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| tadzik | Hnm, can I add new calendars to calendar? | 08:17 |
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| tadzik | Or import .ics to something else than my Personal? | 08:17 |
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| tadzik | Oh, I merely have to add.it to sqlite. How convenient) | 08:24 |
| Yaniel | oh the sarcasm | 08:25 |
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| inte | while does zypper keep asking me for password and login? Cant use it any more | 08:47 |
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| lainwir3d | o/ | 09:31 |
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| ggabriel | uhm... cryptsetup in mer-tools is rather old | 09:45 |
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| Mikaela | openssh also seems a little old, it only supports RSA and DSA keys and DSA keys have been deprecated. | 12:11 |
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| inte | there is a never version of openssh in openrepos i think | 12:21 |
| inte | however, that version doesnt work with ssh access control from coderus | 12:21 |
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| inte | i dont mind using older versions of ssh as long as they are not vulnerable | 12:21 |
| tigeli | Mikaela: I will update openssh at somepoint | 12:21 |
| tigeli | inte: yeah.. not known issues with it | 12:22 |
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| Mikaela | I don't have issue with not vulnerable either, but more secure would be also nice | 12:22 |
| Mikaela | tigeli: will Jolla stop generating DSA keys at some point? | 12:22 |
| Mikaela | https://lists.mindrot.org/pipermail/openssh-unix-announce/2015-August/000122.html | 12:23 |
| tigeli | Mikaela: https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/openssh | 12:24 |
| Mikaela | you are suggesting me to PR https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/openssh/blob/master/sshd-hostkeys ? | 12:24 |
| inte | Mikaela: cant you force the ssh to generate RSA keys? | 12:25 |
| Mikaela | inte: it generates both RSA and DSA and I have manually disabled DSA, but new users will still get it and current users have it | 12:25 |
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| inte | i never made up my mind about that issue | 12:28 |
| inte | only using ssh for sshfs and on my local network | 12:28 |
| pp_ | you can also do ed22519 O:) | 12:29 |
| inte | how can i disable dsa? | 12:29 |
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| pp_ | https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Guidelines/OpenSSH or whatnot | 12:29 |
| pp_ | KexAlgorithms curve25519-sha256@libssh.org,diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha256 | 12:30 |
| pp_ | Ciphers chacha20-poly1305@openssh.com,aes256-gcm@openssh.com,aes128-gcm@openssh.com,aes256-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes128-ctr | 12:30 |
| pp_ | is what I have, also stops most bruteforce attempts :-) | 12:30 |
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| Mikaela | pp_: Ed25519 is too new for Jolla | 12:31 |
| Mikaela | inte: remove the line in /etc/ssh/sshd_config and remove the keys | 12:31 |
| inte | oh | 12:31 |
| inte | ok | 12:31 |
| inte | well | 12:31 |
| inte | maybe | 12:31 |
| Mikaela | -s | 12:32 |
| inte | im not in the mood generating new keys and reconfiguring all my computers for them :) | 12:32 |
| inte | at least not now | 12:32 |
| inte | once when im sleeples i might | 12:32 |
| Mikaela | you don't have to generate new keys as there is already the RSA key, you only remove the DSA one | 12:32 |
| Jare | also iirc some of those ciphers aren't available on sfos | 12:33 |
| Mikaela | and it's keys, not key, because there is private and public key | 12:33 |
| Jare | and that ciphers line will break the sdk compatibility (as will the newer openssh from openrepos by default) | 12:33 |
| inte | Jare: oh thanks! I was only wondering why i couldnt connect to my phone through the sdk!! | 12:34 |
| inte | THATS good news! | 12:34 |
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| inte | reverted to the genuine jolla version already for a different reason, but THAT is good to know!! | 12:35 |
| pp_ | it falls back to aes256-ctr (and dh-sha256), which works | 12:40 |
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| zett_zelett | Is it common for Jolla support to take 3-4 days to answer? | 12:47 |
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| Stskeeps | zett_zelett: it depends on the case and the time of year | 12:49 |
| zett_zelett | This time of year, cancelling an order. | 12:49 |
| Mikaela | and "account needs updating" again, this time I did change my password though | 12:52 |
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| zett_zelett | Oh, yeah. Great. The order has not been canceled, but shipped. :/ | 13:03 |
