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| nivw | hi all | 07:16 |
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| nivw | after the last upgrade I get a notification I am running low on space | 07:16 |
| nivw | how to free space? | 07:16 |
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| nivw | can I rm /var/cache/apt/*.deb ? | 07:16 |
| Nicd- | no, because sailfish does not use apt or deb packages | 07:17 |
| nivw | I know | 07:17 |
| nivw | but where are all the old rpm located? | 07:17 |
| Teme | all the more reason to delete such packages then? ;) | 07:17 |
| Nicd- | in any case you should not just remove files wherever but find out what uses the most space and what makes sense to delete | 07:18 |
| Nicd- | there's an app called space inspector in the store, it can help with that | 07:18 |
| nivw | thanks Nicd | 07:20 |
| Nicd- | do note that it does not deal with symlinks though. for example it counts /opt/alien/home/nemo and /home/nemo as different | 07:20 |
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| flux | for some reason my GPS is being active and eating battery. I disabled system/location/location and the satellite symbol still persists. | 07:43 |
| flux | is there some hack I can do to make it go away? or do I need to reboot?-o | 07:43 |
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| flux | well, at least the symbol went away when I did some killing to the geoclue processes.. | 07:56 |
| flux | remains to be seen if I can anymore make use of gps :-) | 07:57 |
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| Stskeeps | morn SfietKonstantinW | 08:12 |
| SfietKonstantinW | morn Stskeeps | 08:12 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | hi guys | 09:43 |
| SfietKonstantinW | morning dr_gogeta86 | 09:43 |
| locusf | hey dr_gogeta86 | 09:44 |
| dr_gogeta86 | SfietKonstantinW, how do you do | 09:44 |
| dr_gogeta86 | ? | 09:44 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | fine | 09:57 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | how many devs on patchmanager ? | 10:02 |
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| coderus | dr_gogeta86: 500 | 10:11 |
| dr_gogeta86 | really ? | 10:11 |
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| Venemo_j | documents app is so shitty | 10:39 |
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| Venemo_j | or at least, very annoying to use | 10:39 |
| leinir | fix it? it's free and stuff :) | 10:41 |
| Mikaela | The only problem I have with it is that if I turn screeen around it "loses" the document and I must swipe down and reopen it and the document. I have only used it for bus tickets though | 10:42 |
| Venemo_j | that doesn't happen with me | 10:44 |
| Venemo_j | my issue is that there is no way to jump to a specific page | 10:45 |
| Venemo_j | so if you have a 100-page PDF, you're screwed | 10:48 |
| Venemo_j | leinir: is it free? srsly? | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_j: https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-office | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | go nutts | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:49 |
| Venemo_j | woe | 10:50 |
| Venemo_j | I had no idea | 10:50 |
| Venemo_j | thanks! | 10:50 |
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| Venemo_j | if I contribute, is my stuff gonna end up in an update eventually? | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 10:52 |
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| Stskeeps | provided it's merged, naturally | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:52 |
| scottc | Stskeeps: you always reply to questions so quickly, I wonder how you do it :D | 10:52 |
| scottc | do you have "update" highlighted or something? | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | scottc: i'm probably a robot | 10:53 |
| scottc | probably ;) | 10:53 |
| TemeV | Stskeeps: speed of your replies is probably the reason you fail turing test :) | 10:53 |
| Aard | Venemo_j: in case you're really bored, edit support would be nice :p | 10:54 |
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| teve | Venemo_j: https://frinring.wordpress.com/2015/04/08/first-success-in-calligras-2nd-port-to-qt5-kf5/ | 10:54 |
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| Venemo_j | nah, I'm not that bored... | 10:55 |
| Venemo_j | ;) | 10:55 |
| Venemo_j | teve: interesting | 10:55 |
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| jaacoppi | huh, occasionally after I unlock the phone it wants me to install an unwanted software Snow white. I have a feeling that's an ambience but don't know why it wants to be installed | 11:58 |
| Yaniel | it is | 11:58 |
| Yaniel | the ambience that is tied to the white default cover | 11:58 |
| jaacoppi | why would it want to install itself? | 11:59 |
| jaacoppi | I mean, why now | 12:00 |
| jaacoppi | I've had the phone for two months already | 12:00 |
| ggabriel | maybe you lost your nfc connection | 12:00 |
