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| Pawky | On my samsung note I have the great app Xprivacy installed which makes me able to decide what resources an installed app actually is allowed to access. Is there a way to do similar things for android apps on the Jolla? | 05:00 |
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| Pawky | What does android apps actually get access to automatically, phonebook, location, etc? | 05:01 |
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| Yaniel | evverrythiiingg | 05:51 |
| Yaniel | jk, with 1.1.7 there is an entry for android compatibility in settings->applications | 05:52 |
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| TemeV | Pawky: I wonder how that app works... I mean, if you can write such an app that makes those restrictions, can't you create an app that goes around them? | 06:37 |
| phlixi | obviously such app would need higher priviliges | 06:40 |
| Nicd- | so Nokia is selling HERE (for over 2 billion less than what they paid for it) | 06:41 |
| Nicd- | I thought HERE made them money | 06:41 |
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| zutto | it did | 06:43 |
| zutto | theres some fish buried in this deal | 06:43 |
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| Pawky | phlixi: yes, you need higher priveliges, then again you do have it on your jolla, thus that cannot be an issue... | 06:46 |
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| Pawky | TemeV: I believe the app is in between your app and whatever system call you do by extending the library.. (you can read about it on his page).. | 06:47 |
| Pawky | But still, what can an installed android app access in the jolla phone as of today? | 06:48 |
| TemeV | Ok, so it is "more than an app" | 06:49 |
| Pawky | yes... | 06:49 |
| TemeV | You can restrict its access to phonebook atleast | 06:49 |
| phlixi | i guess the proper design would be to have such thing in the compatibility layer, and then in the settings of the app, via settings app => apps | 06:50 |
| Pawky | whenever an app makes a system call it goes through Xprivacy who in turn will either pass it, deny it or send back random info | 06:50 |
| Pawky | I really like that "random info" feature :-) | 06:50 |
| Pawky | makes the apps happy, makes me happy :-) | 06:50 |
| TemeV | Though, same restrictions should be possible for native apps also | 06:51 |
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| stephg | r0kk3rz cool thanks, it's intermittent but definitely hardware as it reponds to a squeeze :) | 07:35 |
| lainwir3d | hi everyone | 07:36 |
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| Pawky | TemeV: I believe one could use a similar aproach as Xprivacy limiting what apps can do, by extending the system library. :-) | 08:07 |
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| pdanek1 | So painful to wait for news from Intex. | 08:14 |
| pdanek1 | Can I freeze myself for 3 months? | 08:15 |
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| Stskeeps | pdanek1: you can try, but it may be painful | 08:16 |
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| pdanek1 | No pain, no gain. | 08:17 |
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| ilpianista | there's no way to read application comments without a jolla, correct? | 09:26 |
| Nicd- | correct | 09:26 |
| pp_ | easy way at least :-) | 09:26 |
| ilpianista | pp_, go on, I'm interested | 09:27 |
| pp_ | https://store-api.jolla.com/ etc. ;) | 09:27 |
| ilpianista | mmm | 09:27 |
| pp_ | but pretty much you'd need a real phone to figure out what to ask for | 09:28 |
| pp_ | + probably a jolla account to get authenticated | 09:28 |
| ilpianista | ah damn, auth is needed too | 09:28 |
| ilpianista | hope it's plain auth | 09:28 |
| pp_ | oauth bearer token last I checked | 09:29 |
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| ilpianista | and then I need a token... | 09:29 |
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| ilpianista | maybe I could install the store to the virtualbox image? | 09:31 |
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| coderus | ilpianista: you have no store i486 package | 09:32 |
| pp_ | you have qemu-arm | 09:33 |
| coderus | and have no jolla ccounts stuff i486 packaged | 09:33 |
| coderus | lol, gl & hf | 09:33 |
| pp_ | but probably a pain in the anus + violate some TOS stuff | 09:33 |
