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| locusf | dunp: thanks :) | 04:37 |
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| tore_ | anyone else experiencing a lot of random reboots since upgrading to 1.1.9.28? | 06:34 |
| pp | you have the magic duct tape? | 06:35 |
| SQUelcher | none at all here | 06:35 |
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| tbr | screw duct tape, paper snippets, etc. cleaning contact surfaces is the real issue | 06:40 |
| tbr | reseating the battery to "check the tape/paper/foo" also slightly cleans the surface by friction, hence you may see minor improvement by that. might as well skip that tape and just reseat the battery 20 times. | 06:42 |
| * pp has the official one from optimaservice :-) | 06:47 | |
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| tore_ | hm. seems a bit unlikely that a software upgrade would degrade the contact | 07:09 |
| tore_ | also it happens when a charging cable is connected | 07:10 |
| andybranson | swiss bus tickets ftw | 07:10 |
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| * pahartik_ notices that "Sailfish Linux 1.1.7.28" has configuration dialog to change between physical keyboard layouts, but switching between "English" and "Finnish" seems to have no effect | 07:32 | |
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| PaulePanter | Hi. My touch screen on the Jolla phone seems damaged. | 07:32 |
| Nicd- | pahartik_: using tohkbd? you need 1.1.9 | 07:32 |
| pahartik_ | Nicd-: This is with "Logitech K811" | 07:34 |
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| PaulePanter | Especially at the spot where the connect button for new WLANs is, so I am unable to connect. :( | 07:36 |
| PaulePanter | Is there another way to set up a WLAN connection, where maybe the button is at a different spot? | 07:36 |
| kimmoli | pahartik_: it is not working on 1.1.7.28, in 1.1.9.* it should work. (also with BT keyboard) | 07:37 |
| PaulePanter | Do I need to send my phone in for repair? | 07:38 |
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| pahartik_ | kimmoli: Acknowledged, just upgraded to this version during night | 07:43 |
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| lainwir3d | o/ | 07:50 |
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| andybranson | PaulePanter: has your phone been physically damaged? did you do a very cold reset (shut down, remove battery, have a cup of tea, replace battery)? | 07:55 |
| Pawky | am I the only one with the oppinion Jollas website is a perfekt example of a horrible user unfriendly site? | 07:58 |
| Pawky | its totally bonkers and screams "we do not want you here unless you buy something" | 07:58 |
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| PaulePanter | andybranson: It was dropped once a long time ago. But after that everything worked and it only stopped behaving weiredly now. | 07:59 |
| PaulePanter | Pawky: URL? | 07:59 |
| Pawky | www.jolla.com ? | 08:00 |
| PaulePanter | Pawky: Hmm, there is the navigation bar at the top. | 08:00 |
| Pawky | yes, but imagine you want to contact support by example... | 08:00 |
| PaulePanter | Pawky: I am not there that often, but I didn’t have the feeling that it is unfriendly. | 08:00 |
| Pawky | try it.. | 08:00 |
| PaulePanter | Pawky: Leads me to https://jolla.com/support/. | 08:01 |
| Pawky | then try to login to your account, and figure out where you can look at your open issues | 08:01 |
| Pawky | yes... so how do you contact them... by phone for example? | 08:01 |
| PaulePanter | https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us | 08:01 |
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| PaulePanter | Pawky: No idea. I do not know if they offer phone support. | 08:02 |
| Pawky | maybe not... but what do they offer, can you clearly see it? | 08:02 |
| Pawky | you only get some common QA's | 08:02 |
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| Pawky | so.. you might have an account (if lucky)... now you want to quickly access it. Where to go? | 08:02 |
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| PaulePanter | Pawky: I see. Sorry, I am unable to help you here. | 08:03 |
| Pawky | PaulePanter: there you go then, you have just proven my point :-D | 08:03 |
| Pawky | The only way (I have found at least) to actually go and login to your current open tickets is to click support, then scroll down find a red box further down saying "Visit our help senter" (which doesnt really look like something to be pressed), and then you get to log in. | 08:06 |
| Pawky | So, you sign in... ok? what to do now.. where are my open tickets? | 08:07 |
| Pawky | you have to actually click on your own name (a pull down) where you find "My activities"... What activities? when is one ever to talk about tickets as activities??... | 08:08 |
| Pawky | there you will find your tickets, with the subject text being in light turquose against a white background. not to easy to read. | 08:09 |
| Pawky | I presume they must have had some summer apprentice working there when creating this site.. | 08:10 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | http://reviewjolla.blogspot.it/2015/10/news-update-sailfish-os-secure-phone.html | 12:23 |
| dr_gogeta86 | so exist the successor of sbj-1301 | 12:23 |
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| tbr | meh, bunch of hot air | 12:47 |