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| ggabriel | and when you put the thing back in, it tries to switch to that ambience | 12:00 |
| ggabriel | i dropped the phone yesterday and it happened :) | 12:00 |
| urs | jmlich: it re-informs you about that every time you take off the cover and put it back on | 12:00 |
| ggabriel | unsure as to why it wants to install though, since it's already there | 12:00 |
| ggabriel | oh, actually, it isn't :) | 12:00 |
| urs | s/julich/jaacoppi/ | 12:01 |
| jaacoppi | urs: stop hilighting half the people here.. | 12:01 |
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| urs | sry! | 12:01 |
| ggabriel | lol, sorry urs, but that was a double fail :) | 12:01 |
| jaacoppi | I don't actually want the ambience. Guess I'll install it and switch back to my previous one | 12:02 |
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| ggabriel | jaacoppi: that normally works | 12:02 |
| ggabriel | although it switches back automatically | 12:02 |
| ggabriel | when you reinsert the other half | 12:02 |
| ggabriel | i think | 12:02 |
| jaacoppi | I'll install it the next time it happens and hope it'll never happen again | 12:03 |
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| jaacoppi | I don't care much about the other half. I generally look at the screen and not the back cover so I barely remember toh is there | 12:03 |
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| FireFly | Same, for now | 12:06 |
| TemeV | jaacoppi: i just removed the nfc tag to get permanently rid of that feature | 12:11 |
| chem|st | TemeV: you can just disable the .service for that matter^^ | 12:11 |
| TemeV | chem|st: I still want the tohkbd to work when it arrives | 12:12 |
| TemeV | And removing the sticker is faster :) | 12:12 |
| chem|st | TemeV: I am faster with typing it in a shell than removing a toh find a knife and remove the sticker | 12:14 |
| chem|st | TemeV: and tohkbd is i2c, why should it depend on a nfc service? | 12:16 |
| TemeV | it is the same toh.service, isn't it? | 12:16 |
| chem|st | toh.service identifies a cover and makes you download stuff, after that there is not much use to it | 12:16 |
| TemeV | And anyway, I don't want to get rid of TOHs alltogether, I just don't want the dummy ones to change my ambiances. Ever | 12:17 |
| TemeV | And removing the stick is faster than typing with fingerterm | 12:17 |
| TemeV | *sticker | 12:18 |
| chem|st | I hope we can "manage" that behaviour in software in the future... | 12:18 |
| FireFly | I haven't had any problem yet with the NFC tag.. | 12:18 |
| chem|st | TemeV: so where do you store the stickers? | 12:18 |
| TemeV | But this is really stupid argument :) | 12:18 |
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| TemeV | chem|st: I threw it away | 12:18 |
| ggabriel | it's an awesome argument :) | 12:18 |
| Lieke | shouldn't the ambience change only if you favorited the toh ambience? | 12:19 |
| ggabriel | fwiw, i don't think it should change the ambience if you have a non-toh one selected | 12:19 |
| chem|st | Lieke: oh yes that too! | 12:19 |
| ggabriel | uhm... ok, that doesn't happen | 12:19 |
| ggabriel | or maybe mine is a different problem | 12:19 |
| TemeV | oh yeah, they fixed it to be that way | 12:19 |
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| ggabriel | i did drop the phone though, maybe it tried to punish me | 12:20 |
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| FireFly | I should find some more ambience wallpapers.. | 12:20 |
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| TemeV | And also removing the sticker fixed the NFC bug back in the days. I think that was the real reason to remove it | 12:20 |
| chem|st | TemeV: I just disabled the service, same effect | 12:20 |
| TemeV | And now we can start the argument from the beginning :p | 12:21 |
| chem|st | you destroy hardware, your turn! | 12:21 |
| TemeV | I'm a hw designer so I search hw solutions | 12:21 |
| TemeV | And I just removed some bloat from the hw | 12:22 |
| chem|st | with BOFH approaches? who hires such HW designers? | 12:22 |
| TemeV | so it was an improvement | 12:22 |
| TemeV | ? | 12:23 |
| chem|st | "my phone is not working", you take away the phone "you now do not have a non-working phone anymore!" | 12:24 |
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| scottc | hahah | 12:24 |
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| FireFly | Makes sense. I'm a software person so I try to avoid messing with hardware when possible since I probaby woulnd't be able to fix it | 12:24 |
| TemeV | It was more like surgeon removing cancer from my phone :p | 12:25 |
| scottc | ouch | 12:25 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: sadly, sometimes that's the right approach | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | or a researcher; that somebody confiscating a person's phone at a security checkpoint is the state lobotomizing a citizen.. | 12:25 |
| TemeV | Instead of rewiring the brain to tolerate the cancer | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:26 |
