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| entil | heard about jolla getting funding, congrats! | 08:41 |
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| entil | so the tablets are shipping soon? | 08:42 |
| Nicd- | no | 08:44 |
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| Nicd- | they will meet after christmas to discuss tablets | 08:44 |
| Nicd- | but there will be more delays if they decide not to refund | 08:44 |
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| urs | well, in a way, the tablets *are* shipping. | 08:46 |
| urs | Just not to the people who ordered them, yet | 08:46 |
| entil | what does that mean urs? | 08:47 |
| urs | there's a chinese website selling them: http://world.taobao.com/item/525246736574.htm | 08:47 |
| entil | Nicd-: there will be so many people who are even more upset than currently if jolla puts the money into anything but shipping, but that shouldn't be news to anyone | 08:47 |
| urs | which might be a manufacturer selling surplus | 08:47 |
| urs | or maybe built but undelivered devices | 08:47 |
| entil | oh god :D | 08:48 |
| entil | "jolla defaulted on their bills so we're gonna sell these off" :D | 08:48 |
| urs | Anyway, a contract is a contract - if jolla doesn't go bankrupt, they'll ship... eventually. | 08:48 |
| entil | the problem is that indiegogo is fertile scam country, there's no contract to ship anything, but it's a dick move to not ship anything | 08:48 |
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| dirkvl_ | wait for blog post today, it will have all the infos | 08:51 |
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| entil | sure, and I'm really hoping there's nothing to this, and the tablets will get shipped, but indiegogo is what it is | 08:52 |
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| M-bobsummerwill | pdanek - Tizen has no support for Android. You may be thinking of ACL from OpenMobile, which is another third-party commercial "Android player" solution, like AlienDalvik, except that it is a lot shitter, from what I can determine. Near the launch of Samsung Z1 early this year, Samsung let an ACL-"powered" WhatsUpp into the Tizen Store for just a few months, until a Tizen native app was ready. That seemed | 08:59 |
| M-bobsummerwill | to be a one-off. There was never any flood of ACL apps. Looks like a defacto ban from Samsung. Apparently performance and battery drain was unacceptable. So Tizen is a wasteland for apps. | 08:59 |
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| lainwir3d | o/ | 09:17 |
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| tiwake | no blog post about jolla getting monies | 09:31 |
| tiwake | sadface | 09:31 |
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| the_mgt | tiwake: the rule is, they post the blog posts exactly 5 minutes after you stopped checking the site | 09:32 |
| tiwake | heh | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | basically yeah | 09:33 |
| tiwake | I check every once in a while | 09:33 |
| dr_gogeta86 | goodmorning Stskeeps | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | meh, not a good morning | 09:33 |
| * Mikaela follows the feed | 09:33 | |
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| coderus | i need rss for jolla blog. anyone? | 09:55 |
| coderus | oh, rss is there! so no need to F5 :D | 09:55 |
| Mikaela | 2015-12-18 11:57:42+0200 -- Notice(Euforia): (jolla [<number of headlines>]) -- Reports the titles for jolla at the RSS feed <https://blog.jolla.com/feed/>. If <number of headlines> is given, returns only that many headlines. RSS feeds are only looked up every supybot.plugins.RSS.waitPeriod seconds, which defaults to 1800 (30 minutes) since that's what most websites prefer. | 09:58 |
| pp_ | or just trust that someone here does F5 for you | 09:58 |
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| coderus | i'm not hurry to read blog post before everyone | 10:15 |
| coderus | 30 min is okay | 10:15 |
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| ggabriel | sledges: yeah, I can go for a quick meetup, whereabouts are you thinking? | 10:23 |
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| kimmoli | lets test this... | 10:36 |
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| kimmoli | Hello blogmonbot | 10:36 |
| blogmonbot | Hello! I'll keep an eye on https://blog.jolla.com/ changes. | 10:36 |
| Yaniel | Mikaela: any idea which of the rss scripts for weechat is best/recommended atm? | 10:37 |
| Mikaela | Yaniel: no, I use bot for rss feeds | 10:37 |
| Yaniel | okay | 10:38 |
