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| mornfall | covox: intex handset, isn't it? | 01:04 |
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| tiwake | handset? where? | 01:09 |
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| covox | mornfall: is it? I can't find a handset in their product range which looks like that | 01:57 |
| covox | my first reaction was jolla mk II | 01:58 |
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| wmarone | it's the intex unit | 02:03 |
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| covox | ah ok http://www.engadget.com/2016/02/24/jollas-aqua-fish-phone/ | 05:05 |
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| kjetilho | the USB port at the top is really annoying | 08:49 |
| kjetilho | I wonder who came up with that brilliant idea :-p (but I guess it is better than having the port on the side, like Sony) | 08:50 |
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| yestoall | kjetilho: where should the port be? | 09:37 |
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| kjetilho | at the bottom, of course. | 09:39 |
| kjetilho | have you tried to use your phone while it is charging? | 09:39 |
| yestoall | yes, i actually prefer it the way it is, but YMMV of course | 09:40 |
| yestoall | because the cable is not folding around the phone and comes straight from the top | 09:40 |
| yestoall | i guess wen calling a lot it gets worse | 09:40 |
| till | for non-calling use I prefer the port on top | 09:41 |
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| yestoall | we need a USB port on the top and bottom :-) | 09:42 |
| pp_ | one usb-c and one microusb would be great :-) | 09:42 |
| kjetilho | TWICE THE POWER! | 09:42 |
| yestoall | +1 | 09:43 |
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| pp_ | I actually ran into a situation where using the same usb-c port for data & charging meant the phone ran out of battery :P | 09:44 |
| yestoall | :-) | 09:45 |
| yestoall | i wonder when the Jolla website will get an overhaul | 09:46 |
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| pog | hello, I'm wondring, wether there is a way to "hold" the current application an screen. (For me it seems to be unpractical, when some Application as timer and in general - I'm a bit slow) always go a) to background and b) a double tap has to be made. | 09:59 |
| pog | may be there is a kind of fix gesture... | 10:00 |
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| pog | what is a pitty, that (according to https://together.jolla.com/question/5825/ringtone-per-contact/) it's mot possible to set a personal ringtone or in Groups. | 10:08 |
| pog | What I'm also interessted, would it be difficult, to change the software to make changments (as I'm a programmer). | 10:09 |
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| stephg | pog you mean the screen goes to sleep? change the display-off behaviour (default is 30s) in settings? | 10:10 |
| pog | (some changments, which are in the logic of the software might be easy to make). | 10:10 |
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| chem|st | pog: changements? | 10:11 |
| pog | chem|st: I mean more improvments. | 10:11 |
| r0kk3rz | pog: if its your app then you can use nemo-keepalive to stop display blanking | 10:11 |
| chem|st | pog: the timer for how long apps stay on top after screen fades was a quick and dirty hardcode iirc | 10:12 |
| chem|st | pog: we are waiting on a very long list of improvements and that is very far down | 10:13 |
| pog | thanks, for the very first moment I will change the delay, and put the Mobile off manually. (which is easy). | 10:13 |
| chem|st | pog: most things that aren't hardcoded are patches available for | 10:13 |
| pog | good... | 10:13 |
| chem|st | pog: what else are you looking for? | 10:14 |
| pog | I just began to work more intensivly with the jolla (which I have a year now), so there are certainly some things coming... | 10:15 |
| chem|st | kjetilho: I reorganized the cables so it is not coming from the side or the front of the table, that way top makes it actually better to use as you never have the cable in your way | 10:16 |
