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schoppenhauerhi. i always generate passwords with pwgen, and they can be cumbersome to type in manually. on my computer i always copypaste them. for linux/x11 there is the xclip tool that lets one copy the clipboard contents to another x-server. can something similar be done with the ssh shell of my jolla phone? (that is, I log in via ssh, and then have some command that will put something into jolla's/wayland's05:29
schoppenhauerclipboard, similar to the functionality of xclip?)05:29
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schoppenhaueranother possibility i thought about was vnc, i found http://tinyurl.com/huocmfd this thread, suggesting there is not yet any "simple" app that can do that05:32
schoppenhauerok, there is an app "send to phone"05:34
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TMavicaany photoshop expert here?05:53
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phlixi"send to phone" is great, and if you do not trust the network, you can use QR Codes05:57
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schoppenhauerphlixi: unfortunately the php-proxy-script does not work. do you have any clue how to debug that?06:33
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phlixischoppenhauer: i never looked into that, i am pretty much always in the same network with pc and phone when using it, thus no need for proxy07:08
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phlixiif it is just about the IP you can use the hostname too thus instead of using http://192.168.1.2:9099/xxxxx you might want to try http://Jolla:8099/xxxxx07:12
phlixihowever, i have one network where this does not work, didnt investigated there, because i have a fixed ip on the phone there, thus it is no problem (and i assume its even the reason for that)07:13
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phlixi...if you are on a laptop you can also use the hotspot on the phone to get on the same network or internet sharing from laptop...07:17
phlixiand to actually answer your question schoppenhauer: in order to debug php the first thing i do is usually ini_set('display_errors', 1);07:19
schoppenhauerphlixi: ok thx07:19
phlixithen add vardumps :)07:20
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WaRiOi use native whatsapp again then i ban from add con on group16:13
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Guest19086any poss to ban me for chatting?16:14
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HtheBGuest19086: there has been some changes in the protocol16:23
HtheByou can just use whatsup16:23
HtheBbut just do not add eople to group chats at the moment16:24
HtheBuntill this has been fixed16:24
Guest19086you mean the native client ?16:24
Guest19086i have 0.2416:24
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HtheBGuest19086: yes, thats the last version at the moment16:28
HtheBi hope itll be fixed very soon16:29
HtheBno 0.2.516:29
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Guest19086im an admin group its that a prob?16:32
tillnot for me16:36
Guest19086ok16:44
Guest19086i hope so16:45
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HtheBGuest19086: yes17:43
HtheBit can be a problem17:43
HtheBbecause only admins can add people, and that still can lead to a ban17:43
HtheByou are warned17:43
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Guest19086so i remove me admin17:44
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Stskeepsanybody who has a bq aquarius 4.5 with ubuntu that they want to get rid of or donate for better purposes?18:08
Stskeeps:P18:08
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r0kk3rzStskeeps: did they manage to unlock the bootloader on that one yet?18:11
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Stskeepsr0kk3rz: on ubuntu one i presume it's unlocked18:15
r0kk3rzhmm i seem to recall reports that say otherwise18:15
Stskeepsit probably doesn't need unlocking18:17
Stskeeps:P18:17
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nh1402Stskeeps: What's your view on the death of Firefox OS on mobile devices?19:42
Stskeepsnh1402: ugh, i usually charge for that :p19:46
tiwakeheh19:49
Stskeepsnh1402: i think they blew their reputation with odms by heavily patching aosp19:51
Stskeepsand being difficult to work with19:51
nh1402I believe they only just partnered with some company, I think it might have been a mobile carrier, a few weeks before they threw in the towl19:53
nh1402towel*19:53
nh1402either a mobile carrier, or an oem19:53
Stskeepsnod19:53
Stskeepsit makes some degree of sense what they're doing but the way they communicated it is terrible19:53
nh1402Interestingly they haven't killed off the OS entirely and said it could be used in other areas such as "IoT"19:57
nh1402I hate that phrase IoT, it's BS19:57
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Nicd-internet of vulnerabilities19:59
r0kk3rznh1402: they're using that term all over the industrial computing market20:00
r0kk3rzwhich is retarded, because we've been doing 'internet of things' things for decades20:00
r0kk3rzits called plcs and modbus20:00
Stskeepsnh1402: there's nothing that frightens me more than xulrunner on a IoT device20:00
Stskeepswith javascript20:00
nh1402it is retarded20:01
r0kk3rzyeah, why mozilla decided they need an os is beyond me really20:04
Stskeepswell, that one i can understand more20:04
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nh1402but why base it on web stuff20:07
Stskeepseverybody thinks html5 is cool for OS until they try it20:09
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r0kk3rzultimately the web is an application layer, we already have application layers for OSs20:10
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Yanielwhoever thought HTML5 was cool in the first place....20:12
r0kk3rzmy current employers are big on the idea of HTML520:13
r0kk3rzshifting away from WPF to web tech everywhere20:13
Yanielrip perf20:14
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nh1402r0kk3rzL same is happening to my friend, except it was his idea20:27
nh1402r0kk3rz20:28
nh1402but mainly for cross platform compatiblity, sharing code.20:28
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phlixithe perf argument us invalid i think21:02
r0kk3rznh1402: i think thats what the germans are hoping21:04
r0kk3rzzero extra work maintaining a webclient and a main client21:04
r0kk3rzbut of course means you are coding to the lowest common denominator21:04
narchi4jolla vat payment21:08
Teguyea, I've noticed that many html5 games run terribly wherease similar native games are just fine. of course it might not be only because of html5 itself but the coder as well21:09
phlixii was saying that in the context of "shifting away from WPF"21:12
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