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| tbr | "#Jolla is recruiting for new engineer power! Check out our open positions and joint the boat: https://t.co/2D2XkGqwrf <jolla.com/jobs/>" → join the sinking ship now, the orchestra is still playing! | 09:53 |
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| phlixi_o | lol | 09:54 |
| Stskeeps | did it say 'joint' the boat? | 09:54 |
| tbr | also do they offer complimentary drugs? is that legal in finland? "Joint the boat" | 09:54 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: yes, it most certainly did | 09:54 |
| Stskeeps | ahem | 09:54 |
| ggabriel | maybe it means put joints in the boat | 09:55 |
| TheBootroo|work | i could be the guy for Qt/QML engineer | 09:55 |
| ggabriel | funny how people read the noun equivalent of join and think about drugs :P | 09:55 |
| tbr | ah, you get to hammer steel joints, slave labor | 09:55 |
| phlixi_o | will the burning joints lead to a burning platform? | 09:55 |
| TheBootroo|work | but i can't move to tampere for now | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: yeah, that was what i read it as initially | 09:55 |
| ggabriel | tbr: why not wooden? | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | but the drug comparison is funny | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:55 |
| ggabriel | jokes aside, go jolla :P | 09:56 |
| ggabriel | otherwise there's ios and android :( | 09:56 |
| tbr | ggabriel: I wouldn't expect them to have been thrown *that* far back | 09:56 |
| * Stskeeps hides the cocaine stash | 09:57 | |
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| ggabriel | things have slowed down, certainly | 09:57 |
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| r0kk3rz | i guess its a good thing to be recruiting after a big loss of employees | 10:04 |
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| Stskeeps | fresh blood always good | 10:05 |
| r0kk3rz | also means they expect to have funds for FTEs | 10:08 |
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| pp_ | yup, and furloughs must have ended (can't hire otherwise unless existing people are unqualified) | 10:10 |
| r0kk3rz | i wonder what that means for the debt restructuring actually | 10:10 |
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| temmi_hoo | jolla is hiring? | 10:27 |
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| ggabriel | maybe the debt doesn't need restructuring any more? or they have to keep to their new deadlines? | 10:29 |
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| kimmoli | no dota2 required? | 10:55 |
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| tadzik | Vi sitter här I venten... | 11:46 |
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| chem|st | kimmoli: I guess dota2 helps a lot! | 12:41 |
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| Acce | ggabriel: I heard they already took back the whole restructuring request | 12:45 |
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| Acce | well, it was just someone quoting something in IRC though | 12:47 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah i expect thats done | 12:53 |
| r0kk3rz | otherwise they probably wouldnt be shipping tablets, doing refunds, or employing new staff if they still had creditors to deal with | 12:53 |
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| mornfall | ggabriel: there's ios and android... and windows, ubuntu and tizen | 15:31 |
| mornfall | (out of which, both windows and tizen install base is vastly bigger than sfos) | 15:32 |
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| mornfall | hell, probably even ubuntu has more installations | 15:34 |
| mornfall | if aquafish sells like hot cookies, that could change, ofc | 15:34 |
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| the_mgt | today, my pebble told me to download an app, install and connect to pebble :( | 15:47 |
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| the_mgt | if that would upgrade to the latest firmware, I guess smokus pebble wont do it anymore, right? | 15:47 |
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| the_mgt | ah, found this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1500612#post1500612 | 15:51 |
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| Venemo_j | hey | 20:35 |
| Venemo_j | does the jolla support these headphones that have a mic? | 20:36 |
