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| lainwir3d | o/ | 09:23 |
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| citylight2 | how can I translate a access point MAC to location? | 09:38 |
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| citylight2 | is the data base google uses for this open to anyone? | 09:38 |
| Nicd- | most likely not | 09:38 |
| pp_ | IIRC there's some magic to query google | 09:38 |
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| citylight2 | how does jolla finds my location? only gps? | 09:42 |
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| stephg | citylight2: that and if you opt in, agps | 09:47 |
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| citylight2 | agps, is aided by cell ID | 09:52 |
| citylight2 | not wifi ID, right? | 09:53 |
| stephg | well there's supl too | 09:55 |
| citylight2 | what? | 09:56 |
| stephg | supl | 09:56 |
| tbr | location usually uses multiple inputs/hints | 10:01 |
| tbr | gps, wifi ssid, ip lookup, ncc | 10:01 |
| citylight2 | so can I use this service to figure out where my laptop it? | 10:03 |
| citylight2 | using some REST query? | 10:03 |
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| phlixi | agps means you are downloadig the almanach via mobile dta and not directly from the sattelites (which can take up to 12 minutes) | 10:07 |
| phlixi | its not taking the cell tower id for a lookup | 10:07 |
| phlixi | however, if you like to pay a lot of money, i am sure you will find a db to make wifi lookups | 10:08 |
| phlixi | but i am not sure whether they take the mac or the ssid | 10:08 |
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| citylight2 | I did found this vaule in the wikipedia: Wi-Fi_positioning_system | 10:33 |
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| citylight2 | and there are some options, but I thought I ask here, as you may know better | 10:34 |
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| pp_ | browsers have that stuff which you can use | 10:44 |
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| Pawky | It's 2015, several releases later and one can still not delete a phone number from ones address book.. :-( | 10:56 |
| tadzik | huh, really? | 10:58 |
| tadzik | let me try on someone... | 10:58 |
| tadzik | ok, I just deleted Voicemail | 10:58 |
| tadzik | it worked :) | 10:58 |
| kjetilho | I don't understand how I can choose a phone number when returning a call. or even see what it is! | 10:59 |
| Pawky | tadzik: so.. you have several mobile phone numbers on one contact, and you succeeded to delete one of them? | 11:00 |
| kjetilho | oh, sorry. long press works. but it it has the same annoying bug as Android: it will *not* include the country code when you return a call, even if the country code is included in the phone book entry. | 11:00 |
| tadzik | Pawky: oh, no, I deleted the entire contact | 11:00 |
| tadzik | let me try the other thing | 11:01 |
| Pawky | there you go... | 11:01 |
| kjetilho | so I have to be careful to open contact card and choose phone number manually | 11:01 |
| kjetilho | or else I will call someone random | 11:01 |
| Pawky | kjetilho: huh.. that bug sounds even worse | 11:01 |
| kjetilho | I guess neither Jolla nor Android users travel much | 11:02 |
| tadzik | now I'm not sure if I have anyone with two numbers | 11:02 |
| tadzik | but I seem to be able to long-press-delete a single number if there's two | 11:03 |
| tadzik | I just added one as a test | 11:03 |
| tadzik | it worked fine | 11:03 |
| kjetilho | is there a trick to return directly to the previously running app from the lock screen? | 11:03 |
| kjetilho | perhaps I should rerun the tutorial :) | 11:04 |
| tadzik | I don't think there's one | 11:05 |
| tadzik | there's some magic involved in double-pressing the power button when screen is blanked | 11:05 |
| tadzik | but that still gives you homescreen, not the last app | 11:05 |
| kjetilho | ah. but I've been flicking from the bottom, so I have to an additional step with the notification screen | 11:05 |
| tadzik | even if you locked the screen from inside an app | 11:05 |
| kjetilho | yeah, that's the thing | 11:06 |
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| kjetilho | tadzik: thanks for the double-press tip! | 11:08 |
| tadzik | you're welcome :) | 11:09 |
| Pawky | tadzik: i click address book, i choose contact, i click edit, of all 3 phone numbers under Phone I long press the first... nada enchiladas... zip, silch... = nothing happens | 11:09 |
| tadzik | well, long-pres | 11:09 |
| tadzik | oh, power button | 11:09 |
| tadzik | nevermind :P | 11:09 |