| pog | Actually I'm interested to create a application just to see, how it's implemented. | 10:16 |
| pog | Actually I tried the native barcode App, and until now, I don't find out how it works... | 10:17 |
| pog | As I love also Rasperry PI's I'm wondring wether sailfish runs on a PI. | 10:18 |
| chem|st | pog: for developer questions you better join #sailfishos and the mailinglist(ML), on ML you usually get detailed answers if you ask detailed questions | 10:18 |
| chem|st | pog: and yes sfos runs on Pi | 10:18 |
| pog | thanks chem|st. | 10:18 |
| pog | I'm pleased... thanks a lot. | 10:19 |
| chem|st | with a touchscreen attached you have yourself a bulky tablet I guess | 10:19 |
| kjetilho | chem|st: I prefer to hold it in my hand when I use it :) | 10:19 |
| stephg | kjetilho: that's what she said | 10:19 |
| chem|st | kjetilho: lol, me too, just meant that cable rearangement solved it for me, I had it run up from my desk front and that was very annoying | 10:20 |
| chem|st | stephg: +1 | 10:20 |
| chem|st | kjetilho: as I like to navigate with my thumb only (one-hand), I don't like a cable in my way at the bottom | 10:21 |
| kjetilho | I don't see how it is in your way, but ... | 10:22 |
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| pog | ha, ha, my settings were display off after 15s... not enough time to search for a new Kontact. | 10:25 |
| pog | 10 Minutes seems to be max. but o.k. | 10:26 |
| the_mgt | how many contacts do you have?! | 10:28 |
| pog | I wanted to search for a mail adress, and I had to wake ap Jolla twice.. | 10:29 |
| pog | otherweise I have 20 contacts or so. | 10:29 |
| chem|st | kjetilho: one-handed, I have my little finger supporting the bottom, same spot ports usually are, there is only one thing I would like the cable on bottom, and that is on a call | 10:30 |
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| pog | I saw in youtube a setting, where the pics of the Contacts where shown, and can be selected, that nice... is it a new feature are a setting? | 10:30 |
| chem|st | pog: I have >300 contacts and no such issue | 10:31 |
| kjetilho | ah. well, actually I rest my pinky *against* the cable on other phones. makes it more stable | 10:31 |
| chem|st | pog: go in contact edit mode, there tap the picture | 10:31 |
| pog | thanks | 10:31 |
| chem|st | kjetilho: don't touch my PINKY! | 10:32 |
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| chem|st | kjetilho: highly subjective, I'd love to have the port on the side, where the pwrbtn is | 10:32 |
| chem|st | pog: although the video-guides on youtube are for sfos1.0ui, the apps barely changed | 10:34 |
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| pog | I just tried, I had a contact with a picture. But when I'm calling contacts (in the contrary to the demo) I dont have the pic to select on top. | 10:40 |
| pog | I can assign an delete the pic... | 10:41 |
| pog | (may be I'm doing something wrong) | 10:42 |
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| pog | for example I can make in/visible the search field. | 10:44 |
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| kimmoli | pog: favorite | 10:46 |
| pp_ | hmn, february is almost over :D | 10:48 |
| pp_ | suppose they can still ship tablets on monday to be "start shipping in February" :D | 10:49 |
| ln- | there's february 2017 | 10:50 |
| r0kk3rz | pp_: theres also 29 days in feb this year, so they have an extra day than usual! | 10:50 |
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| pog | I was just trying to connect my irc-chat...how can I /join groups ? I'm stll on the first (freenode) buffer. | 12:14 |
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| sakustar | pog: connect to another server you mean? | 12:17 |
| pog | im connected to freenode, but I don't seem to find a way to join a #channel. | 12:19 |
| pog | in weechat /join #jollamobile | 12:20 |
| Tegu | pog: if I got what you meant, press alt-number to switch between buffers (or whatever they are called in weechat). or ctrl-n to next and ctrl-p to previous | 12:22 |
| wysiwtf | f5-f6 also works nicely in weechat | 12:22 |