| Yaniel | guess I'll try weemustfeed first then because of its name :D | 10:38 |
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| entil | the big question on my mind is whether or not the original jolla coders have new jobs or if they're still available | 10:56 |
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| sledges | ggabriel: The Cut at noon -> http://www.tasrestaurants.co.uk/our-branchs | 11:14 |
| sledges | see you there! ;) | 11:14 |
| ggabriel | uhm... you sure that link is right? | 11:15 |
| sledges | ggabriel: their website is down | 11:19 |
| sledges | google for the cut london tas restaurant | 11:19 |
| sledges | Address: 33 The Cut, London SE1 8LF | 11:19 |
| sledges | Tas Restaurant Waterloo | 11:19 |
| ggabriel | yeah, ok, I must know it | 11:19 |
| ggabriel | will be there at 12.00 :) | 11:20 |
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| kimmoli | hmm | 12:30 |
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| tbr | https://blog.jolla.com/jolla-back-business/ | 13:03 |
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| Smar | ooooh, they finally got some good press pictures | 13:04 |
| Smar | and someone who knows how to write those press releases... :) | 13:05 |
| entil | if someone knew how to write press releases it'd have more info on the tablets than "we don't have anything on that yet" | 13:07 |
| Smar | that one cleverly dodges that question in my eyes :) | 13:07 |
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| Bysmyyr | nothing new actually, but maybe enought good things still from yesterday | 13:07 |
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| entil | "the tablet hardware is only a platform for the software." reads almost as "fuck your indiegogo participation" | 13:09 |
| entil | anyway, hope it works out | 13:10 |
| Scelt | entil: noticed the same. not so through-thought words | 13:10 |
| Smar | entil: they’ve started to think like a company, neglecting growing possibilities of a company in order to stubbornly stick with satisfying old customers is not good strategy :P | 13:11 |
| Smar | i.e. they need to get the tablets to everyone, not only to igg backers | 13:11 |
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| ggabriel | i thikn there's enough info about the tablets... it's good they'll work in a plan to deliver then | 13:13 |
| ggabriel | altho antii also said that refunds may be an option, which is sad | 13:13 |
| entil | a much better spin would be to say, lie if required, that having to change the screen in mid-development was more costly and harder to predict than the 2.0 project and that 2.0 was required for the screen and make it clear that delivering on the igg campaign is the top priority | 13:13 |
| ggabriel | and, harsh as it is, antii is right wrt the tablet hw is just a platform... igg campaign did say that we were also getting sfos 2.0 | 13:13 |
| ggabriel | i'd rather the truth than a lie | 13:13 |
| entil | igg also says nothing is a purchase | 13:13 |
| ggabriel | it is accurate that hw is not the issue here | 13:13 |
| Smar | igg is also essentially a donation | 13:14 |
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| ggabriel | true, a donation towards tablet+sfos 2.0 | 13:14 |
| ggabriel | if anybody thought that the sw part was the easiest part, then they just don't know how this works | 13:14 |
| entil | the brutal truth is "you backed through igg, deal with it" but sometimes a more political approach is warranted | 13:14 |
| ggabriel | which is fair enough | 13:14 |
| Smar | entil: they never said they won’t make the tablets, did they? | 13:14 |
| fennekki | I'm mostly annoyed by people who went "well you could've made the OS and shipped the tablet later!!!!" because they kinda feel like the same people who would've complained at getting an useless, half-baked port of the OS for their tablets | 13:15 |
| entil | they implied they would make the tablets and that's why people are upset, but there's nothing about igg that guarantees anything | 13:15 |
| fennekki | err | 13:15 |
| fennekki | correction: shipped the tablet and made the OS later | 13:15 |
| fennekki | what the hell did I just type | 13:15 |
| ggabriel | fennekki: well, those people need a car analogy | 13:16 |
| entil | at least there's a blog post, now we wait tight | 13:16 |
| ggabriel | give me the car, i'll be able to start it later | 13:16 |
| ggabriel | wtf | 13:16 |
| fennekki | yeah pretty much | 13:16 |
| entil | fennekki: really? like probably thousands of people expecting something tangible and hearing that there's an update for a phone that's not even for sale in the united states instead | 13:16 |