| tadzik | Pawky: well, I tried the second number and it worked perfectly fine | 11:10 |
| tadzik | let's see with the first number | 11:10 |
| Pawky | tadzik: let me guess, you have the newevest eraly adopters version? | 11:10 |
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| tadzik | Pawky: yes. And yes, it works for the first number as well | 11:11 |
| Pawky | tadzik: it does, and has never worked for any of mine... | 11:11 |
| tadzik | we can devices, I'd take a working network coverage icon over deleting contact numbers :P | 11:11 |
| tadzik | Pawky: huh, strange | 11:11 |
| tadzik | er, we can switch devices* | 11:12 |
| Pawky | what firmware are you at? | 11:13 |
| Pawky | tadzik: I presume my problem lays having an imported contact... | 11:14 |
| Pawky | if not remembering wrong there was a bug with this in the early firmware, the funny thing is its still not resolved... | 11:15 |
| tadzik | well, I'm on the latest early-access | 11:15 |
| tadzik | hm | 11:15 |
| tadzik | I imported all my contacts from .vcf | 11:15 |
| Pawky | i think i did a copy... synk from the N9... don't remember... | 11:15 |
| Pawky | ill try to crete a new contact | 11:16 |
| Pawky | ok.... with a contact created on the phone it actually works.. | 11:17 |
| Pawky | how bizarr | 11:17 |
| tadzik | wow | 11:18 |
| tadzik | like they're handled differently in storage depending on where do they come from | 11:18 |
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| kjetilho | makes sense, some sources should be synced back | 11:19 |
| Pawky | tadzik: the ones i cannot delete do have a world globe ikon to the left. No clue what that means.. | 11:19 |
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| phlixi | i gave up on the contacts and do every editing in the oc web interface... that seems to work | 11:21 |
| phlixi | however, no "notes" on a contact, thats a shame | 11:21 |
| tadzik | Pawky: is there a chance they're being synced somewhere? | 11:22 |
| tadzik | I use last name as notes :P | 11:23 |
| tadzik | "Anne from-that-party-at-mary's-place" | 11:23 |
| Pawky | Nope, no sync in site whatsoever... | 11:23 |
| Pawky | I don't sync ;-) | 11:23 |
| Pawky | but what does that globe mean? I thought it was there if using +... | 11:24 |
| Pawky | phlixi: oc web interface??? | 11:24 |
| phlixi | own cloud | 11:24 |
| Pawky | don't use owncload.. that #¤!! softy cannot sync hardlinks.. | 11:25 |
| Pawky | which is crap | 11:25 |
| phlixi | no need for hardlinks when syncing caldav and carddav | 11:25 |
| Pawky | true.. | 11:25 |
| phlixi | for me it works actually great | 11:25 |
| phlixi | ...besides the stuff that is not implemented | 11:25 |
| phlixi | like notes on a contact | 11:26 |
| Pawky | but it has to do more for it to earn its place on my installed list ;-) | 11:26 |
| Pawky | does hardlink sync work? | 11:26 |
| Pawky | to my knowledge, last time i looked it was explicitly written to not do this.. | 11:26 |
| phlixi | i dis not try to sync hardlinks | 11:27 |
| phlixi | did* | 11:27 |
| phlixi | and i do not plan to do so | 11:27 |
| phlixi | and i also do not know for what this could be useful to me | 11:27 |
| phlixi | so i am not missing a thing | 11:27 |
| Pawky | hence thats why you do not plan to do so then :-) | 11:27 |
| phlixi | everything missing is on the jolla side, not on the oc side | 11:27 |
| phlixi | ^^ | 11:27 |
| phlixi | its freaking not understanable, that calender events just silently pass on the phone | 11:28 |
| phlixi | ridicoulus | 11:28 |
| Pawky | to me on the other hand it is obvious why one could very much benefit from syncing hardlinks.. | 11:28 |
| phlixi | make an example why this could be useful for me | 11:29 |
| Pawky | duh?.... I would I know... | 11:29 |
| Pawky | well, imagine you have lots of nice pictures you would like to sync.. | 11:29 |
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| phlixi | then add the picture folder to sny it? | 11:30 |
| Pawky | you do not want to have copies of copies everywhere, but like to also have them available for others | 11:30 |
| phlixi | sync* | 11:30 |
| Pawky | if you do like its done today... you move your files to your owncloud client and sync... | 11:30 |
| phlixi | no | 11:30 |
| phlixi | i do not "move files to ownclowd client" | 11:30 |
| Pawky | then one day you think its time to remove them from owncloud, only to find it also removed them from your local space | 11:30 |
| Pawky | hence, they are no more to be found... | 11:31 |
| phlixi | i add folders that get synced | 11:31 |
| Pawky | imagine, then a way when you hardlink the files :-) | 11:31 |
| Pawky | whatever owncloud does with your sync folder will not erase your precious files somewhere else. | 11:31 |
