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| Mikaela | why facebook notifications open in aliendalvikized Facebook Android app, but Twitter notifications open in web browser? I don't remember changing anything | 07:30 |
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| trigpoint | which android is sailfish 2.0.17 equivalent of? | 08:42 |
| trigpoint | 2.0.1.7 even | 08:43 |
| r0kk3rz | trigpoint: depends on the device | 08:43 |
| trigpoint | its a jolla phone | 08:43 |
| Hartzi | 4.1.X | 08:43 |
| trigpoint | thank you | 08:43 |
| locusf | dalvik is 4.2.x, base adaptation is 4.1.x | 08:44 |
| Bysmyyr | second hit from google: https://together.jolla.com/question/107009/android-version-in-sailfish-2/ | 08:45 |
| Hartzi | google is too easy..! | 08:47 |
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| Tegu | yea, irc should be closed or replaced with a bot that googles the question and returns a link to the results (or the first result) | 09:06 |
| Jope | all facebook groups too | 09:06 |
| Jope | and most forums | 09:06 |
| Tegu | with "which android is sailfish 2.0.17 equivalent of?" only the third result gave information. (for me, that is. you never know how google shuffles the results based on usage) | 09:08 |
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| Bysmyyr | be simple, my google was: sailfish android version | 09:19 |
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| r0kk3rz | Bysmyyr: the key piece of knowledge is that there is no correlation between sfos version and dalvik version | 09:23 |
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| pp_ | tablets are 4.4, I believe :P | 10:06 |
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| Helle | *sigh* Thanks Qt for dropping Qt WebKit support and replacing it by the much worse Qt WebEngine (why worse, it has far reduced functionality and adds licensing hassle, it performs better and is less work to maintain, but those aren't the trade offs everyone wants....) | 10:17 |
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| Bysmyyr | Helle: There is good reason. Keeping web engine is very very big job. I have done that one year and I think that is good decision because there is a low of security prblems | 10:21 |
| Bysmyyr | keeping web engine up to date I mean | 10:21 |
| Tofe | Bysmyyr: you mean keeping webkit | 10:22 |
| Bysmyyr | just keeping webkit integrated with anything, less functionality, less work | 10:23 |
| Bysmyyr | I was keeping up crosswalk with is based on blink and that was big job | 10:23 |
| Helle | Bysmyyr: yes, I get that, now do you get my problems ? I can't even replace WebKit with WebEngine because of less exposed functionality (I know WHY it exposes less functionality, doesn't help me if I need it) and I know of multiple companies that license Qt that are now going "Welp, time to maintain WebKit ourselves, because it's cheaper then complying to the new license" | 10:37 |
| Tofe | Helle: it gets better with 5.6 | 10:38 |
| Tofe | But 5.5 is still frustrating | 10:38 |
| tbr | if 5.6 ever reaches sailfish... where is most of qt on it at the moment? 5.2? | 10:43 |
| Tofe | tbr: yep | 10:43 |
| tbr | 'lol' | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | 5.3 hybrid 5.2 | 10:43 |
| Tofe | 5.2-and-a-half :) | 10:44 |
| tbr | that's why I said 'most' | 10:44 |
| Tofe | At least, that solves the question of webengine on SFOS ;) | 10:45 |
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| henk | hi, my display is stuck as explained in https://together.jolla.com/question/107624/touchscreen-stops-responding/. It also keeps lighting up after going dark. anyone know a solution apart from the "windows solution": reboot? | 12:42 |
| henk | ha, never mind, fixed itself after about 15 rounds of the display going on and off … | 12:42 |
| tbr | sounds like a homescreen crash | 12:43 |
| tbr | you might want to check resource usage in general | 12:43 |
| tbr | there might be something running wild in the background, e.g. some android service | 12:43 |
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| henk | tbr: How? jolla app or via SSH and top? I do not use android stuff, AFAIK at least. | 12:49 |
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| tbr | yeah, e.g. top | 12:51 |
| tbr | or powertop | 12:51 |
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| r0kk3rz | homescreen crash is shown by flashing green led though | 12:53 |
| r0kk3rz | its been some time since i got the touchscreen problem though, it just kinda went away | 12:53 |
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| Yaniel | anyone familiar with syncthing? | 14:11 |
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| r0kk3rz | Yaniel: familiar enough, whats up? | 14:17 |
| Yaniel | does it work on jphone? | 14:18 |
| Yaniel | I'm considering replacing my current rather manual rsync setup | 14:18 |
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| r0kk3rz | yes | 14:18 |
| Yaniel | neat | 14:18 |
| r0kk3rz | you can either just run the arm binary from the syncthing site | 14:19 |
| r0kk3rz | or someone has made a UI for it on openrepos | 14:19 |
| Yaniel | awesome | 14:19 |
| Yaniel | arch also seems to have all the necessary bits in the official repos | 14:19 |
| Yaniel | (needing 2h to resync my music library after minor tag fixes is more than a bit annoying) | 14:21 |
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| r0kk3rz | syncthing isnt particularly fast either | 14:26 |