| zett_zelett | “If you have any questions regarding the shipment, please contact .” :/ | 13:04 |
| zett_zelett | I feel trolled by Jolla. | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | can still return? | 13:05 |
| zett_zelett | I hope. | 13:06 |
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| ggabriel | zett_zelett: I don't know what your experience with online shopping is, but often when a website doesn't have a "cancel" button on the page, the confirmed order gets shipped | 13:10 |
| ggabriel | and even if you do have the cancel button, the window to cancel is very small | 13:10 |
| ggabriel | and ofc you can still return | 13:10 |
| zett_zelett | Well, I asked about updating the order, they said I should just cancel it and replace the order and asked me for a confirmation to cancel the order. | 13:11 |
| zett_zelett | I confirmed (about an hour later), but never heard of them again. | 13:11 |
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| ggabriel | if you explain all that, i'm sure they'll understand and take necessary action | 13:12 |
| zett_zelett | Yeah, I hope so. | 13:12 |
| zett_zelett | If I can still return it without me sitting on any delivery cost, I won’t have a problem with Jolla. | 13:12 |
| zett_zelett | (Otherwise, I’d be slightly pissed. But I hear that Jolla folks are reasonable people. :) ) | 13:14 |
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| coderus | inte: i need to make proper plugin someday. current one is very stupid made. | 13:54 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | coderus, but scummstopper has a systemd daemon ? | 13:58 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | http://sourceforge.net/p/scumstopper/wiki/DaemonMode/ | 14:01 |
| coderus | dr_gogeta86: yes | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | zett_zelett: out of curiousity, why did you cancel? | 14:02 |
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| zett_zelett | Stskeeps: I wanted to update the order, i.e. to add another accessory, and asked about that. They told me that was impossible, but I could just cancel the order and place a new one. | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 14:04 |
| inte | coderus: plugin? you mean the access control? I like it though | 14:07 |
| coderus | inte: yes ssh access control. i need to rewrite it as actual pam plgin, not a stupid hack :D | 14:11 |
| inte | :) well it works, nevermind :) | 14:11 |
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| ShawnMcCool | so, is my jolla phone the only one that is essentially bricked after trying to update today? | 14:50 |
| ShawnMcCool | won't boot to recovery mode, just sits there | 14:51 |
| Yaniel | I'm IRCing from mine just fine | 14:51 |
| Yaniel | updated yesterday | 14:52 |
| ShawnMcCool | crap | 14:52 |
| tadzik | update would mean rebooting, and I'm not risking that :P | 14:52 |
| tadzik | last time it took me like 10 reboots before the sim card indicator worked again... | 14:52 |
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| Lieke | running 1.1.7.28, works fine | 14:53 |
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| knivsta | hey | 15:42 |
| knivsta | is Sailfish OS opensource? | 15:42 |
| knivsta | also is it full GNU/Linux's ARM version? | 15:42 |
| Sidde | it's not fully open source. the user interface is not | 15:43 |
| knivsta | that sucks totally | 15:43 |
| Sidde | but it's a full gnu/linux install | 15:43 |
| knivsta | ok | 15:43 |
| knivsta | What is the package manager? | 15:43 |
| knivsta | Can I install apps from your repo using a package manager in terminal? | 15:43 |
| Sidde | knivsta: zypper | 15:44 |
| Sidde | yes | 15:44 |
| knivsta | Sidde, awesome | 15:44 |
| knivsta | Sidde, is it more secure than Android? | 15:44 |
| knivsta | Also is root protected by a strong passphrase? | 15:44 |
| Sidde | also pkcon as package manager | 15:44 |
| Yaniel | also drivers are not opensource | 15:44 |
| knivsta | oh | 15:44 |
| knivsta | just sucks | 15:44 |
| knivsta | I wish it was fully opensource | 15:44 |
| knivsta | Why ain't it opensource? | 15:45 |
| Yaniel | feel free to bug qualcomm | 15:45 |
| knivsta | lol no | 15:45 |
| knivsta | but your UI? | 15:45 |
| knivsta | Why won't you open it? | 15:45 |
| knivsta | you are selling it with the hardware and earning good? | 15:45 |
| Sidde | knivsta: i think they said they might opensource the ui one day | 15:45 |
| Coolgeek | https://sailfishos.org/about/ https://sailfishos.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Sailfish_Architecture_v0.5.1.png | 15:46 |
| Sidde | knivsta: you don't use root, you use sudo. guessing you're free to use whatever root password you want | 15:46 |
| Sidde | knivsta: and android has android bugs, sailfish has linux bugs. which one is more secure. Don't know... | 15:47 |
