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| pp_ | err | 04:19 |
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| pp_ | "Your contributors reached out to us, because they are concerned about your lack of Updates and communication on your Indiegogo campaign page." | 04:19 |
| pp_ | I wonder what campaign :P | 04:21 |
| Stskeeps | where's that from? | 05:06 |
| Aciid | Oops, we’re sorry! Earlier today, we sent you an email that may not be relevant to you. | 05:13 |
| Aciid | This email was intended to remind a few campaign owners to post updates to keep their communities updated on their project. That said, of course you can use the tips and suggestions from that email, when updating your own backers! | 05:13 |
| Aciid | indiegogo sent an email to every one of their users | 05:13 |
| Aciid | accidentally | 05:13 |
| Stskeeps | okay then | 05:14 |
| kimmoli | not everyone | 05:14 |
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| chriadam | mal-: Nokius: any chance you could test https://github.com/mer-hybris/geoclue-providers-mlsdb/pull/4 please? (for germany etc you'll have to regenerate the mlsdb.data file, sorry) | 05:59 |
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| the_mgt | I didn't get that email neither, Aciid. even though I have two accounts (for reasons I do not understand myself) | 06:18 |
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| henk | I didn’t get that mail either, but that’s probably because indiegogo’s order/confirmation mail system is broken and can’t handle my mail address … | 06:58 |
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| Stskeeps | morning rigo | 08:01 |
| rigo | morning Stskeeps | 08:02 |
| Stskeeps | how's it going? | 08:02 |
| rigo | busy, terribly busy | 08:02 |
| Stskeeps | ah, i know the feeling.. i was away from work for 14 days after my daughter was born and now it's back in the rat race | 08:02 |
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| rigo | oh, congrats!! I hope you still get "some" sleep | 08:03 |
| Smar | need to come to workplace to sleep? ;) | 08:03 |
| rigo | Smar: best place to sleep anyway :) | 08:04 |
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| Smar | sadly we have no bed in office, so it’s not that nice :( | 08:04 |
| Stskeeps | Smar: i work from home.. :P | 08:04 |
| Smar | ahaha ^^; | 08:05 |
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| pp_ | heh, I've tried to work with a toddler in the same building \:D/ | 08:20 |
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| the_mgt | Stskeeps: congrats! here, have a little motivation: http://theoatmeal.com/pl/minor_differences4/kids | 09:18 |
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| Aciid | Stskeeps: can you unban narchie pls sempai ;_;;; | 13:49 |
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| Smar | Aciid’s in need of Stskeeps’s babysitting too? ^^; | 13:50 |
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| Aciid | exceuse me ;_;; | 13:50 |
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| cehteh | grumble .. btrfs | 15:22 |
| mornfall | you don't say :D | 15:22 |
| cehteh | sd card died | 15:22 |
| cehteh | next time f2fs | 15:23 |
| mornfall | to be fair, sd cards aren't very good at writing, regardless of the filesystem | 15:24 |
| cehteh | what do you mean by "not good" | 15:25 |
| cehteh | i havent written that much .. and on every other device/filesystem i have no problem | 15:25 |
| cehteh | in my laptop is a permanent sd card which takes daily backups by cron, first ext4 now f2fs .. that card works since years | 15:25 |
| mornfall | and you can still read all of that sdcard without errors? | 15:26 |
| kjetilho | lots of SD cards are designed to handle around a dozen overwrites | 15:26 |
| mornfall | sounds like a lucky item | 15:26 |
| kjetilho | or just old -- they made them better back then | 15:27 |
| cehteh | yes its a bit older and prolly not *that* much overrwritten | 15:27 |
| mornfall | not really better | 15:27 |
| cehteh | the one on the jolla had at most twice its capacity written | 15:27 |
| mornfall | this is a bit like digital camera sensors :) | 15:27 |
| mornfall | cehteh: sdcards do no leveling of their own | 15:27 |
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| cehteh | iirc they do, but not that elaborate than SSD's | 15:28 |
| mornfall | so you could just kill a couple blocks that tend to hold key filesystem structures | 15:28 |
| cehteh | anyway i never really understood the reason for leveling .. | 15:28 |