| SQUelcher | Venemo_j: it does | 20:38 |
| Venemo_j | thanks! | 20:38 |
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| Venemo_j | but it's a different pinout than what nokia used, right? | 20:55 |
| phlixi | yes and no | 20:56 |
| phlixi | its different from n9/00 | 20:56 |
| phlixi | other nokias used the other standard | 20:56 |
| phlixi | Venemo_j: https://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/413034919422857216 | 20:58 |
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| Venemo_j | omg... | 20:58 |
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| Venemo_j | so nokia was incompatible with itself? | 20:58 |
| phlixi | with the rest of the world (after the introduction of the iphone) | 20:58 |
| Venemo_j | I see | 20:59 |
| Venemo_j | well anyway, bought my cool new headphones and they work | 20:59 |
| phlixi | until iphone everybody used OMTP, then iphone introduced the other thingy AHJ, and everybody switched | 20:59 |
| Venemo_j | lol | 21:00 |
| phlixi | both have pro and cons | 21:00 |
| phlixi | the old one (OMTP) had an additional contact for the mic, that means you could use a different "normal" headphone without a mic in the same device | 21:01 |
| phlixi | but you could not use the headphone in lets say a walkman | 21:01 |
| Venemo_j | mhm | 21:01 |
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| phlixi | ...but with ahj you can use the headset with mic in a device lets say a walkman | 21:01 |
| M4rtinK | for the record | 21:01 |
| phlixi | its the other way araound | 21:02 |
| M4rtinK | I have the Sony STH30 headset/ | 21:02 |
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| phlixi | at least thats how i understand the reson for the two standards | 21:02 |
| M4rtinK | and it works fine with the Jolla | 21:02 |
| M4rtinK | and IIRC indeed does not really work with the N900 | 21:02 |
| phlixi | M4rtinK that is totaly complaint to what i wrote above | 21:02 |
| Venemo_j | mhm | 21:03 |
| M4rtinK | phlixi: yeah, just adding a data point :) | 21:03 |
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| Venemo_j | so if I get AHJ, it will work with devices that don't support the mic? | 21:03 |
| Venemo_j | but not OMTP? | 21:04 |
| phlixi | headsets that work with the jolla (or the iphone or everything else that can have a mic today) also work in devices that do not support a mic (3 connectors) but do not work with the n900/n9 and old devices that support a headset with mic | 21:04 |
| Venemo_j | I see | 21:04 |
| Venemo_j | allrighty :) | 21:04 |
| Venemo_j | M4rtinK: I bought a Sony too | 21:05 |
| Venemo_j | now enjoying da music!! | 21:05 |
| Venemo_j | :P | 21:05 |
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| phlixi | and then there are some lumias (dont know about others), that do some sensing and claim to support both (or better: all three) standards. i only read about that and have no idea if this actually works | 21:07 |
| phlixi | ...omtp, ahj and "old school headphones with no mic" | 21:08 |
| phlixi | end of the story, its hard to find a headset with mic for n9/n900 today | 21:09 |
| Venemo_j | it was already hard back then | 21:10 |
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| phlixi | and usually if you ask the guy who wants to sell you crap, even has no idea that there might be different connectors at all.... since they look the same | 21:10 |
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| M4rtinK | btw, looks like Think Pad T520 also supports AHJ :) | 21:11 |
| phlixi | no, when n900 was new, iphone wasnt that important and everything that worked with it had an "designed for apple" or "works with apple" or similar sticker, | 21:11 |
| M4rtinK | as it seems to register the microphone :) | 21:11 |
| phlixi | i have no idea what laptops use in general.... laptops suck^^ | 21:11 |
| HtheB | ahh good old days when N900 vs iPhone | 21:11 |
| M4rtinK | phlixi: one has to code on something :) | 21:12 |
| HtheB | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRil6iP4GXw | 21:12 |
| M4rtinK | phlixi: and at least ThinkPads generally suck less than other laptops :) | 21:12 |
| phlixi | M4rtinK: yeah, but i never have situations where i think "wow, would be nice to have a laptop now" (instead of a desktop) | 21:12 |
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| phlixi | and situations where i can not have a desktop are usually situations where i do not want to code anyway :D | 21:13 |