| fennekki | entil: I'm saying they wouldn't have been happy even with the opposite outcome of "well, we have our tablets but they' | 13:17 |
| fennekki | re hardly usable" | 13:17 |
| anYc | blog update \o/ | 13:17 |
| fennekki | which is an equally *valid* thing to be angry about | 13:17 |
| entil | I disagree, but whatever | 13:17 |
| entil | I get where you're coming from but the software update is worthless to people who can't use it | 13:18 |
| fennekki | And undoubtedly some of them would've also complained that the OS should actually have been made to work before shipping the tablets | 13:18 |
| ggabriel | I don't know what the deets are about the finance round, but I do think that the priority now should be getting resources (ie people) back | 13:18 |
| ggabriel | else you'll do less than half of what you used to do | 13:18 |
| entil | yeah, that's a major concern either way | 13:18 |
| entil | but imo shipping the tablets should be even more important, or give very clear rules on how to refund and then ship to the people who don't want a refund, because sailfish is completely usable as it is | 13:19 |
| entil | this is all worthless either way, there are powers that be at jolla who make the decisions no matter how people powered they are | 13:19 |
| ggabriel | nah, it isn't more important | 13:19 |
| ggabriel | whoever invested is not interested in the tablets | 13:19 |
| fennekki | IDK maybe the "software development" part of the cost rundown should've said "paying our employees" and that would've been clearer | 13:19 |
| ggabriel | it's important to me, but not for the board i'm afraid | 13:19 |
| fennekki | or, not, as it stands :V | 13:19 |
| lainwir3d | nice blog post | 13:20 |
| ggabriel | fennekki: isn't that obvious though? | 13:20 |
| fennekki | but like, the usability of Sailfish would've probably been an issue re stuff they need on the x86 tablet as opposed to the ARM phone | 13:20 |
| entil | yeah, my opinion is not the opinion of the powers that be, but the powers that be need to take opinions into consideration lest they risk a boycott or something similar | 13:20 |
| fennekki | ggabriel: probably not! | 13:20 |
| ggabriel | entil: boycott? really? | 13:20 |
| entil | well, if they had products to sell ":D" | 13:21 |
| entil | :P | 13:21 |
| ggabriel | but they don't clearly | 13:21 |
| ggabriel | and their partner in .cn f*cked them up too | 13:21 |
| entil | I just hope they avoid getting bad karma for this | 13:21 |
| ggabriel | which was half expected ofc | 13:21 |
| ggabriel | well, there will be options | 13:21 |
| ggabriel | hopefully not a refund one | 13:21 |
| ggabriel | as a refund will be a partial refund, and I'll end up with no toy ;) | 13:22 |
| entil | and I don't know, if the link from before was the partner selling igg-backed tablets it might be them fucking up jolla, but if the contract said that they get to keep the tablets if they're not paid by a due date it's a question of contract law and probably nothing dishonest | 13:22 |
| entil | or more dishonest | 13:22 |
| entil | but we don't have the facts | 13:22 |
| entil | (or I don't know if we do, I don't :P) | 13:22 |
| Smar | well, one of problems there was with the tablet that they constantly promised hard date and then pushed it back | 13:23 |
| lainwir3d | wait, didn't everyone get their tablets already ? | 13:24 |
| Smar | :P | 13:24 |
| * lainwir3d loves repetition jokes | 13:24 | |
| lainwir3d | that being said, I guess pretty angry comments are incoming in the blog post, even though that's pretty much good news. | 13:25 |
| ggabriel | I was glad to scroll half way through the lats time and only started seeing the comments there | 13:25 |
| ggabriel | and I find it funny that some people thought that all this was because of jolla's communication strategy | 13:26 |
| entil | yeah, but it's like the worst possible phrasing for good news ever | 13:26 |
| lainwir3d | :-) | 13:26 |
| ggabriel | rather than just funding | 13:26 |
| ggabriel | after reading a tjc of a guy whose couldn't deal with his nervous state because of a tablet, i believe in anything | 13:26 |
| ggabriel | who couldn't* | 13:26 |
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| lainwir3d | :D | 13:28 |
| ggabriel | oh, light comments about "let me install sfos in [any device]" are quite funny too | 13:29 |
| locusf | yeah sure, the tablet doesn't need optimization from the os, sure ... | 13:29 |
| locusf | sfos 1.x was portrait-only | 13:29 |
| locusf | how would you have liked your tablet like that? | 13:30 |
