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| pdanek | Intex Sailfish will be released on MWC 2016!!! | 10:57 |
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| pdanek | https://together.jolla.com/question/125804/intex-aqua-fish-running-sailfish-20-to-be-released-during-mwc-2016/ | 10:58 |
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| chem|st | and that is how you become a bad customer https://together.jolla.com/question/125656/what-happens-with-the-pre-ordered-tablets/?answer=126076#post-id-126076 | 12:10 |
| tortoisedoc | chem|st : why a bad customer | 12:11 |
| tortoisedoc | cause he dropped his money? :D | 12:11 |
| chem|st | tortoisedoc: because he used the paymentprocessor for refunding instead of just asking Jolla for a refund | 12:11 |
| tortoisedoc | chem|st : what's wrong with that approach | 12:12 |
| RaYmAn | hasn't Jolla denied people refunds already? saying "new information will come later" isn't really useful to anyone :P | 12:12 |
| RaYmAn | (denied in the sense, they aren't giving them *now*) | 12:13 |
| chem|st | tortoisedoc: think again what you just asked | 12:13 |
| eugenio | not to preorders AFAIK (still have to try :P) | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | RaYmAn: well, there's two camps, there's indiego which is "aren't giving them *now*" and then there's the preorders on website shop which is naturally something you should be able to refund legally.. | 12:13 |
| * tortoisedoc thinks but cannot find any issue with that? | 12:14 | |
| chem|st | tortoisedoc: you are hurting the company by doing so | 12:14 |
| RaYmAn | tortoisedoc: legally, you can only really do it if company refuses to provide a refund | 12:14 |
| RaYmAn | so you have to try and get a regular refund first | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | that said, people seem to think that refunds happen instantly when in a crowdfunding campaign -- companies like indiegogo escrow the money and then send them forward to the company, without any details of what CC was used or anything, so a refund would have to go first to indiegogo and then to payer | 12:15 |
| chem|st | RaYmAn: you can claim refunds with paypal any time, that is one service of buying things with paypal | 12:15 |
| RaYmAn | Stskeeps: tbh, no one really knows where IGG people fall in that sense :P | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | ie indiegogo just sends a big lump of money | 12:15 |
| chem|st | that is one reason I would not accept debit cards nor paypal if I had a webshop | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | even if there was money for refunds (which i don't know), it's not exactly a overnight project | 12:16 |
| chem|st | I had nothhing but trouble with paypal (business account) | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | paypal is just evil | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | can't wait until they get upended and against the wall when the revolution cmes | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | +o | 12:18 |
| RaYmAn | yeah, they tend to be unfair to pretty much everyone :P | 12:18 |
| chem|st | RaYmAn: incl that we need to file a detailed ledger with it for serving some US law | 12:19 |
| chem|st | despite the fact that paypal got bank status in EU some years ago | 12:20 |
| pp | probably they found out they could get the benefits without the drawbacks :-) | 12:21 |
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| rigo | see my comment on TJC. I have to look at the legalese of IGG, but I think you're acting like a VC there, not like a preorder | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | rigo: 'preorder' comes from that there was a gather of preorderers for a future batch on shop.jolla.com, not done through IGG but as a regular purchase | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | which complicates matters a bit | 12:23 |
| rigo | and yes, the guy can reclaim by paypal, but legally, it doesn't solve it :) In reality you don't go after him, because too expensive and not worthwhile | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 12:23 |
| rigo | and it is actually an advantage as all those screaming idiots go away | 12:24 |
| rigo | Stskeeps: have you got my reading list? | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | rigo: yeah, been browsing it slowly today | 12:25 |
| SQUelcher | A friend of mine got his money back from paypal in 3 days or so | 12:26 |