| Pawky | I can imagine you do not move your files... hence thats why I explicitly wrote I have no clue how it would benefit you. | 11:32 |
| phlixi | thats the point of syncing anyway to delete them everywhere if you delete them | 11:32 |
| Pawky | nope its not | 11:32 |
| Pawky | its only to delete them from your sync... | 11:32 |
| phlixi | then you remove the folder from the sync, but not the files | 11:32 |
| Pawky | and here is where owncloud and some differ. | 11:32 |
| Pawky | well, it will do so for you.. | 11:33 |
| phlixi | do you every used oc? are you reading what i wrote? it does not work as you say | 11:33 |
| Pawky | well.. as long as they havent changed things severely since... a year ago, it does. | 11:33 |
| Pawky | or maybe my example isnt clear enough to point the problem. | 11:34 |
| Pawky | in my world, I have files happily catalogued on my disks, and some I would like to share by just hardlinking them to a sync directory... whatever owncoud does to the files in these directories would not be a concern of mine if I could hard link... but this you cannot | 11:35 |
| Pawky | the owncloud explicitly does not sync files having more links than 1.. | 11:36 |
| phlixi | well, you do not link them, you sync the folder where they are in | 11:36 |
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| phlixi | and you do not have to copy them for that, you just tell oc to sync that folder | 11:36 |
| Pawky | yes, which could create a horrible situation once you choose to do some deleting... | 11:36 |
| phlixi | thats the point of SYNCING it, | 11:37 |
| Pawky | in my world, deleting from sync <> deleting from dis | 11:37 |
| Pawky | k | 11:37 |
| Pawky | nope its not.. | 11:37 |
| phlixi | otherwise you should use some "auto upload" feature or the like | 11:37 |
| Pawky | the point of syncing is for sharing | 11:37 |
| phlixi | o | 11:37 |
| phlixi | no | 11:37 |
| Pawky | not house keeping your local files | 11:37 |
| phlixi | what you need is uploading, not syncing | 11:37 |
| phlixi | really | 11:37 |
| Pawky | nope i need syncing.. | 11:37 |
| phlixi | but syncing includes deletion | 11:38 |
| Pawky | yes, which doesnt matter if it would accept hard links, right? | 11:38 |
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| phlixi | that is the whole point of SYNCING compared to "auto uploding something to some point" | 11:38 |
| Pawky | so it would delete the file from the sync path... but one could still have the file backed up, right? | 11:38 |
| phlixi | what you need has nothing to do with sync | 11:38 |
| Pawky | nope, there is more to syncing than uploading.. | 11:38 |
| phlixi | it is ahreing not syncing | 11:38 |
| kjetilho | sounds like a very simple fix, though? remove the check for nlinks | 11:39 |
| Pawky | in my world, its syncing and being able to keep backups, or what you name it. | 11:39 |
| phlixi | of course you can keep backups in oc | 11:39 |
| kjetilho | it wouldn't hurt the product to support this. | 11:39 |
| Pawky | kjetilho: yes, i looked into it a bit but never pushed through... | 11:39 |
| Pawky | Then I would have to do that fix everytime own cloud got an update.. | 11:39 |
| kjetilho | my guess is that OC doesn't want multiple copies of the same file be synced into the cloud. | 11:40 |
| Pawky | phlixi:might be, but what you cannot do is sync hard links... ;-) | 11:40 |
| kjetilho | so it should have a better duplicate detection which considers inode-numbers inside the synced directory | 11:40 |
| Pawky | kjetilho: well... why would they care? :-) | 11:40 |
| Pawky | its my files right? | 11:40 |
| phlixi | this is pointless... | 11:40 |
| kjetilho | Pawky: others would not want their sync space to be wasted | 11:40 |
| kjetilho | but it's off-topic | 11:41 |
| Pawky | true, it is of topic... and i did try to avoid answering. | 11:41 |
| Pawky | i would say, depending on how one does do things, syncing hard links might actually be a great idea. | 11:41 |
| Pawky | again, what I am really fishing for is what the globe icon to the left of a phone numer in the address books mean and why these numbers cannot be deleted? | 11:42 |
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| Pawky | Why does the Jolla account not keep the user and login parameters? | 11:53 |
| Pawky | It tells me i need to update it, but how on earth would I know what I wrote like 2 years ago?... :-( | 11:54 |
| phlixi | your a real pro | 11:55 |
| Pawky | lol | 11:55 |
| Pawky | well, is it to much asked? :-) | 11:56 |
| phlixi | if you create an account with username and password, do you always put random stuff into the password field and then once loged in never mind? | 11:57 |