| knivsta | ok | 15:47 |
| Sidde | but android apps are sandboxed way better than in sailfish | 15:47 |
| knivsta | ok | 15:47 |
| Sidde | knivsta: but sailfish is more or less a normal linux system with it's own ui on top of wayland | 15:48 |
| Sidde | knivsta: and like any linux system, some hardware you might use has closed source drivers | 15:49 |
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| Sidde | knivsta: http://linuxg.net/how-to-work-with-repositories-on-jollas-sailfish-os/ | 15:52 |
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| knivsta | Sidde, ok thanks | 16:17 |
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| zett_zelett | Is there a way to install apps for SailfishOS without creating a Jolla Store account? | 18:25 |
| zett_zelett | Like, downloading the rpm packages and using rpm to install them? | 18:26 |
| Nicd- | you can install any compatible rpm packages | 18:26 |
| Nicd- | with pkcon or zypper | 18:26 |
| zett_zelett | And are they available somewhere? | 18:26 |
| Nicd- | openrepos is the biggest software repo | 18:26 |
| zett_zelett | Ok, neat. | 18:26 |
| zett_zelett | Thanks! | 18:26 |
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| flux | so what's the number? how many dead devices with the latest upgrade?-) | 20:57 |
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| Nicd- | hehehe | 21:00 |
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| tigeli | flux: I know two and both of them had some shittypackages installed | 21:02 |
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| flux | does the installation btw report that information? seems like it would be useful to know :) | 21:06 |
| flux | report back to jolla that is | 21:06 |
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| tigeli | flux: well, the dead devices will not report anything back but we can get a number how many devices have updated. | 21:09 |
| tigeli | anyway "adds a feature to enable persistent logging during the upgrade process" was done to get the logs if problems occur | 21:10 |
| flux | and I suppose you could get the number of devices that have attempted to upgrade as well | 21:10 |
| tigeli | flux: roundabout number, yes. | 21:11 |
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| pdanek | Do you guys think that with Windows 10, Linux desktop users will decrease? | 22:44 |
| TemeV | pdanek: Why would it? Is there really something mind blowing with W10? | 22:46 |
| TemeV | Besides not sucking as much as W8 | 22:46 |
| hangman_classic | I don't think anyone using linux wan't to go back to windows ...or am I wrong ... | 22:51 |
| pdanek | TemeV: The adoption rate of W10 is very high and after disappointing W8 release, it's getting very positive reviews. | 22:51 |
| pdanek | And it will be kind of rolling release too. | 22:51 |
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| pdanek | I don't say Linux desktop is going anywhere, I just think it will stagnate with user base. | 22:52 |
| pdanek | Meaning, it won't attract much new people from Windows world. | 22:52 |
| pdanek | And many are moving to OSX as wlel. | 22:52 |
| pdanek | Even Linux users are moving to OSX | 22:52 |
| TemeV | pdanek: well, it is free update and what I hear quite painless one | 22:53 |
| pdanek | hangman_classic: I know many people who got back to Windows after Linux | 22:53 |
| pdanek | and I know many who have dualboot | 22:53 |
| TemeV | people tend to move around | 22:53 |
| hangman_classic | Windows10 is free, sure they will get users. but for me it has to much downsides to use everday | 22:53 |
| TemeV | I've changed back and forth between windows and linux in the past | 22:54 |
| TemeV | I think I'll stick with Linux now though | 22:54 |
| pdanek | TemeV: distro? | 22:54 |
| TemeV | Fedora | 22:54 |
| pdanek | Try OpenSUSE Leap when it releases in November | 22:54 |
| pdanek | interesting thing they're doing | 22:54 |
| TemeV | I might | 22:55 |
| pdanek | They take the base from SUSE Linux Enterprise | 22:55 |
| pdanek | and add newer stuff on top | 22:55 |
| TemeV | though I'm quite happy with Fedora now so no reason to change | 22:55 |
| pdanek | like new kernel, Gnome, X, and other software | 22:55 |
| pdanek | I always faced some issues when upgrading Fedora to newer version | 22:55 |
| pdanek | which had to be solved, even minor | 22:56 |
| pdanek | OpenSUSE has usually very painless upgrades | 22:56 |
| TemeV | I've heard that fedora updates might cause pain. 21 to 22 went smoothly for me at least | 22:56 |
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| hangman_classic | I don't want to go back to Windows, at least as primary OS. I would miss to may thiny things. | 22:56 |
| pdanek | OpenSUSE Leap will be like blend of Fedora and CentOS | 22:56 |