| rigo | it's only a hint for prioritization. I think the most important is a sandbox with a UI to turn Internet on and off for any given app :) | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | rigo: yeah, the good news is that at least i seem to have a good mental model of the issues involved in the first place | 12:26 |
| rigo | evidently, as you don't try to fool people into giving you all the data, which is the purpose of other popular systems :) | 12:27 |
| rigo | neither do you want to have the seamless totally controlled experience in a golden cage | 12:28 |
| rigo | the two aside, there are seas of reason for a sailfish to swim | 12:28 |
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| Stskeeps | rigo: are you coming to FOSDEM by chance? | 12:30 |
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| RaYmAn | Stskeeps: just for reference: The IGG paypal transfer was actually done directly to jolla (pasi.rusila@jolla.com) and NOT to IGG. | 12:40 |
| Stskeeps | RaYmAn: that's interesting | 12:40 |
| Stskeeps | wonder why indiegogo would let themselves be bypassed | 12:40 |
| Stskeeps | and poor pasi | 12:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:40 |
| RaYmAn | I can't remember, was it a flexible funding campaign? | 12:41 |
| RaYmAn | they always do the bypass for paypal contributions there | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | i don't recall, but it sounds like it | 12:41 |
| RaYmAn | I assumed they wouldn't do direct for fixed campaigns | 12:41 |
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| Yaniel | it was | 12:42 |
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| tortoisedoc | does IGG take a percentage off the investments? | 12:52 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: that does only work with flex funding, they do not offer paypal for fixed funding | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | tortoisedoc: i think so but i don't know | 12:53 |
| chem|st | tortoisedoc: 5% | 12:53 |
| tortoisedoc | I'd suppose they get their cash from somewhere.. | 12:53 |
| tortoisedoc | so 5% of the ammount for the tablets is a good deal | 12:53 |
| tortoisedoc | would be fun if actually IGG would not have been able to deliver the full ammount to jolla... | 12:54 |
| tortoisedoc | (for whatever reason) | 12:54 |
| chem|st | tortoisedoc: how should they not be able to? | 12:54 |
| tortoisedoc | chem|st : I have no clue, this is totally f00culation now | 12:54 |
| chem|st | from any kickstarterlike service the max you get it 90-93%, 7-10% are fees combined | 12:55 |
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| plfiorini | any suggestion for an intel tablet that can run sfos2 without (too much) effort and doesn't cost a kidney? | 14:56 |
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| * tbr idly ponders how well it would still run on exopc | 14:56 | |
| tbr | ofc its SGX gpu... | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | exopc isn't sgx | 14:58 |
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| Stskeeps | it's intel gma ... AFAIK | 14:58 |
| dr_gogeta86 | if gma500 ... kill yourself | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | no, 3150 | 14:59 |
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| Stskeeps | tbr: i guess there's two ways, standard mesa or android-x8 | 15:00 |
| Stskeeps | 6 | 15:00 |
| tbr | ok, I might be misremembering | 15:01 |
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| sameo | There are a bunch of sub USD150 Baytrail tablets out there. | 15:01 |
| tbr | yeah, make sure you get baytrail and not cherry trail though, as cherry trail seems to be still a bit unripe under linux (again gpu) | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: damnit, now i want to try and put sailfish on there.. | 15:02 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: be me guest, saves me from looking for mine and trying ;) | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | though there's no daydream mode in sailfish | 15:02 |
| sameo | tbr: cherry trail tablets are more on the expensive side. | 15:03 |
| tbr | sameo: depends, some small screen devices with win10 can be had for <$100 from aliexpress | 15:03 |
| sameo | tbr: running CHT ? | 15:04 |
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| Stskeeps | tbr: seems like android-x86 uses mesa, too | 15:05 |
| tbr | sameo: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Onda-V820w-CH-Intel-Cherry-Trail-Atom-X5-Z8300-Quad-Core-Windows-10-OS-8-inch/32493249360.html | 15:06 |