| Venemo_j | hehh | 21:13 |
| phlixi | its more like "everytime i use a laptop, i wish i had a desktop | 21:13 |
| Venemo_j | we are a bit diffeent | 21:13 |
| phlixi | ...and i have two thinkpoads :D | 21:13 |
| M4rtinK | well I lug it to conferences for example :) | 21:13 |
| M4rtinK | or meetings | 21:13 |
| phlixi | meetings suck | 21:14 |
| Venemo_j | first time I had a laptop I decided never to have a desktop again | 21:14 |
| M4rtinK | I actually use two laptops | 21:14 |
| M4rtinK | a personal T520 | 21:14 |
| phlixi | ...for this conversation a dock with real keyboard and monitor counts as a desktop :D | 21:14 |
| M4rtinK | and a work x230 in a dock with the screens | 21:14 |
| M4rtinK | basically everyone is setup like that at work (laptop, dock & screens) | 21:15 |
| Venemo_j | well, okay, an external monitor is useful, yeah | 21:15 |
| phlixi | i have a i dont know, x130e? and a t something something, maybe t420 t520 whatever :D | 21:15 |
| Venemo_j | I got a UX31A | 21:16 |
| phlixi | ...its a t510^ | 21:16 |
| M4rtinK | and in some cases a DIY open hardware keyboard :) | 21:16 |
| Venemo_j | there still isn't anything on the market that is a worthy replacement | 21:16 |
| phlixi | ^both with pimped ram, ssd and 3g :) | 21:16 |
| M4rtinK | https://twitter.com/hroncok/status/695617843140939776 | 21:16 |
| Venemo_j | cannot imagine myself using that shape | 21:17 |
| phlixi | there still are no laptops that are proper replacement for my workstations :-) | 21:17 |
| Yaniel | I like the concept of the UHK more | 21:19 |
| Yaniel | much more compact | 21:19 |
| phlixi | those laptops suck at everything. no crunching power, crappy screens, tiny keyboards | 21:19 |
| phlixi | and if you try to get that values, its huge beast, and still sucks compared to a desktop | 21:20 |
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| phlixi | whats a UHK Yaniel? | 21:21 |
| Venemo_j | phlixi: which ones? | 21:22 |
| Yaniel | https://ultimatehackingkeyboard.com/ | 21:22 |
| phlixi | Venemo_j which what? | 21:22 |
| phlixi | ah, keyboards :-) | 21:22 |
| phlixi | i use cheap cherry blue ones with standard layout | 21:23 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, non-laptop workstation are certainly better at the cost/performance ration | 21:23 |
| M4rtinK | *ration | 21:23 |
| Venemo_j | phlixi: 'those laptops suck at everything' -> which? | 21:23 |
| M4rtinK | same thing about games | 21:23 |
| phlixi | Venemo_j: all laptops | 21:23 |
| Venemo_j | meh, who has time for games these days | 21:24 |
| phlixi | i do :D | 21:24 |
| Venemo_j | phlixi: not mine | 21:24 |
| M4rtinK | Venemo_j: tell me about that :-P | 21:24 |
| phlixi | Venemo_j: well, then it must be super super expensive | 21:24 |
| M4rtinK | Venemo_j: but at least form my experience having a portable game console (PS Vita in my case) helps to get at least some gaming done :) | 21:25 |
| phlixi | besides that, i doubt that it has nice screen, nice keyboard and power | 21:25 |
| Venemo_j | M4rtinK: when I do have free time, I spend it on better hobbies anyway (than gaming) | 21:25 |
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| Venemo_j | phlixi: fullhd ips screen, backlit keyboard, core i7 | 21:26 |
| phlixi | well, thats all pretty weak compared to a desktop | 21:26 |
| phlixi | i have a 3k and a 1600x1200 monitor | 21:26 |
| phlixi | also pretty sure that i7 is a mobile version | 21:26 |
| M4rtinK | how much RAM ? | 21:27 |
| phlixi | and there are no laptops with a real keyboard | 21:27 |
| M4rtinK | I see 4 GB SO-DIMM | 21:27 |
| M4rtinK | on Amazon | 21:27 |
| M4rtinK | I guess that's just the amount installed ? | 21:27 |
| Venemo_j | well | 21:28 |
| Venemo_j | we could argue all day | 21:28 |
| Venemo_j | I don't wanna | 21:28 |
| Venemo_j | this suits my needs, it might not suit yours | 21:29 |
| * M4rtinK finds that he needs at least 16 GB of RAM to be able to run something else than Firefox :) | 21:30 | |
| phlixi | your firefox rund with less than 16gb ram? | 21:30 |
| phlixi | :D | 21:30 |
| spider-mario | I bought 32 to be sure | 21:31 |
| M4rtinK | it could be because of the ~700 tabs but who knows :) | 21:31 |
| spider-mario | but it turns out that I actually don’t need that much | 21:31 |
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| M4rtinK | shame the auto-unload-tab extension does not work with multiple Firefox windows | 21:31 |