| kimmoli | tbr: depends is it "hot as fart" or "afterburner hot" | 12:48 |
| tbr | kimmoli: in both cases I wouldn't want to stand too close to that. ;-þ | 12:49 |
| kimmoli | it is kinda mandatory, in case if it's your own fart | 12:50 |
| tbr | sailfish smoke, don't breathe! </mr-blendtec> | 12:50 |
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| lainwir3d | haha | 13:20 |
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| pdanek | Sailfish Secure | 17:32 |
| pdanek | the hype!!! | 17:32 |
| Coolg33k | ? | 17:32 |
| dirkvl | OMG | 17:32 |
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| pdanek | :D | 17:32 |
| dirkvl | it is so amazing | 17:32 |
| dirkvl | so much info about it | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | dirkvl: sailfish secure is obviously everything you want it to be | 17:33 |
| pdanek | Comparing to info Jolla / Sailfish info in general, yes it is. :D | 17:33 |
| Tegu | does this imply that the normal sailfish is insecure? | 17:33 |
| dirkvl | ha! | 17:33 |
| dirkvl | yes it does | 17:33 |
| pdanek | Tegu: everyone knows it's insecure | 17:33 |
| Tegu | :) | 17:34 |
| dirkvl | http://www.vdkroft.nl/now/c_images/external/4905.jpg | 17:34 |
| Tegu | ? | 17:34 |
| pdanek | Tegu: that's representation of security of SFOS | 17:35 |
| Tegu | ah | 17:35 |
| Tegu | :) | 17:35 |
| dirkvl | holes | 17:35 |
| dirkvl | leak | 17:35 |
| Tegu | I see | 17:35 |
| Tegu | now | 17:35 |
| pdanek | maybe they claim that they don't spy, so better privacy | 17:35 |
| pdanek | but same you can get with custom roms in android | 17:36 |
| pdanek | and get much better security | 17:36 |
| dirkvl | yeah | 17:36 |
| dirkvl | android ´secure´ | 17:36 |
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| dirkvl | :p | 17:36 |
| pdanek | who wants secure OS, SFOS isn't it :D | 17:36 |
| pdanek | I'm even surprised, why SElinux wasn't from the very beginning? | 17:37 |
| pdanek | if new OS from scratch, why avoid RBAC? | 17:37 |
| pdanek | now it takes much more work to bring it to existing OS in production without impact | 17:37 |
| pdanek | you don't need experts from SSH Communications to implement RBAC in Sailfish I guess | 17:38 |
| pdanek | but that's more question to Stskeeps regarding Mer maybe :D | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | 'it seemed like a good idea at the time' | 17:40 |
| tbr | you mean "mer still merging after almost two years"? | 17:40 |
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| r0kk3rz | surely there comes a point where its not 'merging' anymore and its more 'stalled' | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | well, stalled is not the case atm, lbt's working hard: All Watched Over By Machines of Loving Grace | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | err.. no | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | https://git.merproject.org/dashboard/activity | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | while i'm obviously fucking about and watching documentaries | 17:50 |
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| * lbt points to http://www.merproject.org/dash2//repo/merproject.org/mer-core.html too | 17:50 | |
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| r0kk3rz | The Use and Abuse of Vegetational Concepts | 17:53 |
| r0kk3rz | theres a heading i didnt expect to find | 17:53 |
| r0kk3rz | thanks Stskeeps | 17:53 |
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| pp | selinux alone doesn't help, you have trustzone, tpm and all that lovelyness | 18:12 |
| pp | + in the end what you're worried about are ipsec keys that shouldn't leak out of the device (that let you say find all personal details for any citizen or whatnot) | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | if you guys are bored, watch https://recode.net/2015/10/07/microsofts-collapse-and-facebooks-mobile-domination-in-two-charts/ (the video a little further down) | 18:13 |
| pp | or in another sector, set coordinates for some ordnance to be delivered to | 18:14 |
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| r0kk3rz | i still think perhaps the root of it all is the fact that we want to run applications which we don't trust for the sake of convenience | 18:25 |
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| rigo | r0kk3rz: yes, like android apps. Sandbox them and give users control over that sandbox | 19:11 |
| rigo | most people I know would know what to do. They know that their calendar app doesn't need internet. So give them a way to cut it off | 19:12 |
| rigo | the thing that will never ever work is that devs here can anticipate all the uses and security considerations needed by all the folks out there wanting to use the device | 19:13 |
| rigo | but jolla can provide nice building blocks, like lego | 19:13 |
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| r0kk3rz | rigo: i dont think that solves the fundamental issue though, which is using untrustworthy applications | 19:15 |
| r0kk3rz | because otherwise it just turns into a bit of an arms race | 19:16 |
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| Yaniel | ...my calendar does need internet though | 19:29 |
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| phlixi | yep, mine too. it actually does not make any sense without. on the other hand, it only needs exactly one URL | 19:49 |
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