| ilpianista | maybe I should just update my apps description to write that I'm away... | 09:33 |
| pp_ | but anyway, if you just want to check comments for one app while you're a way, do it on a phone and mitm/whatnot to get the magic urls, then script them :P | 09:34 |
| pp_ | -" " | 09:34 |
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| ilpianista | the problem is I cannot mitm anything now without a phone :-) | 09:36 |
| pp_ | can't help either, my phone is "waiting for parts" for two weeks now :-) | 09:36 |
| ilpianista | stupid me. I knew about this, but did nothing before sending it | 09:36 |
| pp_ | I suspect they're out of display modules, and aren't getting more (just sent a query) | 09:37 |
| ilpianista | ah great news, mine is there for the display too | 09:37 |
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| pp_ | well, hopefully will get an ETA soon, will share the info :-) | 09:38 |
| ilpianista | thank you | 09:38 |
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| pdanek | Is Sailfish going to have DualSIM support anytime soon? | 11:35 |
| pdanek | That might be necessity for Indian market. | 11:35 |
| Yaniel | ask Intex, I suppose they know better | 11:36 |
| Yaniel | pretty sure Sailfish is going to get dualsim support when there is a hw partner that wants it | 11:36 |
| pdanek | right | 11:37 |
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| pdanek | So how do you guys like OnePlus Two? | 18:38 |
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| coderus | I usually do not like or dislike devices i never used myself | 18:40 |
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| kimmoli | well, i didn't like onePlusOne... fwiw | 18:42 |
| chem|st | uh that looks like a sueable design for apple | 18:46 |
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| kimmoli | round corners? | 18:47 |
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| chem|st | hehe | 18:48 |
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| pdanek | lol | 18:52 |
| chem|st | they had good translators doing the webpages! | 18:56 |
| pdanek | :D, what? | 18:58 |
| pdanek | Meaning they didn't? | 18:58 |
| chem|st | apart of one error I just found wordplaying and stuff | 18:59 |
| chem|st | nicely done | 18:59 |
| chem|st | but the phone is huge, if I want a tablet I buy a tablet! | 18:59 |
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| chem|st | but well, as there is p0rn there is the need of bigger displays | 19:00 |
| pdanek | it's smaller than OnePlus One | 19:01 |
| pdanek | with same display | 19:01 |
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| pdanek | it can match size of some 5" phones | 19:01 |
| pdanek | not too bad | 19:01 |
| pdanek | curved lines, unlike Jolla and very good grippy back | 19:02 |
| pdanek | so holding it won't be any issue | 19:02 |
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| pdanek | and I was always against fingerprint reader until I used no locking mechanism :D | 19:05 |
| pdanek | and until I started to use my phone every minute | 19:05 |
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| pdanek | now I can really see how even simple password or locking mechanism is eating my time incredibly | 19:05 |
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| r0kk3rz | the key is to not use your phone so much | 19:22 |
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| pdanek | Do you guys realize that once Sailfish OS will become as popular as Android is. | 20:02 |
| pdanek | It will likely become a huge company and OS get more bloated too? | 20:02 |
| pdanek | with more politics and stuff in the company. | 20:02 |
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| r0kk3rz | im not sure anything will become as popular as android is currently | 20:05 |
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| r0kk3rz | my hope is that we dont have this monopoly on phone operating systems | 20:06 |
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| pdanek | not necessarily monomoly | 20:07 |
| pdanek | p* | 20:08 |
| pdanek | due to growth of smartphones in developing countries | 20:08 |
| pdanek | number will grow quite a lot | 20:08 |
| pdanek | so it means even if Jolla gets same numbers as Android has now | 20:08 |
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| pdanek | it might be still even share on market | 20:08 |
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| pdanek | Is there any good podcast about Jolla and Sailfish? | 20:10 |