| Venemo_j | :D | 21:31 |
| phlixi | just kill firefox and reopen it, only the visible tabs will be loaded then^^ | 21:32 |
| phlixi | btw, if you want to know how mony tabs you have open https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/tab-counter/ | 21:32 |
| M4rtinK | phlixi: I use quite extensively both :) | 21:34 |
| r0kk3rz | of course theres an addon for that | 21:34 |
| M4rtinK | even 16 GB would not be enough if all the 700 tabs were actually loaded | 21:34 |
| M4rtinK | the problem is that once you use it for some time more tabs will be actually "alive" | 21:35 |
| phlixi | i could try to click the tabs on the left side until firefox crashes :D | 21:35 |
| Tofe | M4rtinK: or, you could use bookmarks. | 21:35 |
| M4rtinK | & even closing tabs doesn't seem to release significant amount of memory | 21:35 |
| M4rtinK | Tofe: sure, to never look at them ;-) | 21:35 |
| Tofe | M4rtinK: don't tell me you look at your 700 tabs every day... | 21:36 |
| phlixi | well, in a perfect world ram is always fully used, because unused ram is wasted ram | 21:36 |
| M4rtinK | phlixi: well, it is - for a filesystem cache | 21:36 |
| M4rtinK | phlixi: at least usually on Linux distros | 21:36 |
| M4rtinK | Tofe: not every day - it's mostly topic oriented groups of tabs | 21:37 |
| M4rtinK | Tofe: related TMO or Wikipedia articles, related pages from some API reference, etc. | 21:38 |
| M4rtinK | Tofe: I'm using tree-style-tab, so I have them in (sub) trees | 21:38 |
| M4rtinK | Tofe: using bookmarks instead would basically mean using a system disconnected from this, which would be kinda impractical | 21:39 |
| phlixi | yep, treestyle tab rocks :-) | 21:39 |
| Tofe | M4rtinK: well, like a tree of bookmarks, that you could load when needed. But anyway, you do what you want with your tabs :) | 21:39 |
| phlixi | its more natural than bookmars, | 21:39 |
| Venemo_j | it is always cool to hear about other people's computing habbits :) | 21:40 |
| M4rtinK | Tofe: that's how I would like it to work basically :) | 21:41 |
| M4rtinK | Tofe: would not mind stuff being unloaded in background (or dumped do disk) and then reloaded once clicked again, as long as it stays on its place in the tree :) | 21:42 |
| phlixi | checked https://ultimatehackingkeyboard.com/ i think i would miss the number block on the right (by the way a feature most laptops also miss, and those which have it never come with a trackpoint) | 21:42 |
| Venemo_j | umm | 21:42 |
| Venemo_j | I never use those right-side numbers :) | 21:43 |
| Venemo_j | don't see the poiny | 21:43 |
| Venemo_j | s/poiny/point | 21:43 |
| phlixi | i often have to type some numbers, its ten times faster to type them there^^ | 21:43 |
| M4rtinK | I really don't like numerical key blocks on laptop keyboards | 21:43 |
| M4rtinK | unless the laptop is huge | 21:43 |
| M4rtinK | it makes the other keys small & hard to hit | 21:44 |
| Tofe | phlixi: http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/w-series/w540/ | 21:44 |
| M4rtinK | and pushes the keyboard off from center | 21:44 |
| phlixi | This Lenovo product is no longer available. | 21:44 |
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| raa700 | http://www.lenovo.com/images/features/W540-features-03.png näinkö niitä nykyään pidetään | 21:44 |
| Tofe | phlixi: oh well, just go to another shop ;) http://www.amazon.com/Lenovo-ThinkPad-20BG0014US-15-6-Inch-Laptop/dp/B00HD7IX7K | 21:45 |
| phlixi | those "new" 8ok, not really new anymore) chicklet keyboards suck, have it on my x130e | 21:45 |
| M4rtinK | WTF | 21:46 |
| M4rtinK | they have discontinued the W series ? | 21:46 |
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| M4rtinK | this is where it's pointing me now: http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/p-series/ | 21:46 |
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| M4rtinK | a xeon powered laptop | 21:48 |
| M4rtinK | http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/p-series/p50/ | 21:48 |
| M4rtinK | OK | 21:48 |
| M4rtinK | could work with that :) | 21:48 |
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| HtheB | did anyone said laptop? | 21:49 |
| HtheB | https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/a-laptop-fitting-in-your-pocket--2/ | 21:49 |
| phlixi | scroll down and find something more suitable: https://www.thinkworkstations.com/products/p900/ :D | 21:50 |