| TemeV_ | Pawky: so you are really complaining that your password is not maintained in plain text? | 11:57 |
| TemeV_ | :) | 11:57 |
| Pawky | it has been niceTemeV_: nope... that the account hasnt stored it, compared to my E-mail accounts. | 11:57 |
| Pawky | I should at least have the option to store it... | 11:58 |
| phlixi | i did some tests regarding "the globe" for me it seems as the phone means you "created" that number on the phone, while the globe means it was created by sync. but not sure | 11:58 |
| TemeV_ | well, just use the I forgot my password thing | 11:58 |
| Pawky | if it at least did store the registered name I might have been able to guess the rest... | 11:58 |
| Pawky | TemeV_: aha! and with what username? | 11:58 |
| TemeV_ | ok, then, just create a new account | 11:58 |
| Pawky | which isnt really the same is it? | 11:59 |
| TemeV_ | why? | 11:59 |
| Pawky | i believe it would be better for the jolla phone to store, at least the name... right? | 11:59 |
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| phlixi | i dont think so | 11:59 |
| Pawky | because? | 12:00 |
| phlixi | it should not randomly forget your credentials, agreed. but that can happen... | 12:00 |
| Pawky | true... and of course somewhere, at someplace long not seen, i do have it written down, but it still sucks.. | 12:00 |
| phlixi | maybe its time for you to think about a system for passwords/login... like with backups, people need a crashing HDD to learn it is useful to make backups | 12:01 |
| Pawky | phlixi: maybe, thats what I meant with "long not seen place"... it is still bad the account doesnt store the credentials automatically. | 12:01 |
| Pawky | the phone seems to know them, though as it wants me to update the account. | 12:02 |
| TemeV | I guess it has some kind of token | 12:02 |
| Pawky | aha. | 12:03 |
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| Pawky | and I presume creating a new account means getting a new token, which might create other problems somewhere. | 12:05 |
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| TemeV | why would it? | 12:05 |
| Pawky | because the token is probably derived from the login name and password? | 12:06 |
| Pawky | your not telling me its based upon the phone, like Jolla is spying on my phone? | 12:06 |
| TemeV | You get a new token even if you enter the same old username and password you used two years ago | 12:07 |
| Pawky | well, i presume they also include a time stamp in their calculation :-) | 12:08 |
| TemeV | and some server side data and what not | 12:08 |
| Pawky | but I believe I would have to use the same user login to be in the early adaptors thingy.. | 12:08 |
| TemeV | did you try https://account.jolla.com/registration/password/reset/ | 12:12 |
| TemeV | it only asks for email, maybe you can get the username also | 12:12 |
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| krosos | hi.. are there some issues with support at the moment or why are emails no longer answered? just an "it might take longer than we said on the 27th of july" or an reply to the "why does it take longer?" email would be really appreaciated. | 12:15 |
| TemeV | krosos: talking about tablet? | 12:17 |
| krosos | no, an email thread about my phone, started before the 27th of july, with the result that jolla wanted to send me shipping papers (via email I assume) to send it in, which should arrive "in the next week", which is now "some workingdays" behind.. 8 working days after it not arriving I asked what the current status is, only got an automated "thread got updated" reply so far | 12:19 |
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| krosos | I can understand delays when they are reasonable. | 12:20 |
| krosos | for example when support is too small in coworkers.. but it's takingrather long for papers where everything to fill in is already provided since the 27.07 | 12:21 |
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| the_mgt | there is such a thing as summer holiday | 12:22 |
| krosos | oh | 12:22 |
| krosos | good, i forgot about that | 12:23 |
| TemeV | the_mgt: In Finland holidays are over | 12:23 |
| TemeV | mostly | 12:23 |
| the_mgt | then the returning workers have to work up on the stuff that piled up during holiday | 12:24 |
| krosos | i'm used to cruel german standards where support gets replaced by other people during the holidays for the time they are away or enough people are working there. I'm sorry :) | 12:25 |
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| Eye_A | Jolla )0!1@ )0h | 12:44 |
| citylight2 | hmm combain.com/api/ is easy | 12:47 |