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| lainwir3d | and apparently, it was portrait that didn't even scale properly to big screens | 13:33 |
| lainwir3d | so I'd have been weird looking portrait | 13:33 |
| lainwir3d | (maybe) | 13:33 |
| locusf | yes | 13:34 |
| locusf | ie. disaster | 13:34 |
| fennekki | 1.x was also made primarily for ARM | 13:34 |
| locusf | not true | 13:34 |
| fennekki | there was an x86 port but I dunno how much it liked real hardware | 13:34 |
| locusf | emulator is always x86 | 13:35 |
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| fennekki | I am aware | 13:35 |
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| fennekki | but it's an emulator | 13:35 |
| locusf | mer has toolchains for x86 | 13:35 |
| locusf | with latest jolla packages | 13:35 |
| locusf | porting was not impossible | 13:35 |
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| fennekki | mmm | 13:36 |
| locusf | I've got p3110, which has forced landscape framebuffer | 13:36 |
| locusf | 1.x was pretty much unusable on it | 13:37 |
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| plfiorini | the tablet had a lot of emphasis (the first crowdfunded tablet), of course it needs an OS. now we have the OS and no tablet, some people are pissed off for this reason. | 13:53 |
| plfiorini | saying that the tablet doesn't matter is wrong | 13:53 |
| plfiorini | they both matter, without a tablet it seems a half failed project to me as a bakcer | 13:54 |
| andybranson | the OS is more important than the tablet though, no? | 13:54 |
| locusf | forking sfos for tablet and phone would have been pretty much insane | 13:54 |
| plfiorini | then it should have been a crowdfunding campaign for sfos2 | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | personally i think those who wants it, should get a refund, at this point | 13:55 |
| plfiorini | it was clearily a compain to bring sfos to the tablet and deliver a new device | 13:55 |
| plfiorini | fair enough | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | (and don't use that i have that opinion against jolla) | 13:55 |
| andybranson | agree, quite a few people are still keen on waiting to see, but there's no sense letting the others get more and more angry | 13:56 |
| locusf | sure | 13:56 |
| locusf | the amount of butthurt is palpable | 13:56 |
| locusf | since people thought it was a webshop | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | and any next crowdfunding projects should be done with an ethereum smart contract | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:57 |
| andybranson | ofc there's also the people who actually did order it from the webshop | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | sure | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | and that's a different situation, legally viable for a refund | 13:57 |
| andybranson | yep | 13:57 |
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| andybranson | any news of the sailors overboard, or is it too early? | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | dunno | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | this hasn't been a nice situation for anybody | 13:59 |
| andybranson | i wonder if they'll be continuing a bit smaller than before, now that getting into a self-sustaining state is a lot more urgent than before | 13:59 |
| andybranson | i can't imagine. makes me cross to see people complaining about their tablets when people haven't been paid and are losing their jobs | 14:00 |
| andybranson | are there many who won't want to go back? | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | you'd have to ask those who has left | 14:00 |
| andybranson | sure | 14:00 |
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| Stskeeps | i'll continue as a consultant personally, hoping for some work with jolla as well | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | but that's not because of the situation that was | 14:00 |
| andybranson | good to hear | 14:00 |
| andybranson | i hope they blow a little whistle when you come aboard :) | 14:01 |
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| Sidde | We didn't have such happy months when Ericsson started to kill us off. Peoples coffee breaks got longer and longer. Eventually the entire office got relocated to another continent and everybody stopped working. Then Ericsson wanted to have a few people back | 14:02 |
| Sidde | very very very few even bothered to come back | 14:02 |
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| Sidde | I can imagine what's going on in peoples heads | 14:03 |