| pog | oky, I also found a video in youtube about the native client. | 12:23 |
| pog | I'm trying the keys... | 12:24 |
| pog | don't think that my keyboard has these keys.. | 12:25 |
| pog | will look the vid first | 12:25 |
| wysiwtf | are you on a mobile device using ssh? | 12:27 |
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| pog | at the moment I use the sf native client. | 12:28 |
| pog | the trick does to push not down, but up (from below) an join. | 12:28 |
| Sailor12206 | yep!! | 12:29 |
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| Tegu | ah, I thought you're using weechat | 12:32 |
| Tegu | but yea I think you can type /join #channel in the sailfish irc client as well | 12:32 |
| Tegu | or use the pulley menu, whatever | 12:32 |
| pog | Tegu: here I'm using weechat :-) | 12:33 |
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| pog | strange, when I pull from up to down, I expect to see the swich off buttom. Some Application are canceld. I thought the cancel needs to make the movement over the screen... | 12:41 |
| pog | I just killed my irc-client twice... | 12:41 |
| Tegu | pog: there's a setting for that in Settings -> Shortcuts | 12:42 |
| pog | (IMO sometimes the gestures are not 100% clear). | 12:42 |
| pog | Tegu: will look at it, thanks | 12:43 |
| Tegu | pog: oh wait, no | 12:43 |
| Tegu | Settings -> Gestures | 12:43 |
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| spiiroin | pog: something like "mcetool --set-inhibit-mode=stay-dim" might suite your purpose. display is still automatically dimmed, but not turned off -> app stays in foreground. | 13:16 |
| spiiroin | "keep display on while charging" in settings -> the same config item, but allows only toggling between "disabled" and "stay-on-while-charging" inhibit modes | 13:18 |
| r0kk3rz | spiiroin: does mce store its settings in dconf? | 13:20 |
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| spiiroin | r0kk3rz: nope, but there is D-Bus api | 13:21 |
| r0kk3rz | oh ok | 13:22 |
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| kimmoli | i have opinion about consistency of "mcetool" and "mcetool --help" but i get kicked if i say it out loud | 13:25 |
| spiiroin | kimmoli: if your opinion is "there is no consistency", you're right(tm) | 13:26 |
| kimmoli | nicely said yes | 13:27 |
| * spiiroin has frequently "I should clean up this mess" moments | 13:28 | |
| r0kk3rz | spiiroin: know that feel | 13:29 |
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| spiiroin | r0kk3rz: IIRC, for that particular setting, the nemo-qml-plugin-systemsettings supports all values - the settings app just uses two of those | 13:34 |
| r0kk3rz | spiiroin: oh right, so it would be possible to write an full mcetool configurator app thing | 13:38 |
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| spiiroin | r0kk3rz: with D-Bus, yes; I mean that for that inhibit mode there is ready to use qml plugin that allows more options than what is used by the default jolla settings ui | 13:40 |
| r0kk3rz | ah yes, not everything is hooked into the plugin then | 13:40 |
| spiiroin | right | 13:40 |
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| dv_ | so, what's the status of Mitakuuluu3 and whatsup? I remember some horror stories where the whatsapp servers detected an "unauthenticated client" and banned the account | 19:25 |
| dv_ | also, Mitakuuluu3 vs. whatsup? | 19:25 |
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| Yaniel | both suffer from the jnofficial client problem | 19:29 |
| Yaniel | unofficial* | 19:30 |
| dv_ | well sure, they'll always lag in terms of compatibility | 19:31 |
| dv_ | its the banning that concerns me | 19:31 |
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| Yaniel | both have an equal risk of that afaik | 19:34 |
| nh1402 | Yaniel: not unless you figure out how to do it my way. | 19:35 |
| Yaniel | iirc one of the devs actually got a letter from facebook | 19:36 |
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| nh1402 | Yaniel: if you can figure out how to authorise yourself to use web.whatsapp.com on the same phone, you can modify the html of the website, to create your own app | 19:37 |
