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Tekk_I'm having some trouble with my account. It seems like you don't actually delete accounts01:48
Tekk_I was unable to log into my account, so I did a delete/recreate01:48
Tekk_But when I try to make a new account, I'm informed that an account with my username and email already exists01:48
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andybranson@pvanhoof sailorgram dev is in the jolla fan club telegram group09:20
coderusbrrr, jolla fan club telegram group, i'm so happy i left from it :D09:21
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andybransonit's fun in there :)09:26
sledgesit is fun:)09:28
Mikaelahow does one join that?09:29
Aciidlc09:29
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andybransonThere's a link on here: http://isupportjolla.com/09:37
coderusMikaela: by mistake09:37
MikaelaI see09:38
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Aciidwhich comes first, bankruptcy or jolla tablet?09:50
Acceneither09:50
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coderusneither09:53
coderusjolla have investors09:53
coderusaccepted jolla tablet cancelling09:53
coderusmore jobs in jolla opening09:53
Aciidmust be those refugee -level workers then. supported by the finnish gov funding09:54
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Aciidcan't see how near bankryptcy a company hires back a senior embedded product team with those salaries xD09:54
MikaelaI was in belief that everything in Finland is "rehabilitate work" which means having unemployment support + seven euros a day with the actual employer paying nothing09:55
Liekeso refugees can't code?09:56
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Aciidemployer pays nothing for trying out if TE-appoints09:56
r0kk3rzwell, maybe not neither, definitely bankruptcy because tablet is finished09:57
Hellehrm, lol, I might be having a net positive on the tablet refund due to exchange rates09:58
r0kk3rzHelle: i lost $50 AUD....09:58
phlixi_oHelle: did you account for the lost interest?10:00
Hellephlixi_o: interest at any bank here (without locking it for 10 years) is 0.6%....10:01
phlixi_oofc you invest on the market and calculate with 10% :D10:01
Helleright, right10:03
Helleyeah, 25 euro up, heh10:04
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mornfallcoderus: only apparently nobody wants those jobs now :P10:32
mornfalljolla just tweeted they are extending the deadlines10:33
Aciidwould you be interested in working for a stock option offer xD10:33
Aciidavg monthly salary 6000€, but here are these wonderful stocks we have to offer10:34
Aciidand this shiny tablet to blow coke from10:34
mornfallhaha sure :) I can work for free for a number of startups right here, no need to move to Finland :)10:34
Aciidstop trying to be positive god damn it10:35
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thegamerI just bought a jolla and I'd like to know if it is possible to install a vanilla sailfishOS13:56
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thegamerwithout jolla market, accounts etc...13:56
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r0kk3rzthegamer: the out-of-box jolla as as vanilla as it gets13:58
r0kk3rz*is13:58
chem|stthegamer: you can skip everything on first boot13:58
chem|stthegamer: but without jolla-account you wont get system-upgrades ever13:59
r0kk3rzat least it should have been upgraded to something newish rather than something years old13:59
chem|str0kk3rz: I think shipping is now with 2.0.014:00
chem|stor 1.914:00
r0kk3rzyeah14:00
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chem|stquestion is who but people who stole a phone wants to use it without jolla-account?!14:01
thegamerme14:02
LarstiQchem|st: might not want any more accounts14:02
thegamerso the point is that I'll need to manually upgrade from release to realease and I'll not be able to use the jolla market right?14:03
r0kk3rzthegamer: there is no manually14:03
r0kk3rzthere is the store, or no updates14:03
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thegamerr0kk3rz: what do you mean? I can't flash the OS manually?14:04
coderusthegamer: send device to jolla care repair and receive new with latest os version14:04
fennekkiwell I suppose you COULD flash the OS manually if you could somehow acquire an image14:05
locusfand also know how its done14:06
thegamercoderus: wow this is really coherent with the "WE ARE UNLIKE" motto!14:06
fennekkibut, like, maybe you could just build Nemo/Mer for your device if you're into not having the specific features SFOS provides14:06
coderusyou can just setup fake jolla account on fake email without your real name and use it14:06
fennekkiie. the ones you seem to want to get rid of14:06
thegamercoderus: you are not getting the point: I don't want to accept a licence...14:07
coderus:D14:07
locusfyou can just receive a text message and it goes away14:07
thegamerthanks fennekki can you point me to some documentation?14:07
locusfwhen tapping on the notification14:07
fennekkithegamer: I wouldn't be surprised if there was no documentation14:07
fennekkiI can't exactly remember the terms of the Jolla license but ykno you're probably agreeing to similar ones on a daily basis14:08
* coderus added new kind of paranoia peoples in own list14:08
locusfhttps://locusf.wordpress.com/2014/12/11/nemo-mobile-distribution-installation-on-a-jolla-device/14:08
fennekkicoderus: I'm pretty sure this is not even rms level yet14:08
thegamerso this is the FLOSS answer to smartphone problem and you are not able to build and flash the OS on your own?14:08
r0kk3rzthegamer: the best case for you is to remove jolla account after update14:08
kimmolicoderus: :P14:08
locusfits principle, not paranoia14:08
r0kk3rzthegamer: sailfishos isnt completely free14:08