| tbr | it gets more expensive if you have a larger screen and a Z8500 | 15:07 |
| tbr | and quite expensive if you'd want a Z8700 | 15:07 |
| sameo | tbr: ah right, that's a windows device, you mentioned that. | 15:08 |
| tbr | yes, the older baytrail version of the v820w can be had as dualboot win10/android4.4 | 15:08 |
| sameo | tbr: Yep, z8300 is the CHT low end. | 15:09 |
| sameo | tbr: And was it cheaper ? (the older BYT) | 15:10 |
| tbr | so the baytrail based device (about same price or a few $ cheaper) might be easier to beat into submission to drive the LCD | 15:10 |
| tbr | http://www.aliexpress.com/item/NEW-Original-ONDA-V820W-8-0-Inch-Dual-OS-Windows-10-Android-4-4-Tablet-PC/32506379334.html - slightly | 15:10 |
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| tbr | though I have my doubts if it will be possible to get the linux kernel source code out of Onda for the Z3735F based device and its android adaptation | 15:11 |
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| tbr | given that the hardware looks otherwise identical it might be worth a try to see if its enough to get the LCD to light up on the CherryTrail based hardware. Again if one could get the sources. | 15:13 |
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| Coolgeek | hi, how can I install a RPM from openrepos from CLI ? | 15:18 |
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| Nicd- | pkcon install-local rpmfile | 15:20 |
| andybranson | pkcon install-local whatevs.rpm | 15:20 |
| andybranson | ooh i was close | 15:20 |
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| Coolgeek | thx ! | 15:21 |
| plfiorini | tbr: ok thanks as a matter of fact i was looking for cherry trail the other day :P | 15:21 |
| plfiorini | i've seen an onda z8300 with 4gb of ram but the cpu should allow only 2gb | 15:22 |
| plfiorini | i wonder what's going on :P | 15:22 |
| tbr | plfiorini: rumor has it, that it's not very willing under linux, yet. maybe sameo can comment on this though. | 15:22 |
| tbr | plfiorini: certainly a coordinated effort to get the sources for the baytrail linux/android kernel sources would be a good idea though | 15:23 |
| plfiorini | tbr: i was looking for an older onda that a gnome guy made almost working, there's also a github repo with the wifi driver but of course it's too old and might find it only on the second hand market | 15:23 |
| tbr | I saw pretty old ondas on aliexpress | 15:23 |
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| sameo | plfiorini: What makes you think that the z8300 is limited to 2gb ? | 15:24 |
| plfiorini | it sucks that you are stuck with 32bit binaries with those tablets | 15:24 |
| plfiorini | sameo: ARK | 15:24 |
| sameo | plfiorini: The firmware is 32 bits, but you should be able to boot a 100% 64bits image on top of it. | 15:25 |
| plfiorini | sameo: good to know, i've seen people complain about it and 32bit only images for ubuntu and such | 15:27 |
| tbr | plfiorini: how about some clovertrail http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-cheap-7-inch-Tablet-PC-Intel-Atom-Clover-Trail-Z2520-Dual-core-1GB-8GB-Wifi/32580255336.html - with SGX gpu! | 15:27 |
| sameo | tbr: I would not go with clover trail... | 15:27 |
| plfiorini | mmm SGX seems trickier than intel | 15:28 |
| tbr | sameo: obviously, plfiorini asked for older hw, so I dug this cheap turd out :) | 15:28 |
| sameo | tbr: I consider BYT to be old :) | 15:29 |
| plfiorini | i didn't specifically ask for old stuff, just not super expensive like in the 100:200EUR range :) | 15:29 |
| tbr | sameo: well, you probably play with silly-cone that's CHT+2 ;) | 15:29 |
| plfiorini | 250 tops | 15:29 |
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| sameo | plfiorini: Stay with CHT or BYT in that range. | 15:31 |
| plfiorini | mi pad 2 looks awesome and should be cheap but it's cherry trail so... | 15:31 |
| tbr | is there android for it or is it w10? | 15:32 |
| sameo | tbr: both. | 15:32 |
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| plfiorini | you can pick whatever you want, though if i recall the one with win 10 was not yet available | 15:32 |
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| tbr | if there is android for it, ask for the kernel sources, if you get them, then it should be possible to make it work. (No idea if it will be better than framebuffer though) | 15:33 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: *and it's not locked down by UEFI means | 15:34 |