| nh1402 | which should avoid all this unofficial nonsense, you'd have their official app, but you would be using it indirectly. | 19:38 |
| Yaniel | can probably still be considered reverse-engineering which is against the TOS IRC | 19:42 |
| Yaniel | IIRC* | 19:42 |
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| nh1402 | it's not really reverse engineering | 19:43 |
| nh1402 | it's just modifying their website | 19:43 |
| nh1402 | in an app | 19:44 |
| Yaniel | it's still open to interpretation | 19:44 |
| dv_ | well. | 19:44 |
| dv_ | I think I will also try another approach: I'll try to convince my friends to use telegram :) | 19:45 |
| r0kk3rz | dv_: generally a good idea to avoid hostile services anyway | 19:46 |
| nh1402 | I still think my idea is a kind of loophole. | 19:48 |
| r0kk3rz | nh1402: you're probably right, but they will still threaten you with lawsuits | 19:48 |
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| nh1402 | but I'm not breaking the law, the website that the user see's is open code, any one can see it | 19:51 |
| nh1402 | I'm not decompiling their app or hacking into their server | 19:52 |
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| nh1402 | just html and css modifications | 19:52 |
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| r0kk3rz | their threats will most likely be empty | 19:52 |
| r0kk3rz | but still threats | 19:52 |
| r0kk3rz | they have the power of facebook to appeal you into bankrupcy | 19:53 |
| dv_ | so the old IBM nazghul model, sort of | 19:53 |
| dv_ | which goes: IBM lawyers show up at $company. lawyers tell $company that they can agree to a payment right then and there, or risk a patent lawsuit. | 19:54 |
| dv_ | IBM had (and has) boatloads of patents. they always found something. | 19:54 |
| nh1402 | I still think I could win. | 19:54 |
| nh1402 | I'm not willing to go to court over it though. | 19:54 |
| r0kk3rz | probably easier to just use the android app | 20:00 |
| nh1402 | true | 20:01 |
| nh1402 | have numerous other projects to work on, I'm not going to add Whatsapp web client thing to it. Escpecially if one of my apps will be competing with it. | 20:02 |
| r0kk3rz | nh1402: textsecure? | 20:03 |
| nh1402 | nope, a messaging app with text formatting. | 20:03 |
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| Yaniel | does it at least make use of some existing protocol | 20:04 |
| nh1402 | it's only an android app atm and it's not finished. But it's functional. | 20:04 |
| Yaniel | like matrix | 20:04 |
| nh1402 | and it currently only works with SMS | 20:04 |
| nh1402 | and no | 20:04 |
| nh1402 | will likely be using tox down the line though. | 20:06 |
| r0kk3rz | why tox | 20:08 |
| Lieke_ | why not contribute to cyanide then? | 20:08 |
| Yaniel | I wonder how those guys are doing nowadays | 20:08 |
| r0kk3rz | tox is obsolete, ricochet is where its at yo | 20:08 |
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| nh1402 | I'm not going to contribute to poison | 20:09 |
| Yaniel | I'm a bit disappointed that it is called cyanide and not Fugu | 20:10 |
| Yaniel | as in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugu_fish | 20:10 |
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| r0kk3rz | nh1402: so like, rich text in an sms? | 20:11 |
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| nh1402 | kind of yh | 20:16 |
| nh1402 | at the moment it supports bold, italics, underline and sarcasm | 20:17 |
| nh1402 | going to add strikethrough when I get back to work on it | 20:17 |
| nh1402 | sfdroid has take priority at the moment. | 20:17 |
| r0kk3rz | so, markdown for sms | 20:19 |
| r0kk3rz | interesting | 20:19 |
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| nh1402 | it's also going to have full ui customisation control, change font of sender and receiver, font colour, the speech bubble things, action bar, buttons etc. | 20:30 |
| nh1402 | for first release | 20:32 |
| nh1402 | then I'll look at p2p and stuff for the next release. | 20:32 |
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| Mannix_ | hello | 21:18 |
| Mannix_ | fellow jollas | 21:18 |
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