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| Yaniel | is it reasonably fast at least? | 14:30 |
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| Yaniel | 2h is is annoying because I'm fairly sure I could re-scp the entire dir in less time | 14:30 |
| r0kk3rz | its definitely slower than direct copy | 14:31 |
| r0kk3rz | but it will do it on a file level i guess | 14:32 |
| Yaniel | or are there better solutions? | 14:34 |
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| EyeA | )0!1@ | 14:35 |
| EyeA | Jolla | 14:35 |
| EyeA | )0h | 14:35 |
| r0kk3rz | Yaniel: its easy enough to set up so give it a go and see what you think | 14:35 |
| Yaniel | fair enough | 14:35 |
| r0kk3rz | no idea on better solutions | 14:35 |
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| Yaniel | mmyeah syncthing is taking its time as well | 16:48 |
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| Yaniel | then again I have ~30GB to sync atm | 16:51 |
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| Yaniel | and it at least claims to sync at 2MiB/s on average si I'd say it's still reasonable | 16:52 |
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| henk | https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/216666648 doesn’t work in my case, what should I do? | 17:02 |
| henk | ask here? contact jolla? contact indiegogo? comment on that article? | 17:02 |
| Yaniel | what part? | 17:02 |
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| r0kk3rz | henk: contact jolla | 17:03 |
| henk | step 1 fails because I have no email like that. step 2 fails because I do not have an account at indiegogo. | 17:03 |
| Yaniel | did you buy the tablet from the webstore? | 17:04 |
| henk | (step 3 fails because I don’t paypal to have my money, but since I want it back, I’ll have to accept that) | 17:04 |
| henk | Yaniel: no, tablet+phone perk on indiegogo | 17:05 |
| henk | s/paypal/want paypal/ | 17:05 |
| Yaniel | without an email? | 17:05 |
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| Yaniel | or is said email account gone now | 17:06 |
| henk | Yaniel: yes, I never received it, contacted indiegogo, they wanted to resend it, I still didn’t receive it and failed to follow up on that | 17:06 |
| henk | no, still works, i received the refund mails on it | 17:06 |
| Yaniel | if you still have access to whatever email account you used when backing you can sign up on indiegogo | 17:07 |
| Yaniel | they keep the backing events associated to that email address even if it's not registered | 17:07 |
| henk | Yaniel: hm, I’m not quite sure how registering would help? | 17:08 |
| Yaniel | you get a listing of your contributions then? | 17:09 |
| Yaniel | I had to check that way because I didn't have a contribution id in the confirmation mail | 17:09 |
| henk | sooo, assuming I did _not_ have access to this email address anymore but someone else did: he could just register with this email address and see all contributions and possible other data associated with that email address? | 17:12 |
| Yaniel | probably yes | 17:13 |
| Yaniel | same as everywhere you sign up with an email address | 17:14 |
| Yaniel | if someone else gets access to the email, they can just request a password reset and basically own the account | 17:14 |
| henk | hm, true | 17:17 |
| henk | probably | 17:17 |
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| henk | hrhr, ok, you made it sound ok, but practice is always a little worse | 17:18 |
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| henk | I filled out the signup form and was "loggedin" without even having to verify that I control the email address … but, »Don't worry, this tab and all its content is only visible to you.« because » We need to verify your account before displaying full order details. « … ok, full order details? I see my Shipping Address, the product, the amount of money, that I was too stupid to add shipping on the | 17:23 |
| henk | first attempt, the visibility of my donation, … hey, at least not my credit card … | 17:23 |
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| Yaniel | very special tab, only for you my friend | 17:28 |
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| Yaniel | r0kk3rz: and I'd say the UX is much better than rsync | 17:49 |
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| the_mgt | Yaniel: do you sync your tablet or your sdcard? | 17:59 |
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| the_mgt | I'd rather remove a sdcard and sync on a "real" computer | 17:59 |
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| Yaniel | sdcard | 18:02 |
| Yaniel | might be the Right Thing | 18:02 |
| Yaniel | but I'd have to do a recursive chown on the entire card before and after syncing | 18:03 |
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| Yaniel | and I'm lazy :P | 18:04 |
| the_mgt | why? just create a user with identical uid on your computer? | 18:05 |
| * the_mgt does not understand the need for chown | 18:06 | |
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| Yaniel | I suppose I could do that too | 18:07 |
| the_mgt | it also should be possible to mount it with a certain uid | 18:08 |
| * the_mgt shrugs | 18:08 | |
| Yaniel | hmm right | 18:09 |
| Yaniel | gotta try that sometime | 18:09 |
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| Yaniel | actually I'll add my laptop to the syncthing mesh while I'm at it as well | 18:14 |
| Yaniel | but thanks for the tip about mount -o uid | 18:14 |