coderusjust wait a year and it will be free and opensource or will not exist anymore14:09
thegamerignore coderus14:09
thegamerr0kk3rz: yes I know14:10
thegamerbut I'm trying to undestarnd if it's a good basis to get something mobile as much free as possible14:10
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r0kk3rzthegamer: yes its unfortunate for those who want to remain accountless, but these are the facts on the ground14:10
thegamerI'm using a nexus5 with cyanogenmod at the moment14:10
thegamerand i tought jolla was a step forward14:11
r0kk3rzthegamer: use sfos on the nexus514:11
r0kk3rzthen you dont need an account, you can flash manualy14:11
thegamerso i can flash SFOS on a nexus5 but not on a jolla phone?14:11
locusfnemo is the way to go for maximum fossness14:12
locusfbut it doesn't have even a fraction of the apps14:12
r0kk3rzthegamer: that is correct14:12
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thegamerr0kk3rz: thank you!14:13
thegamerlocusf thank, I don't care about the apps14:13
locusfthegamer: cool, but if you some day do, we welcome all contributions :)14:14
thegamerI'd just like to understand if Jolla+nemo is usable(gps+camera+phone...) or it's a smarter idea to ship it back to amazon14:14
YanielI've been using it as my main phone for a couple of years now14:16
AcceYaniel: with nemo?14:16
Yanielo14:16
Yanieloh14:16
Yanielno14:16
Yanielwith sfos14:16
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r0kk3rzthegamer: you can put nemo on the nexus 5 to play around with, and decide what to do without screwing with the jolla phone14:20
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thegamerthanks r0kk3rz, I'll try that way14:21
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chem|stthegamer: the not-being-able-to-flash is not a Jolla decision, try to make a phone with everything open and available with a pricetag in that area...14:42
chem|stit is the firmwares they must not distribute14:43
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chem|stand what is so bad about the Jolla terms? they just reflect what is the law in most countries, the terms you agreed to with amazon (you ordered from?) are much more of a concern14:46
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thegamerchem|st: what's the difference from distributing the OS14:48
thegamerwith binary blobs of course14:48
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thegamerand let people free to flash the device when the want14:48
thegamerand force people to have the phone binded with this account14:48
thegamerI really don't see the point14:48
Yanielthe thing is that the binary blobs are under proprietary licenses14:49
Yanielwhich presumably only allow distribution along with a device14:50
chem|stthegamer: ehrm you can unlock the phone and do whatever you want14:50
Yaniel(OEM license)14:50
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chem|stqualcom does not permit to distribute blobs iirc14:51
Yanielsomeone might try reverse engineering them!14:52
Yanieland stealing precious ip14:52
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thegamernevermind guys, I wasn't looking for a new fancy interface, I was looking for a more "libre" mobile platform and as far as I understand jolla is not the answer...14:53
r0kk3rzchem|st: jolla decision or not, it affects their product14:53
thegamerI'll ship back the brick14:53
thegamerthank you all for your time14:54
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phlixi_othegamer: you might want to look into open mokko etc14:56
phlixi_oor neo900 (is this still a thing?)14:56
phlixi_omaybe #maemo14:56
r0kk3rzphlixi_o: surely ubuntu touch is the best on offer libre wise these days14:56
phlixi_or0kk3rz: have you tried one of these? i probably would prefer nemo14:57
phlixi_olast time i checked that was pretty pre-alpha^^14:57
phlixi_oand compared to that openrepos is heaven14:58
r0kk3rzphlixi_o: it moves quickly, so unless you've tried it within the last few months i wouldnt judge it too harshly14:58
chem|str0kk3rz: in terms on flashing maybe, ubuntu feels like win10 or android, a shopping-mal in your hand14:58
coderusthegamer: i am already ignoring. i just have list of peoples in groups and kinds of paranoia. you number #14 here :D14:58
phlixi_ocoderus: what number am i?14:58
coderus:P14:59
sledgesif you'll get the answer, it will be #15 :)14:59
chem|stthegamer: the Jolla1 maybe not, SFOS is a good start14:59
r0kk3rzchem|st: yeah the UX aside, it *is* all open source14:59
phlixi_obtw thegamer, coderus is a very presious asset of the sfos comunity, sometimes a bit harsh, but a nice guy :-)14:59
coderussledges: not that easy :D14:59
sledgescoderus: then no answer including a number:))15:00
coderussledges: yeah that was my mistake really15:00
phlixi_oand for the most part afaiu the rest isnt free, but at least oss :D (of the ux, not the radio chips etc)15:01
chem|stthegamer: and really, because of "I need an account to upgrade", or cannot flash it myself? You can make your own image just not upgrade with one15:01
phlixi_oalso i remember coderus distributing images :D15:01
coderusbtw, which repos are really need jolla account to work?15:01
sledgesnow you can install developer mode without jolla account btw15:02
coderusphlixi_o: i have one 1.1.8.17 or so for dding to dead jollas15:02
chem|stcoderus: the ones with the closed blobs stuff15:02
coderuschem|st: so you cant just ssu re 2.0.1.x and version-dup without jolla account also?15:03
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chem|stcoderus: never tried...15:04
coderusme neither15:04
chem|stbut jolla-store was locked down iirc15:04
chem|stsledges: so what is locked down now?15:04
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TMavicaanyone when using android apps, it hanged and reboot itself?16:52