| pdanek | I love to listen podcasts before sleeping. | 20:10 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah but dont forget ubuntu, firefox os, kde plasma, webos, tizen | 20:12 |
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| r0kk3rz | some of which might grow into significance | 20:13 |
| pdanek | forget webos | 20:13 |
| pdanek | tizen: if Samsung wants, they can make it grow | 20:13 |
| pdanek | kde plasma: growth? nah | 20:14 |
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| pdanek | firefox os definitely, on cheap phones | 20:14 |
| r0kk3rz | remember samsung is rather terrible at software | 20:14 |
| pdanek | Ubuntu: definitely, even on expensive phones | 20:14 |
| pdanek | r0kk3rz: people don't buy good software, people buy what you sell them | 20:14 |
| r0kk3rz | thats not entirely true | 20:15 |
| pdanek | We have Ubuntu phones and it didn't get much attention yet. | 20:15 |
| pdanek | We yet have to see is Sailfish will get any on Intex. | 20:15 |
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| pdanek | r0kk3rz: my girlfriend has Samsung and if she looks on other Android.... regardless of the features or better software, she simply doesn't like it because it's different than something she is used to | 20:16 |
| pdanek | that's how many people think | 20:16 |
| pdanek | that's why so many stay on Windows XP | 20:16 |
| r0kk3rz | thats because what they have is 'good enough' which is a function of software quality | 20:17 |
| r0kk3rz | android has been 'good enough' since ICS | 20:18 |
| pdanek | right | 20:20 |
| pdanek | good point | 20:20 |
| pdanek | and Tizen might not be | 20:20 |
| pdanek | well, for the big crowd, Sailfish isn't good enough yet | 20:20 |
| r0kk3rz | touchwiz is arguably the worst part of the a samsung phone, but luckily its only a skin | 20:20 |
| r0kk3rz | imagine a whole os like that | 20:21 |
| r0kk3rz | and thats tizen | 20:21 |
| pdanek | :D | 20:21 |
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| pdanek | r0kk3rz: Do you actually like how Android progresses in UI over the years? | 20:21 |
| r0kk3rz | i didnt really see that much of it | 20:23 |
| r0kk3rz | had an htc phone with sense | 20:23 |
| r0kk3rz | started with froyo, moved to gingerbread shortly after, then used an aftermarket ics rom | 20:23 |
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| pdanek | I just realized | 20:24 |
| r0kk3rz | when i use one now it feels all wrong, none of my swipe gestures work, i keep having to stretch to reach to top of this humungous screen | 20:24 |
| pdanek | haha | 20:24 |
| pdanek | I just realized you missed BlackBerry OS 10 in your list of OSes | 20:25 |
| pdanek | :D | 20:25 |
| r0kk3rz | like ive been thrown back in time where everything is a button again | 20:25 |
| r0kk3rz | nor did i mention microsoft | 20:25 |
| r0kk3rz | that was deliberate | 20:25 |
| r0kk3rz | i dont really count an os that you can only run on one vendors hardware | 20:26 |
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| pdanek | Windows Phone is on many | 20:26 |
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| r0kk3rz | its mostly on the lumias, and i think a couple of htcs | 20:27 |
| pdanek | Sailfish is mostly on Jolla | 20:27 |
| pdanek | :D | 20:27 |
| pdanek | it doesn't mean it can't be on more vendors | 20:27 |
| pdanek | same goes for Windows | 20:27 |
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| grzywacz | Isn't windows phone officially dead? Now with windows 10? | 20:28 |
| pdanek | Of course not | 20:28 |
| pdanek | they want to release win 10 version of their mobile os later this year | 20:28 |
| r0kk3rz | well, whatever they're calling it this week | 20:28 |
| r0kk3rz | but im sure that windows will have a presence on phones for many years to come | 20:29 |
| pdanek | that's one of strategies they come with Windows 10 | 20:29 |
| pdanek | to make it all work together nicely | 20:30 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah but microsoft have been trying to do that for at least a decade | 20:30 |
| r0kk3rz | maybe even two decades by now | 20:30 |
| pdanek | I saw those "Windows phone is dead" titles too and the only reason is because Windows 10 for phones isn't released at the same time as desktop OS, people went crazy | 20:30 |
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| pdanek | right | 20:30 |
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