| cehteh | just write a damn block until it explodes (do write verification) .. and if its rotten away, then replace it | 15:29 |
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| cehteh | anyway f2fs was designed exactly around sd-cards and other not so stellar flash devices | 15:29 |
| mornfall | cehteh: write verification cuts write performance substantially, and the failure is not clear cut | 15:31 |
| mornfall | cehteh: you would have to verify repeatedly | 15:31 |
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| cehteh | they certainly have some error correction codes or? | 15:31 |
| mornfall | but apparently most SD cards do some leveling (not all) | 15:31 |
| mornfall | sure, but that doesn't change anything | 15:32 |
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| mornfall | also, without leveling, you will see capacity dropping over time | 15:32 |
| mornfall | most filesystems will be very unhappy about that | 15:32 |
| cehteh | they should have spares for that | 15:32 |
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| mornfall | they do | 15:33 |
| mornfall | at least in real SSDs | 15:33 |
| cehteh | anyway .. i really bet its btrfs fault, will examine the card tomorrow and reformat | 15:33 |
| cehteh | dmesg says nothing, but filesystem is readonly | 15:34 |
| cehteh | oh actually now there is something in dmesg | 15:34 |
| mornfall | it still means that without leveling, your free space will eventually start shrinking, very likely much sooner than a leveled drive would start showing any wear | 15:34 |
| mornfall | and when it does, you need to reformat unless your filesystem is magical | 15:35 |
| mornfall | all in all, levelling is a reasonable compromise :) | 15:35 |
| cehteh | yes some filesystem which can handle badblocks (online) and overprovisioning would be nice | 15:35 |
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| cehteh | many can handle badblocks offline .. aka at mkfs time | 15:35 |
| cehteh | esp the old ones :D | 15:36 |
| cehteh | back in times where the MFM disk had hand written stickers/tables with badblocks on them from manufacturing :D | 15:36 |
| mornfall | the other issue with NAND is that clearing a page is *slow* and the leveling algorithm hides that | 15:39 |
| mornfall | all in all, it always comes down to the fact that software vendors are basically incompetent (cf. power manageent) :p | 15:41 |
| mornfall | filesystem-level NAND awareness would improve both durability and performance | 15:42 |
| mornfall | turns out that getting the software to correctly use the vastly simplified 'trim' interface is a drawn-out, many-year effort | 15:43 |
| mornfall | of course rushed, buggy firmware releases are not helping at all | 15:43 |
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| cehteh | btrfsck --subvol-extents /dev/mmcblk1 | 16:32 |
| cehteh | Segmentation fault | 16:32 |
| cehteh | :D | 16:32 |
| Smar | report to upstream :P | 16:35 |
| Smar | though do you have old utilities, ”btrfs check” is preferred now iirc? | 16:35 |
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| cehteh | looks like the sd card is toast | 16:51 |
| cehteh | trying to get refund | 16:52 |
| Tegu | interesting. the sshd on phone has got killed (this appears to happen quite often since I can't connect to it) | 16:53 |
| Tegu | systemctl status sshd.service gives "Active: inactive (dead)". wonder why it dies | 16:53 |
| Tegu | hm, I restarted it with "systemctl restart sshd.service" but it did not accept connection over WLAN until I disabled and re-enabled WLAN.. is there a way to avoid that in case I don't want to restart wifi | 16:55 |
| cehteh | mhm .. i wonder if the android system boots up now, with SD card removed :D | 16:59 |
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| Xray2000 | I have a Nexus 4 with Sailfish on it lasted gamma version, but when i try to add my Facbook account on the account page i get the message something going wrong, how can i fix that ? | 18:04 |
| coderus | Xray2000: its common problem for all sailfish | 18:06 |
| Xray2000 | Ok thanks! | 18:06 |
| Xray2000 | But on my Jolla it works only not on my Nexus | 18:06 |
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| coderus | Xray2000: remove your facebook account on your jolla and try to add it again :) | 18:11 |
| Xray2000 | Thanks! ;) | 18:11 |
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| JollaSailor_Simo | hi guys can someone help me? i put an sd card in my jolla but i can't open it | 21:50 |