| pdanek | about 1200 packages from SUSE Linux Enterprise and the rest from Tumbleweed (Rawhide alternative) | 22:57 |
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| coderus | hangman_classic: i switched back to win10 from kubuntu :) | 22:59 |
| hangman_classic | I don't like kubuntu, i switched to debian | 23:00 |
| coderus | i'm not a distro maniac | 23:02 |
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| coderus | i don't care if upstart or systemd | 23:02 |
| coderus | and same for other things | 23:02 |
| hangman_classic | dito | 23:02 |
| coderus | i like how system works in total | 23:02 |
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| coderus | and i'm satsfied a lot how win10 works on my laptop | 23:04 |
| TemeV | pdanek: is there some "what's new in Leap" article somewhere? | 23:05 |
| TemeV | I can't find any. | 23:05 |
| dunp | just run windows in virtual machine (kvm+qemu) :) | 23:05 |
| hangman_classic | I installed last week windows7 on my desktop and I hate it to install all the software .... | 23:05 |
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| coderus | dunp: really? :D | 23:06 |
| hangman_classic | software and drivers .. oke drivers is an other thing on win10, I think they will work more out of the box but installing all the software is the same pain ? | 23:07 |
| dunp | yep :) i running at my laptop and desktop | 23:07 |
| coderus | no, thanks | 23:07 |
| coderus | i need my laptop hardware to work on 100% | 23:08 |
| dunp | i like snapshot and fast resume | 23:08 |
| coderus | and i want 3h battery life, not just 1,5 | 23:08 |
| coderus | i have ssd, windows loading in 3s without any hibernation | 23:08 |
| dunp | my laptop lenovo gps, 3g, wifi, smartcard reader works fine :) | 23:08 |
| coderus | lenovo have nice linux support, i know | 23:09 |
| coderus | mine is not a lenovo | 23:09 |
| coderus | stupid optimus | 23:09 |
| dunp | i like linux hibernation and 1TB hard drive.. 1 sec to wake up :) | 23:09 |
| dunp | and all tools is open :) | 23:10 |
| dunp | and network is connected.. | 23:10 |
| hangman_classic | besides of graphic adapters i never had any problems with drivers | 23:10 |
| dunp | and dualscreen works just plug monitor to laptop and get more display and vm can run at fullscreen :) at second display :) | 23:11 |
| hangman_classic | debian jessie is fine, but you ned nonfree firmware | 23:11 |
| pdanek | TemeV: not too much new stuff, but mostly change of OpenSUSE project, going more stable with SUSE Linux Enterprise packages | 23:11 |
| dunp | i like arch linux | 23:11 |
| coderus | yeah, because of nvidia support in linux my laptop can't live 3h like in windows. so :) | 23:11 |
| dunp | in desktop i have own displayadapter for vm :) | 23:12 |
| hangman_classic | i know, hybrid graphics under linux ist a thing .... | 23:12 |
| coderus | dunp: vm increasing battery life of course ::) | 23:14 |
| pdanek | TemeV: https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Leap | 23:14 |
| hangman_classic | anyone has a jolla ? | 23:15 |
| pdanek | hangman_classic: everyone here? | 23:15 |
| hangman_classic | :) | 23:15 |
| TemeV | pdanek: thanks | 23:15 |
| dunp | direct windows eat more :D.. and have full cryppted hard drive too and i can make virtual network test at laptop | 23:16 |
| dunp | i have someting like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37D2bRsthfI | 23:18 |
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| coderus | dunp: this is actually excellent | 23:37 |
| coderus | if ever some guide exists how to setup it from nothing i can try :) | 23:38 |
| Pebby | pdanek: I don't have a jolla.. just watching y'all have fun from over here in the USA :( | 23:42 |
| hangman_classic | but why ? | 23:43 |
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| Pebby | hangman_classic: US cell carriers don't support the frequencies of the Jolla hardware (feel free to invert that statement)... so I'd be locked to 2G | 23:44 |
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| hangman_classic | oh, I'm sorry :( | 23:44 |
| Pebby | Yeah... who knows, maybe a new piece of hardware will support more frequencies. They're at least testing the waters with the tablet since the campaign ran over here. Not crossing my fingers, but, hey... never know. :) | 23:45 |
| Pebby | Still have my N9 and N900.. just waiting for a replacement | 23:46 |
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| coderus | Pebby: check intex hw, maybe more luck | 23:50 |
| Pebby | coderus: I have been watching.. some interesting stuff going on like https://sailfishos.org/develop/hadk/ (more talk about that in sailfish challen ofc) | 23:51 |
| Pebby | When one of my friends decides to ditch a nexus phone I can play with http://forum.xda-developers.com/google-nexus-5/development/rom-sailfish-os-alpha-t2841266 too! | 23:52 |
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