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| r0kk3rz | depends on whether you want it to just work magically in the background i guess | 18:27 |
| r0kk3rz | since that is syncthings main usecase | 18:27 |
| Yaniel | yeah | 18:27 |
| svuorela | hmm... what does a pledge id look like ? | 18:34 |
| coderus | svuorela: last numbers in your order link | 18:34 |
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| svuorela | thanks | 18:41 |
| henk | oh, I just noticed: I see the pledge ID even though I still haven’t verified that the email address is mine … | 18:42 |
| henk | let’s see how far that gets me (: | 18:42 |
| Tegu | haha, going to crack it? | 18:45 |
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| henk | Tegu: me? no, it’s just that Everything Is Broken and I have to make do … | 18:52 |
| the_mgt | Yaniel: can you imagine that people outside the linux world do not have these problems with sd cards? impossible, no? | 18:53 |
| Lieke | bsd? | 18:54 |
| the_mgt | Yaniel: with regards to uid, I mean. the simply insert a usb stick or an sdcard and are able to read/write. | 18:54 |
| the_mgt | Lieke: when I was young, we called it lsd ;) | 18:54 |
| Lieke | heh | 18:54 |
| henk | hrhr, nice, it went through (: | 18:54 |
| henk | anyone knowing the email address I ordered with could have done it, though … that’s kinda worrying IMHO. | 18:55 |
| the_mgt | because we all know your email adress which you then neglected? | 18:56 |
| LarstiQ | henk: does that also work if you actually have an account? | 18:56 |
| henk | the_mgt: neglected in how far? | 18:57 |
| henk | LarstiQ: No, only if one has not had an indiegogo account. | 18:58 |
| LarstiQ | wonder how common that is | 18:58 |
| the_mgt | you probably had the account all the time. and it seems to me that you did a login with once. | 18:58 |
| the_mgt | you just didn't care about confirmation email | 18:59 |
| henk | the_mgt: Maybe I had an internal account but I never had a password to the site. I made the contribution as a guest and, at the time, was happy that was possible. | 18:59 |
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| henk | LarstiQ: Me too … In this specific case regarding the jolla refunds, it’s probably just a handful of people which are affected. But the problem is with the design of indiegogo’s account management in general. IMHO they shouldn’t show any details associated with an email address until it’s verified that the account’s creator actually controls the mail address. | 19:02 |
| Yaniel | the_mgt: well I could have formatted the card as FAT but then it'd have other limitations | 19:04 |
| the_mgt | henk: ah, ok. | 19:04 |
| Yaniel | oh right, exfat isn't supported | 19:04 |
| Yaniel | so I'd be limited to fat32 | 19:04 |
| the_mgt | there is exfat-nofuse | 19:04 |
| the_mgt | probably udf | 19:04 |
| the_mgt | someone, somewhere, doesnt support something :) | 19:05 |
| mornfall | format the card as ext4 | 19:10 |
| Yaniel | it is ext4 | 19:11 |
| mornfall | what was the problem again? :-) | 19:11 |
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| r0kk3rz | mornfall: syncing folders on an sdcard | 19:32 |
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| HtheB | is it possible to change the language of the date guys? | 19:44 |
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| HtheB | Once I've set the locale to tr.utf8, its somehow showing the date in Turkish language, even if the language is not available inside the options | 19:45 |
| HtheB | but the system language will be English | 19:45 |
| HtheB | I would like to have the system language different, while the date in Turkish | 19:45 |
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| mornfall | sorry fell off the network | 19:51 |
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| mornfall | the best way to go about those things is keep uid's sync'd across your unix boxes, I guess | 19:53 |
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| Yaniel | yeah and jolla is totally helping with that | 20:00 |
| Yaniel | anyway apparently mount supports setting the uid as an option | 20:00 |
| Yaniel | so that (hopefully) takes care of that | 20:00 |
| Nicd- | HtheB: you can edit the locale from the command line, it might work | 20:03 |
| Nicd- | don't know of an UI option | 20:03 |
| HtheB | Nicd-: cli is ok | 20:04 |
| HtheB | but I couldn't find which file it is | 20:04 |
| HtheB | I only find a way to change the locale of Android language | 20:04 |
| Nicd- | googling "jolla locale": http://www.jollatides.com/2013/12/16/how-to-tweak-jolla-system-locale/ | 20:07 |
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| HtheB | Thanks! | 20:08 |
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| HtheB | no onto some other stuff: | 20:08 |
| HtheB | Some android apps cannot detect the internet connection :( | 20:08 |
| HtheB | like TomTom | 20:08 |
| the_mgt | some native app either | 20:09 |
| the_mgt | web pirate sometimes claims that there is no network, while I have 3g and wifi | 20:09 |
| HtheB | the_mgt: that is "sometimes" | 20:10 |
| HtheB | but the android apps NEVER | 20:10 |
| the_mgt | that's odd | 20:10 |
| HtheB | neh, it's been reported years ago | 20:10 |
| HtheB | they still did not fixed it :( | 20:11 |
| HtheB | you can try out TomTom | 20:12 |
| HtheB | Kik | 20:12 |
| HtheB | they both have this problem | 20:12 |
| Yaniel | yup, syncthing handles small changes very nicely | 20:24 |
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