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| Pawky | TemeV: well, I do have like a dozen E-mails... :-/ | 12:54 |
| Pawky | But now I am of home to find some forgotten keystore and find my user/login.... :-D | 12:54 |
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| tadzik | wow, this new Twenty game in store is so good | 13:13 |
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| tadzik | also, every time I complain about sync not working someone here pops up and tells me exactly how to enable that verbose logging in it | 13:13 |
| tadzik | how do I do that | 13:13 |
| tadzik | msyncd-broken msyncd-broken msyncd-broken | 13:14 |
| tadzik | hopefully he'll show up now:) | 13:14 |
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| _inte_ | what actually happend to http://www.jollatides.com ? | 14:17 |
| _inte_ | page seems abandoned | 14:17 |
| Eye_A | when is SFOS 2.0 due? | 14:20 |
| the_mgt | next wednesday | 14:21 |
| Eye_A | really | 14:22 |
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| the_mgt | totally | 14:23 |
| Eye_A | Whos the source | 14:23 |
| Eye_A | Any url | 14:23 |
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| Venemo | man | 15:08 |
| Venemo | I wouldn't believe that :) | 15:08 |
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| Lieke | Pawky: two or three days ago my jolla also forgot the jolla account data | 15:21 |
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| Lieke | and yesterday the same happened to a friend of mine | 15:21 |
| the_mgt | dito | 15:22 |
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| taaem | So the tablet goes to the store soon? | 15:28 |
| Mikaela | I think I read public preorders begin this week and shipping is started next month or somethin | 15:29 |
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| taaem | Oh that sounds nice will think about getting one... | 15:31 |
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| ShadowJK | Lieke, mine just did that | 16:32 |
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| dv_ | I get some annoying SMS lately from unspecified sources. the UI does not show me the number. I suspect the number is invalid, but want to verify. where are the SMS stored? in some kind of sqlite DB? | 17:01 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | dv_: libcommhistory | 17:17 |
| SfietKonstantinW | in ~/.local/share/commhistory/commhistory.db | 17:19 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | you will need privileged rights | 17:19 |
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| coderus | em, commhistory-tool? | 17:38 |
| AL13N | hmm, i just switched to speaker when i was on the phone and it didn't work, i got no noise out of it, nothing | 17:39 |
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| AL13N | and now, i get no sound out of it, except the phone sound, (headphones)? | 17:39 |
| AL13N | anyeone else got this? or do you guys think it's hardware? | 17:40 |
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| coderus | AL13N: i just saw similar report on facebook page | 17:44 |
| coderus | contact care | 17:44 |
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| kimmoli | dv_: https://together.jolla.com/question/54249/how-to-saving-sms-text-conversations/?answer=54320#post-id-54320 | 17:58 |
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| dv_ | darn. sms can actually also have strings as sender-IDs, not just numbers. | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | i've had heaps of fun issues with that with proposed upgrades on finnair | 18:48 |
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| dv_ | I get annoying ad sms, and cant block them, because they dont contain a valid phone nr. now I see that the field where the number is is actually a free-form string. | 18:57 |
| dv_ | the only way to block would be to move all non-numbered ones to a spam folder | 18:57 |
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| TemeV | dv_: you might get useful sms with non-number sender some day | 19:06 |
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| tadzik | ehh, another instance of "internet works but internet icon is disabled" | 19:12 |
| dv_ | that's the problem | 19:12 |
| tadzik | is it connman that's so bloody bad? | 19:12 |
| dv_ | I just disabled the sms sounds now. better than nothing. | 19:12 |
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| r0kk3rz | tadzik: some things ignore the connman connection status | 19:34 |
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| aard_ | MSG prism_icq hey there! | 20:24 |
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