| andybranson | cybette seemed very positive about wanting to continue sailing when she left. and that post on tjc from the dev was really touching. | 14:04 |
| andybranson | i get the feeling that there wasn't a lot of animosity as yet | 14:04 |
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| andybranson | i hope not anyway, because sailfish rocks! | 14:04 |
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| Stskeeps | not to mention that we've had 3 years of fast-paced startu plife | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:05 |
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| pdanek | How many people already left Jolla? | 14:08 |
| tbr | Jolla Ltd. closes its C investment round and secures new financing to the company - https://cdn.jolla.com/wp-content/uploads/bsk-pdf-manager/ENG_Jolla_Investment_press_release_Dec2015_FINAL2_63.pdf | 14:08 |
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| coderus | blogpost is..nothing. in short: "we're still alive, but no details. please come back later" | 14:16 |
| andybranson | i think there are important hints that jolla won't just revert back to what it was before | 14:17 |
| ggabriel | coderus: didn't you also read "this funding is mostly for sfos dev and licenses, don't expect much on the tablet side"? | 14:17 |
| coderus | ggabriel: so what? | 14:18 |
| andybranson | yep. i wondered if that was a condition of the investment even | 14:18 |
| ggabriel | nothing :) | 14:18 |
| Stskeeps | that investors want sailfishos to be the primary activity, not hardware, kinda makes sense | 14:18 |
| coderus | that investors :D | 14:19 |
| ggabriel | andybranson: as an investor you don't want to invest on a company that will have bad publicity, so I _guess_ that jolla is pressed to fix the tablet issue | 14:19 |
| andybranson | it has to be self-sustaining | 14:19 |
| coderus | dont care about stuck tablets and upset customers, for sure | 14:19 |
| ggabriel | just not a priority | 14:19 |
| tbr | well hardware business was declared dead before the first tablet shipped and jolla has been always emphasizing their software business and hw just as showcase | 14:19 |
| andybranson | ggabriel: yep and i think offering refunds will manage that just fine | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | coderus: i'm fairly sure that having a pissed off user community doesn't help anybody | 14:19 |
| ggabriel | andybranson: I suspect refunds will be partial, mind | 14:20 |
| MoritzJT | Well it would certainly help the competition :D | 14:20 |
| coderus | Stskeeps: just curious if any of investors are care of customers :D | 14:20 |
| ggabriel | lol, I think the community this far is mostly pissed off anyway | 14:20 |
| ggabriel | investors care about their money making more money | 14:20 |
| andybranson | a lot of people aren't pissed off. they're just quiet | 14:20 |
| ggabriel | they're waiting... | 14:20 |
| andybranson | i know three people who are waiting for tablets, but sympathise with jolla and have pretty much written the money off | 14:21 |
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| coderus | so, new year gift is refund? | 14:21 |
| ggabriel | andybranson: add me to your list :P | 14:21 |
| andybranson | i'm not even sure they'd take a refund if offered | 14:21 |
| andybranson | :) | 14:21 |
| ggabriel | i prefer the tablet, it'd be nice | 14:21 |
| ggabriel | well, i could avoid taking my laptop on certain situations, which would be quite nice | 14:22 |
| andybranson | i hope they get out, because it's lovely and deserves to have enough people hacking around with it | 14:22 |
| ggabriel | otherwise i don't really care | 14:22 |
| Moe | Lovely products don't make a business case .. ask the fine people at Palm | 14:22 |
| andybranson | right now it'll get forgotten. no-one will build for it if there's only a couple of hundred out there | 14:22 |
| andybranson | sure - i wouldn't argue for it to be prioritized from a business point of view now | 14:23 |
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| andybranson | depends on the difference in cost between manufacturing a tablet and refunding one... | 14:23 |
| MoritzJT | Well if we can be sure that there's not much development going into the tablet side of SFOS (along with Alien Dalvik) then I guess I could live with a refund better than with the product... | 14:24 |
| Moe | andybranson: Then it'll probably suffer the same fate as the HP Touchpad | 14:25 |
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| Moe | Right now, anything but a refund would be laughable .. the new investors obviously do not have faith in continuing Jolla's current tablet product line. Otherwise it would've been mentioned in the blog post/announcement. | 14:26 |