| M4rtinK | HtheB: I wonder about the ergonomy of that | 21:52 |
| HtheB | phlixi: I never understand the sideway DVD stations :/ | 21:52 |
| HtheB | its a pain to insert a dvd! | 21:52 |
| HtheB | M4rtinK: why? | 21:52 |
| phlixi | thats true, on the other hand, i can not remember when i used a dvd/bluray/cd the last time | 21:52 |
| M4rtinK | HtheB: not sure about the analog joystick placement | 21:52 |
| HtheB | M4rtinK: works fine, it's almost the same as the GPD XD | 21:53 |
| phlixi | but i remember that i accidentially opened the the br tray last week ^^^ | 21:53 |
| HtheB | phlixi: doesn't mean it should be on it's side :P | 21:53 |
| HtheB | :D | 21:53 |
| phlixi | true | 21:53 |
| HtheB | if it's one of those "notebook" dvd stations, then I might understand | 21:54 |
| M4rtinK | HtheB: the 3DS has the joysticks closer to the sides, so I guess there might be a reason for that | 21:54 |
| HtheB | you know, where you CLICK the cd's on it | 21:54 |
| M4rtinK | I guess one would have try try it for a while & compare | 21:54 |
| HtheB | M4rtinK: hmmm... upon closer look | 21:55 |
| HtheB | comparing it with GPD XD, it is indeed a bit different | 21:55 |
| M4rtinK | it could of course be the other way around | 21:55 |
| M4rtinK | 3DS has the second screen in the middle of the lower half | 21:55 |
| M4rtinK | so it *has* to place the controls on the side | 21:55 |
| M4rtinK | same thing with the Vita (display in the middle) | 21:56 |
| HtheB | EvilDragon (from the Open Pandora/Pyra community) made some simple test | 21:56 |
| HtheB | let me show you | 21:56 |
| HtheB | https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/threads/gpd-is-going-to-release-an-x86-console-palmtop-computer.76762/page-19#post-1367644 | 21:59 |
| M4rtinK | thanks! | 21:59 |
| HtheB | of course, he's holding some "paper cardboard" | 22:00 |
| M4rtinK | interesting - the joysticks in the middle actually look quite comfortable | 22:00 |
| HtheB | yes, same goes for the Pyra | 22:00 |
| HtheB | it's in teh middle | 22:00 |
| HtheB | M4rtinK: It's only 299$ | 22:01 |
| HtheB | It would be a nice UMPC with Linux on it | 22:01 |
| M4rtinK | dirkvl: time for a gamepad ToH ? :) (at least for FP2 ;-) ) | 22:01 |
| M4rtinK | HtheB: that's not that bad | 22:01 |
| HtheB | the specs are ok for that price | 22:02 |
| HtheB | the "bad" side: october :( | 22:02 |
| M4rtinK | yeah | 22:02 |
| M4rtinK | October of which year ? :) | 22:02 |
| HtheB | this year :P | 22:03 |
| M4rtinK | that's always something to watch for for mobile Linux device shipping dates :) | 22:03 |
| HtheB | yes, but this is Windows | 22:03 |
| HtheB | :P | 22:03 |
| M4rtinK | that could help :) | 22:03 |
| HtheB | (You can change the OS of course, even boot using a USB flashdrive or a microsd card) | 22:04 |
| dirkvl | M4rtinK: i had some talks with the pyra guys long time ago | 22:04 |
| M4rtinK | AFAIK people are also buying x86 tablets | 22:04 |
| dirkvl | but it ended in noting | 22:04 |
| M4rtinK | to run windows & play windows games on them | 22:04 |
| HtheB | M4rtinK: yes, i've seen them | 22:04 |
| HtheB | one of them is using similair CPU, and i;ve seen that it looks actually pretty good | 22:04 |
| HtheB | dirkvl: too bad :( | 22:05 |
| HtheB | dirkvl: ga je m bestellen? | 22:05 |
| dirkvl | well it was more a question if they wanted to piggyback tohkbc | 22:05 |
| M4rtinK | dirkvl: interesting! well, not everything can be a success on the first try :) | 22:05 |
| dirkvl | HtheB: ? | 22:05 |
| dirkvl | what am i going to order? | 22:05 |
| HtheB | dirk: Pyra or the GPD Win | 22:05 |
| dirkvl | no | 22:05 |
| HtheB | why not!? it's awesome! :P | 22:06 |
| dirkvl | yeah | 22:07 |
| M4rtinK | dirkvl: BTW, following your FairPhone 2 "TOH" projects progress | 22:07 |
| dirkvl | but i have zero need for it | 22:07 |
| dirkvl | oh cool | 22:07 |
| dirkvl | yeah those have been on a pause | 22:07 |
| M4rtinK | dirkvl: the possibilities look very interesting, so good luck! :) | 22:07 |
| dirkvl | cause of two-month holiday | 22:07 |
| dirkvl | coming back in two weeks | 22:07 |
| dirkvl | then getting Insane-O-Bright to work | 22:08 |
| M4rtinK | (and I'm sure I am not the only one looking forward to a potential FP2TOHKBDV3 ;-) ) | 22:08 |
| dirkvl | dont hold your breath over it | 22:13 |
| M4rtinK | okok :) | 22:13 |
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