| tbr | right :) | 15:34 |
| plfiorini | pfff | 15:34 |
| plfiorini | why life is not easy | 15:34 |
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| tbr | life sucks and then you die. Film at 23:55 | 15:35 |
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| sameo | tbr, plfiorini: You can get the very latest BYT kernel for Android M here: https://download.01.org/irda/6.0/ | 15:37 |
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| plfiorini | Stskeeps: what was the jolla tablet based on -> is there something that is close to it? | 15:38 |
| tbr | sameo: well, this is about vendor frankenkernel, with the beaten into submission LCD parts | 15:38 |
| eugenio | aigo x86 | 15:38 |
| plfiorini | ah right | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | plfiorini: even with that there's limited chances of success, sadly | 15:39 |
| sameo | tbr: Show me an Android kernel that's not a frankenstein one. | 15:40 |
| tbr | sameo: yes, that's my point. :) | 15:40 |
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| sameo | tbr: Upstream support for BYT should be very good btw. There's a lot of Androidism in that beast. | 15:41 |
| tbr | the intel android kernel is probably still comparably sane, but once it goes through an ODM and further 'customization'... | 15:41 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: happen to have a number of patches at hand between intel android kernel and jolla device kernel? :) | 15:41 |
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| tbr | I hear sony is slowly making its way down from their 2M patches on top of mainline (for QC devices) | 15:42 |
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| Stskeeps | tbr: <insert picture of a wastedump> | 15:44 |
| tbr | *sigh* a world in which everything could run mainline | 15:44 |
| tbr | :> | 15:44 |
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| plfiorini | ok narrowing down to bay trail there's the V975W which is cheap and looks like some people had luck running ubuntu and mint | 15:54 |
| plfiorini | though it runs windoze | 15:55 |
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| tbr | plfiorini: make sure it wasn't just the hdmi out. that seems what one guy who tried baytrail v820w got to work, no lcd | 16:04 |
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| Luca247 | hi everyone :) | 16:04 |
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| plfiorini | this is what i found http://techcat.ca/threads/onda-v975w-tablet-guide-installing-ubuntu-mint-linux-on-intel-atom-bay-trail-tablet.8/ | 16:04 |
| Luca247 | a quick question...the developer meeting is already finished? | 16:05 |
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| tbr | Luca247: postponed to next week, appparently | 16:06 |
| Luca247 | ah many thx | 16:06 |
| Luca247 | wanted to follow the meeting but couldn't find any info about | 16:07 |
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| coderus | tjc | 16:49 |
| HtheB | tmo | 16:50 |
| pdanek | Intex Sailfish on MWC 2016!!! | 16:50 |
| pdanek | Are you guys not hyped! | 16:50 |
| HtheB | pdanek not at all | 16:50 |
| HtheB | i rather have a highend Sailfish OS | 16:51 |
| HtheB | device | 16:51 |
| pdanek | I don't think it will come with 1GB memory | 16:51 |
| pdanek | will be most likely 2GB | 16:51 |
| pdanek | which is enough to get functional Sailfish again | 16:51 |
| HtheB | ugh | 16:51 |
| HtheB | all other high ends are already at like 4GB :P | 16:52 |
| pdanek | 4GB Intex won't happen | 16:52 |
| pdanek | so 2GB better than nothing | 16:52 |
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| HtheB | thats what Im talking about | 16:52 |
| HtheB | thats why Im not so hyped | 16:52 |
| pdanek | sure | 16:52 |
| Lieke | my phone still works, so also not hyped | 16:52 |
| HtheB | it will be midrange again :( | 16:52 |
| pdanek | I'm hyped to have at least something | 16:52 |
| pdanek | because now we have nothing | 16:52 |
| HtheB | pdanek: we have ports | 16:52 |
| pdanek | without AlienDalvik | 16:53 |
| HtheB | WITH :) | 16:53 |
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| pdanek | :O :O | 16:53 |
| pdanek | HtheB: where? how? when? send me info pleeeease | 16:53 |
| HtheB | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--OtwvH4ARU | 16:53 |
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| HtheB | still beta/alpha | 16:53 |
| pdanek | I know that | 16:54 |
| pdanek | That's not AlienDalvik, right? | 16:54 |