| MoritzJT | I wonder what happens to all the other stuff e.g. the lastu casings when you apply for a tablet refund... I do not think that can be refund too? Then I'd rather wait for the tablet | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | ooi, would there be any interest in sailfishos w/ alien dalvik and such for other arm tablets? | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | .. and if so, what would you pay for it | 14:28 |
| MoritzJT | well depends, would those SFOS ports support only basic hardware? | 14:28 |
| plfiorini | at this point refund is good, you can buy another device with that money and run sfos2 or something else on it | 14:28 |
| pp_ | MoritzJT: lastu didn't get their money, but shipped the cases | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | MoritzJT: well, nexus 5 is pretty good these days, as an example | 14:29 |
| pp_ | so it will be a mess | 14:29 |
| MoritzJT | or also stuff like the samsung note 2 | 14:29 |
| MoritzJT | with the cool multitouch and stylus input | 14:29 |
| MoritzJT | because then productivity would make sense. but the interfacing with android apps that support it and alien dalvik will never work | 14:29 |
| MoritzJT | because myriad will not put any effort into it | 14:30 |
| MoritzJT | I don't think I can give a good answer to you stskeeps. a student with limited funds can't give you a good sample :D | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | just curious | 14:30 |
| MoritzJT | if I was working already I might tell you what I'd pay | 14:30 |
| coderus | Stskeeps: if full hw acceleration i'd pay $100 | 14:31 |
| MoritzJT | I think it's worth more than $100 but I would not be able to pay more... make a student offer :D | 14:32 |
| andybranson | i think people would pay for it on their phones as well | 14:32 |
| pp_ | "Multitask! Get two tablets!" is a real competitor | 14:32 |
| MoritzJT | when we really can use it to go off the grid security and privacy wise | 14:32 |
| MoritzJT | then yes. | 14:32 |
| andybranson | putting sailfish on an old phone with dalvik would give it a good speedup | 14:32 |
| MoritzJT | if the baseband stuff remains closed and we're not actually in possession of the HW I wouldn't even install SFOS to it | 14:32 |
| pp_ | I'd say more like 40-50e | 14:33 |
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| coderus | is there jolla tablet with sailfishos removed from taobao? | 14:43 |
| pp_ | still available! http://world.taobao.com/item/525246736574.htm | 14:44 |
| cybette | andybranson: i'd go back in a heartbeat for the people I work(ed) with and for sailfish os. however there are other factors involved as well. | 14:47 |
| coderus | pp_: this one with android not sfos | 14:47 |
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| andybranson | cybette: thanks for the info. i hope it all comes out good. | 15:00 |
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| cybette | andybranson: thanks, me too :) | 15:02 |
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| pdanek | Techcrunch says that company may only be able to bring back cca half of the 100 employees. | 15:49 |
| pdanek | So Sailfish development will be pushed by several months now by having to hire teams again and get them know the product? | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | these kind of death valleys aren't easy | 15:50 |
| lainwir3d | Well, I might be looking for another job :P | 15:52 |
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| pdanek | Stskeeps: finances don't mean anything if you don't have people | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | sure, but if you don't have money, you don't have people either | 15:54 |
| pdanek | Startups are usually strong people-wise and finances is only to keep them fed. | 15:54 |
| pdanek | So now Jolla has money, but lacking on people. | 15:54 |
| pdanek | So I would be skeptical thinking that all is good now with financing, that company is saved. | 15:54 |
| pdanek | It will be clear after a year or so if company is really saved. | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | just like it was dead last week :P | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | i love the people i've worked with, but i have to be honest, there's a lot of talents out there in the world, for a scaling company, if there's jobs to be had. | 15:55 |
| pdanek | If Jolla can't restore the development speed, they will be lacking more and more behind competition, right? | 15:55 |
| pdanek | right | 15:55 |