TMavicasometimes16:52
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Hellewhen you are randomly looking up stuff and discover that Fairphone vacated their current offices due to the space popping up to rent17:00
StskeepsHelle: where are they now? their offices i visited were awesome, near the sea17:01
HelleStskeeps: no idea, might be something up with the rental company, they still have their official address there17:03
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Helleah, looks like the numbers for the building don't match up with the split up spaces accurately17:05
Hellebut yeah, that location is nice (and expensive)17:06
Helle(haven't been to their offices, but I have been to events of theirs near it)17:07
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sledgeschem|st: i don't think updates need auth: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris/Install_SailfishOS_for_mako#WIP_Over-the-Air_updates_.28OTA.2917:18
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chem|stsledges: only the proprietary things then?18:02
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sledgeschem|st: could be just the store (with proprietaries inclusive)18:02
chem|stsledges: got a device to test?18:03
chem|stmine are all up to date18:03
sledgeschem|st: ask on porters chan:)18:03
sledgesbit busy now myself18:03
chem|st:D18:03
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Tekk_sledges: is there somewhere to report a bug with jolla accounts when you don't have an account?18:25
sledgesTekk_: chicken and egg?:)18:26
Tekk_sledges: precisely :)18:26
sledgesyou can create an account online18:26
sledges:P18:26
Tekk_My account was messed up, so I tried to recreate my account18:26
Tekk_So I deleted my account18:26
Tekk_But in going back to create a new account, I'm told that my username and password are already in the db18:26
sledgeswhich is ensured to work more than often:)18:26
Tekk_So I'm guessing you guys don't quite delete accounts right18:26
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Tekk_(tried both from the phone and on the web)18:27
sledgesTekk_: how do you delete an account?18:27
Tekk_accounts.jolla.com, delete account18:27
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Tekk_err, account.jolla.com18:28
sledgesTekk_: well there are many ways to contact us ;) one of those is here, otherwise mention @jollahq twitter, best is to write to care18:28
sledgesTekk_: removing past account data brings problem of impersonations18:29
sledges*username18:29
Tekk_Yeah, but I think it'd be safe to make sure that things match though18:29
Tekk_if the username matches with the email that was registered before, then allow recreation18:29
sledgestechnical debt then i guess - not occurred often enough to get prioritised18:30
sledgessorry mate :/18:30
Tekk_You're good. I'll just throw in a support request. I'm sure this isn't a common issue18:30
Tekk_Actually I thik my flash here is messed up anyway18:31
Tekk_I have no ambiences for some reason as well18:31
sledgeswoops18:37
Tekk_Mhm18:37
Tekk_So another reinstall cycle once I get home18:37
* Tekk_ tests sfdroid, so stuff tends to be a bit more unstable than usual :)18:38
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sledgesaha! ;)18:41
sledgesso not jolla phone then:)18:41
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kimmoliTekk_: what device? if you dont see any ambience, it might be chown issue18:46
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Tekk_Yeah. I'm american, so a Jolla proper wasn't really an option18:49
Tekk_Sadly18:49
Tekk_But the Jolla account is nice since I do plan on developing some stuff, access to harbour and such18:49
Tekk_kimmoli: nexus 5. I don't think it's a chown issue since I just fixed that when migrating my ~18:49
Tekk_Unless ambiances aren't supposed to be nemo:nemo18:49
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kimmolithe sqlite db is under ~/.local/share/system/privileged/Ambienced/ which is nemo_privileged18:51
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Tekk_I'll glance at it in ssh when I have a chance18:51
Tekk_Thanks for the pointer there18:51
kimmoliyeah, i had issues with that, and was fixed making path groups correct18:52
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Tekk_Huh18:56
Tekk_Yeah, that was weird18:58
Tekk_~/.local/share/system/privileged somehow was u-rwx18:58
Tekk_Thanks for the pointer there kimmoli18:58
Tekk_So then my only problem is my jolla account issue I thik18:59
Tekk_think*18:59
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kimmoliwas store and stuff enabled for hammerhead?19:02
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sledgeskimmoli: yes19:27
Tekk_Ugh19:31
Tekk_And what do you want to bet my phone's account problems were because of that chmod issue? :/19:31
kimmolia penny?19:31
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r0kk3rzi wonder what a 4" high dpi screen would be like for a phone20:57
r0kk3rzim noticing since ive got a 4k screen at work, i can handle much smaller text than usual due to extra dpi20:58
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Yanielit would be awesome21:01
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r0kk3rzoh boring, the new iphone display is the same as the old one21:08
r0kk3rzi was thinking more along the lines of the 500dpi display that i think LG had21:08
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phlixir0kk3rz i have a iphone 5 as testing device, thats imho perfect size, and superb screen (well, i prefer n9 style billboard over highres^^)21:39
phlixii dont think 500dpi makes any sense21:39
phlixionce they sell icloud server for private cloud, im sold ^^21:40
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