| HtheB | it's a start | 16:54 |
| pdanek | that's far behind the comfort of running apps in AlienDalvik | 16:54 |
| pdanek | start is not now | 16:54 |
| pdanek | Intex with 2GB can be much sooner | 16:54 |
| HtheB | :D | 16:54 |
| HtheB | Soon (ugh) | 16:54 |
| pdanek | Because I'm on the edge of switching to Android, that's how desparate I'm with 1GB memory | 16:55 |
| HtheB | Why do ALL companies that I want to support use "Soon" as their slogans :( | 16:55 |
| pdanek | :D | 16:55 |
| HtheB | The Pyra, Jolla, Gateway 3DS | 16:55 |
| HtheB | SOON... | 16:55 |
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| pdanek | I wonder if someone ever created fake hype of device which people really believed to come to the market and kept the hype for months or years | 16:56 |
| pdanek | but never actually developed anything | 16:56 |
| HtheB | a lot :P believe me | 16:56 |
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| Coolgeek | pdanek: the game "star citizen" ? :p | 17:01 |
| * Coolgeek hides | 17:01 | |
| Stskeeps | pdanek: ubuntu edge? | 17:02 |
| chem|st | pdanek: bmw M series M7 M8... well M8 made it to one prototype | 17:03 |
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| chem|st | release of hurd | 17:06 |
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| pdanek | hmmm | 17:07 |
| pdanek | I mean that even the company didn't intend to ever develop anything | 17:07 |
| pdanek | and only created a hype for whatever purpose | 17:07 |
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| narchi4 | joll tablate? | 17:44 |
| narchi4 | only for sale domestic chinese market | 17:45 |
| pdanek | narchi4: maybe.... maybe it was all just trick | 17:46 |
| rigo | flowtex was one of those games. Worth over a billion € CEOs have been jailed for 10y | 17:48 |
| rigo | there are many like this. I can ask my friends at public attorney IT department in Cologne | 17:49 |
| rigo | the tablet was good meaning romantic engineers making a wrong price calculation. It should have cost more than an iPad | 17:50 |
| rigo | in this case, those who are short on budget and keen on delivery would have bought an iPad. And those who are keen on a third way would have a vanity tablet that has the nerdic kick for every IETF hipster | 17:51 |
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| Nokius_work | pdanek: tabco aka Fusion Garage | 18:51 |
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| Luca247 | hi everyone :) | 22:54 |
| Luca247 | is there something using the native whatsup? | 22:54 |
| HtheB | something? | 22:54 |
| Luca247 | oh hi there :) | 22:55 |
| HtheB | hi | 22:55 |
| Luca247 | the app is perfect but i cannit listen to voice recordings in aac | 22:55 |
| Luca247 | any help on that? | 22:56 |
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| Luca247 | keep in mind that i have gstreamer and ultimate codec support installed | 22:56 |
| Luca247 | and i can perfectly listen to ogg files via the app | 22:56 |
| Luca247 | :) | 22:56 |
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| Luca247 | for listening aac files i have to look for the hidden folder on filemanager and listen files on that...not so quick unfortunately... | 23:02 |
| HtheB | just install the ultimate codec pack | 23:04 |
| HtheB | on open repos | 23:04 |
| Luca247 | i know | 23:04 |
| Luca247 | but is already installed | 23:04 |
| HtheB | then whats the problem? | 23:06 |
| * HtheB doesnt get it | 23:06 | |
| HtheB | there is a build in Media browser inside whatsup | 23:06 |
| Luca247 | when i receive voice recordings in aac format in whatsup i cannot play them | 23:06 |
| HtheB | hmm thats werid | 23:07 |
| HtheB | because I can | 23:07 |
| Luca247 | even if i have all codecs and gstreamer installed | 23:07 |
| HtheB | what app do you need to use to play it? | 23:07 |
| Luca247 | this | 23:07 |
| HtheB | just build in player? | 23:07 |
| HtheB | or some android player? | 23:07 |
| Luca247 | i use filecase to search for the hidden whatsup folder then i play it via the filecase player (already for cepi) | 23:08 |
| Luca247 | this while i can correctly play ogg files | 23:09 |
| Luca247 | and a friend of mine have the same problem | 23:09 |
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| Luca247 | tryied without codec packs and i can't play anything | 23:09 |
| Luca247 | yep i know it's weird... | 23:10 |
| Luca247 | some other codec i should install maybe? | 23:13 |
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