| pdanek | Stskeeps: so you think Jolla is still great opportunity to be in scaling company? | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | think so | 15:56 |
| pdanek | and to become part of something big in the future? | 15:56 |
| pdanek | right | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | i have my own opinions where mobile should go, but for the current state of the market, it has good possibilities, if it's not in survival mode | 15:57 |
| pdanek | Stskeeps: can you share your opinions? or only in form of paid consultancy? :D | 15:57 |
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| Stskeeps | you'll see eventually | 15:57 |
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| pdanek | Stskeeps: nooooooooooooooooo, I need to know now | 16:00 |
| pdanek | :D | 16:00 |
| pdanek | Stskeeps: Btw, do you think Google and Apple will remain leaders and even strengthen their positions, or their share will start to shrink slowly over next years? | 16:01 |
| Stskeeps | being a duopoly or monopoly is not good for innovation | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | even google couldn't get google+ popular :) | 16:02 |
| phlixi_o | pdanek: jolla is "lacking behind" others for years already, it dosnt matter if they lack behind 5 years, or 5.5 years... | 16:03 |
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| Stskeeps | you people should read the book 'the circle' | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:04 |
| ggabriel | i think it's the other way around, phlixi_o | 16:05 |
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| ggabriel | are electric cards lagging behind because nobody uses them? or is it the other way around? | 16:05 |
| yestoall | Apple/Google arent leading, they have mir userland blingbling but the overall concept of big brothering their users is flawed | 16:06 |
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| phlixi_o | i can not see a relation of e car usage and the fact that ios/android is orders of magnitude ahead of sailfish | 16:09 |
| yestoall | define ahead in what way :-) | 16:13 |
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| ggabriel | phlixi_o: but what is your definition of being ahead? sfos does a lot of things that android/ios can only do in their wet dreams | 16:14 |
| yestoall | does ios run on a Fairphone? | 16:15 |
| ggabriel | if being ahead is userbase or having whatsapp, well.... back to car analogy | 16:15 |
| ggabriel | ios runs only on bending devices | 16:15 |
| phlixi_o | bla bla | 16:15 |
| yestoall | does ios leave my music library alone? | 16:15 |
| phlixi_o | ios and android are mature systems | 16:15 |
| ggabriel | phlixi_o: sorry, but I disagree | 16:15 |
| ggabriel | an os that can't do multitasking in 2015 is not mature | 16:16 |
| ggabriel | so there you go | 16:16 |
| phlixi_o | sailfish os lacks basic features | 16:16 |
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| ggabriel | so do android and ios | 16:16 |
| ggabriel | people put up with the gap, that's all | 16:16 |
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| pdanek | hmmmm | 16:17 |
| phlixi_o | ios and android both have advanced methods of doing multitasking. its just that you have to care about as developer. and for a good reason. for battery life. | 16:17 |
| phlixi_o | its is a design desicion, not a lack of maturuty | 16:17 |
| pdanek | phlixi: I agree! | 16:17 |
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| pdanek | TMavica: you're alive! | 16:18 |
| pdanek | :D | 16:18 |
| TMavica_ | lol. | 16:18 |
| TMavica_ | i use irccloud before so it keeps online | 16:19 |
| pdanek | TMavica: :D | 16:19 |
| TMavica_ | seem i disconnected that i dont know | 16:19 |
| pdanek | Have you seen my email please? | 16:19 |
| ggabriel | phlixi_o: pfff "advanced multitasking" when you can't leave a for loop running in a terminal on its own | 16:19 |
| TMavica_ | saw. arrange later again..sorry | 16:20 |
| pdanek | np, just to know you got it | 16:20 |
| pdanek | thanks | 16:20 |
| TMavica_ | i disconnect soon, I need fly | 16:21 |
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| pdanek | fly high | 16:21 |
| phlixi_o | ggabriel a terminal? are you kidding me? | 16:23 |
| ggabriel | phlixi_o: no, i'm not. oh, that reminds me: an os that hasn't got a terminal is behind, well, windows 95 | 16:23 |
| ggabriel | for reference, ios came with a terminal in 1.0, then they removed it | 16:24 |
| ggabriel | what is worth pointing out is that your appreciation of being ahead or behind is highly subjective | 16:24 |
| ggabriel | so is mine, of course | 16:24 |