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| JollaSailor_Simo | nobody here? | 21:52 |
| the_mgt | nope | 21:57 |
| JollaSailor_Simo | Nice | 21:57 |
| the_mgt | what kind of sdcard? more than 32gb? out of the box? | 21:57 |
| JollaSailor_Simo | 8gb class 4 | 21:58 |
| the_mgt | oh | 21:58 |
| JollaSailor_Simo | out of the box means? | 21:58 |
| the_mgt | which file system? | 21:58 |
| the_mgt | out of the box means "as you bought it from the store" | 21:58 |
| JollaSailor_Simo | oh ok no | 21:58 |
| JollaSailor_Simo | file system is? (i need practice with english terms :D) | 21:59 |
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| JollaSailor_Simo | oooh file system how stupid i am!! it has to be fat32?? | 22:01 |
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| the_mgt | if it was fat32, it would work | 22:02 |
| the_mgt | if it was ext4 or btrfs, probably too | 22:02 |
| JollaSailor_Simo | it is nfts :P | 22:02 |
| JollaSailor_Simo | i will try thanks | 22:02 |
| the_mgt | badum tss | 22:02 |
| the_mgt | reformat as fat32 or some linux fs. or udf might work too | 22:03 |
| the_mgt | have a look at http://together.jolla.com | 22:03 |
| JollaSailor_Simo | which is the best? | 22:03 |
| JollaSailor_Simo | oh nice thabks | 22:03 |
| the_mgt | there is no best. just a "best for a purpose" | 22:03 |
| the_mgt | there are some solutions to get things working that are not directly supported by jolla, like exfat | 22:04 |
| the_mgt | but most of the time, you have to trade in something | 22:04 |
| JollaSailor_Simo | as "external storage" | 22:04 |
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| the_mgt | jolla does not support a "external storage" mode, you can not use it like an usb drive. | 22:05 |
| JollaSailor_Simo | ah... | 22:05 |
| JollaSailor_Simo | sadness... | 22:05 |
| the_mgt | if you have to remove the sdcard often, then the best choice depends on the device you will use | 22:05 |
| the_mgt | there is also a way to use the sd card as external storage, probably described at the together.jollo.com site | 22:06 |
| JollaSailor_Simo | no i mean to have more space for documents or i.e. an app uses iso and i want to store here | 22:06 |
| JollaSailor_Simo | just as expansion | 22:06 |
| JollaSailor_Simo | i will check aldo on togheter | 22:07 |
| the_mgt | but that is a bit unsupported. and might lead to some trouble :D | 22:07 |
| the_mgt | ah. then probably fat32, udf, ext4, flash2fs (or what ever it is called) in that order | 22:07 |
| JollaSailor_Simo | sadness... | 22:07 |
| JollaSailor_Simo | i'm gonna try fat32 because curious thing my pc allowed obly this now | 22:08 |
| JollaSailor_Simo | but when i go into the file manager (i use es explorer ) howvi can find it? | 22:10 |
| the_mgt | the card? in your computer? | 22:10 |
| JollaSailor_Simo | nono in jolla | 22:11 |
| JollaSailor_Simo | because i see that android storage is considered as sd card | 22:12 |
| the_mgt | ah, here it gets complicated | 22:15 |
| the_mgt | the way I use my card is that I want to be able to store and play music from it, I have some addional pdfs and texts stored, but it is pretty much my music library. so it works fine for me | 22:16 |
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| the_mgt | there are probably 1000 other ways to use it, including passing it through to the android vm. I know nothing about that | 22:16 |
| JollaSailor_Simo | ok thanks however i will try to make this thing work | 22:17 |
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| the_mgt | good luck | 22:21 |
| the_mgt | ask again in maybe 12h or so, people are awake according to a more european timezone | 22:22 |
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| JollaSailor_Simo | i'm italian haha | 22:28 |
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| the_mgt | oh, i thought italians on irc would be more dangerous :P | 22:33 |
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| mornfall | the_mgt: why? | 22:36 |
| mornfall | although italians off irc are pretty noisy right now | 22:37 |
| mornfall | and the windows in this place suck | 22:37 |
| the_mgt | that is an old irc prejudice | 22:39 |
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| the_mgt | mornfall: http://postimg.org/image/sq5cfbgn5/ this was rather common knowledge 10 years ago | 22:44 |
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| mornfall | the_mgt: must be from ircnet | 22:46 |
| the_mgt | probably | 22:46 |
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