| phlixi_o | nope | 16:24 |
| phlixi_o | then i wouldnt use sailfish | 16:25 |
| phlixi_o | i am not sure if you are trolling me | 16:25 |
| phlixi_o | because you already said ios had it not 5 , buit 9 years ago | 16:25 |
| phlixi_o | ios had terminal 2007 | 16:25 |
| phlixi_o | wow | 16:26 |
| phlixi_o | where is sailfish ahead now? | 16:26 |
| phlixi_o | ggabriel: please wakre up | 16:26 |
| phlixi_o | ios and android is way more mature | 16:26 |
| phlixi_o | stop lying to your self | 16:26 |
| ggabriel | ios does _not_ have a terminal today | 16:27 |
| ggabriel | android never had [out of the box] | 16:27 |
| phlixi_o | so does sailfish | 16:27 |
| ggabriel | nope, sfos does | 16:27 |
| ggabriel | out of the box | 16:27 |
| phlixi_o | you have to activate developer mode, | 16:27 |
| ggabriel | yes | 16:27 |
| ggabriel | where is the equivalent for ios/android? | 16:27 |
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| ggabriel | without rooting/losing warranty/etc? | 16:27 |
| phlixi_o | you are blind | 16:28 |
| ggabriel | i'm not trolling - i'm demonstrating that to me other things are important | 16:28 |
| phlixi_o | or a troll | 16:28 |
| ggabriel | no, I can see well | 16:28 |
| ggabriel | right | 16:28 |
| ggabriel | I asked you how you define "being ahead" and you provided nothing - I've given at least 2 examples | 16:28 |
| coderus | terminal emulator on android is easy, you dont need any root | 16:28 |
| phlixi_o | i was talking about MATURITY. you are talking about that your preffered featiured represents maturity, thats bullshit | 16:28 |
| ggabriel | and I mentioned many times things like ootb xmpp, centralised acct mgmt and so on | 16:28 |
| ninnnu | coderus: But you can't do much with it. Without rooting you'll just get "lol, filthy consumer" if you try to "ls /etc" | 16:29 |
| ggabriel | coderus: maybe I need to play more, but do I get root and such? access to android fs? or just a sandbox | 16:29 |
| ggabriel | phlixi_o: ok, semantics, define maturity | 16:30 |
| ninnnu | which was where I decided to not buy Android | 16:30 |
| ggabriel | phlixi_o: where is xmpp ootb in both ios and android? | 16:30 |
| coderus | ggabriel: sandbox of course :) | 16:30 |
| coderus | but most phones have root adb terminal! | 16:30 |
| kimmoli | TMavica: you are alive still | 16:30 |
| phlixi_o | sailfish is lacking basic features on all ends. if yoiu dusagree, go to tjc, sort for votes, and for every single item ask yoursef if this is a problem on abndroid(ios | 16:30 |
| ggabriel | phlixi_o: ok, so you first tell me that I am talking about features and not maturity; now you are talking about features and fail to define maturity | 16:31 |
| ggabriel | so I don't know who is trolling :) | 16:31 |
| phlixi_o | i am not wasting any more time ... | 16:32 |
| * kimmoli just got mi popcorn | 16:32 | |
| pdanek | ggabriel: if you write terminal app which can run in the background on android, it will | 16:33 |
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| ggabriel | pdanek: there's an interesting post about that in tmo :) you have to do a number of things that, well, are overkill | 16:33 |
| pdanek | and if it's just app or part of OS, who cares? everything being preinstalled part of OS can be considered as bloatware by some | 16:33 |
| pdanek | so Terminal can be bloatware for some | 16:33 |
| pdanek | hm | 16:34 |
| ggabriel | arguably terminal isn't preinstalled | 16:34 |
| kimmoli | actually it's not preinstalled | 16:34 |
| ggabriel | you have to switch on dev mode and you get terminal+root | 16:34 |
| ggabriel | kimmoli: don't type in tohkbc while eating popcorn :P | 16:35 |
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| attah | Stskeeps: re: willingness to pay, SFOS+Aliendalvik incl. working gmscore €100/phone lifetime, or €50 per year easily | 17:05 |
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| baum | gz on the recovery :) | 17:09 |
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| baum | kinda wondering: newly ordered tablets won't ship before christmas right? | 17:12 |
| phlixi_o | lol | 17:13 |
| baum | just noticed your state on the kickstarter tablets....that kinda answered my question | 17:14 |
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| phlixi_o | if there are tablets at all, then not this year | 17:14 |
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| phlixi_o | (expect those few that laread ygot one, dont know, in october?) | 17:15 |
| baum | i see, too bad | 17:15 |
| phlixi_o | ...already got one... | 17:15 |
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