| chem|st | the one I love the most is "I have 50MB home and it is always full can you help me please!" - "You now have 50MB of free space!" - "Oh thanks so I have 100MB in my home now?" - "No, 50MB!" - "ARGH!" | 12:26 |
| jaacoppi | BOFH is awesome | 12:27 |
| chem|st | TemeV: removing the liver right with it! | 12:28 |
| FireFly | chem|st: lol | 12:28 |
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| TemeV | chem|st: well the liver is totally useless anyway. It is the only organ preventing my from being drunk all the time | 12:29 |
| chem|st | I try to not fix things the non-BOFH way as someone told me people will like me more if I don't - wait a sec, I don't give a shit! | 12:29 |
| TemeV | chem|st: you approach prevents me from getting a new liver from an organ doner | 12:30 |
| chem|st | TemeV: I cure cancer! | 12:31 |
| chem|st | ;) | 12:32 |
| scottc | "pfff, you don't need a liver anyway!" | 12:32 |
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| chem|st | scottc: if you like wearing an ABC-suit all day... that is ok with me! | 12:33 |
| scottc | :) | 12:33 |
| chem|st | and a stomach-probe probably too | 12:34 |
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| Aciid | https://together.jolla.com/question/88912/messaging-leading-spaces/ get on this | 17:29 |
| Aciid | need to use iphone to comms with my PLC not cool | 17:30 |
| the_mgt | that's what I call a first world problem par excellance :D | 17:36 |
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| Aciid | I can assure you i've heard it all "Use some android SMS app", "Make a QT SMS app". I don't see why an OS would restrict me from using a leading space ;_;;;; | 17:38 |
| narchie | is this the #peoplepowered we were promised? | 17:38 |
| Aciid | freedoms provided | 17:38 |
| Nicd- | narchie: what is? | 17:38 |
| Aciid | trimming leading spaces #peoplepower | 17:39 |
| Aciid | no choice | 17:39 |
| narchie | yes | 17:39 |
| tadzik | damn, leading spaces such a big deal | 17:39 |
| the_mgt | it is more likely #usedby0,001%ofthecommunitybutwestartashitstormanyway :D | 17:39 |
| tadzik | good thing we don't have more annoying problems, like it being impossible to change a default browser or something... | 17:39 |
| Aciid | > no choice over autocorrection | 17:39 |
| Aciid | > 2015 | 17:39 |
| Aciid | > developer phone | 17:40 |
| narchie | nice freedom | 17:40 |
| tadzik | what is this bullshit | 17:40 |
| tadzik | what no choice over autocorrection | 17:40 |
| Nicd- | > developer > doesn't know how to send SMS from command line | 17:40 |
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| Nicd- | > uses greentext on IRC | 17:40 |
| tadzik | hah | 17:40 |
| tadzik | Rekt status: ☐ rekt ☐ not rekt ☑ Tyrannosaurus rekt | 17:40 |
| tadzik | > uses greentext properly on irc | 17:40 |
| Aciid | rustled properly | 17:40 |
| tadzik | aw, -c | 17:40 |
| tadzik | my plugin is for naught :( | 17:40 |
| Aciid | hows that perl working out for you | 17:41 |
| tadzik | marvelously | 17:41 |
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| tadzik | but that plugin is python | 17:41 |
| narchie | /set irc.look.smart_filter on | 17:42 |
| Aciid | *tips* weechat | 17:42 |
| Aciid | my'client | 17:43 |
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| Nicd- | weechat <3 | 17:43 |
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| Aciid | so yeah maybe I should just abandon the thought of `freedoms provided` and #peoplepower , tho my iphone battery lasts a whole week in the lab lol | 17:44 |
| Aciid | I trusted you . tiff | 17:45 |
| Nicd- | yeah, because jolla should implement each and every request | 17:45 |
| Nicd- | that would result in a great product released on time | 17:45 |
| Aciid | > not opensourcing non-core | 17:45 |
| the_mgt | you probably should abandon a service that uses something as obscure as a leading free space in an sms ;) | 17:45 |
| tadzik | ^ | 17:45 |
| tadzik | also, way to start a shitstorm | 17:45 |
| Nicd- | Aciid: what is core? the UX is their core business value | 17:45 |
| tadzik | "I don't like a feature that normal people find handy, this is not the freedom I fought for!!!!!111" | 17:45 |
| the_mgt | I can understand that you are upset, I also upvoted your request, Aciid | 17:46 |
| Aciid | thanks ;_;; | 17:46 |
| the_mgt | still, it is something rather uncommon | 17:46 |
| Aciid | sorry for the ruses | 17:46 |
| tadzik | and it would help if you were a bit more civilized about it :) | 17:46 |
| Aciid | it's just that I don't understand in a way of logic how would someone come to think it as a feature | 17:46 |
| tadzik | just because it's IRC doesn't mean you have to throw shit around | 17:47 |
| Aciid | i was suprised at first | 17:47 |
| Nicd- | I do | 17:47 |
| tadzik | a tone akin to your TJC post will be more effective | 17:47 |
| the_mgt | I guess 95% of all people do not understand why it is a feature to start a sms with a free space in order to trigger anything but irritation | 17:47 |
| Nicd- | despite what you may think, the Sailfish UI is not oriented towards developers specifically | 17:47 |
| Aciid | thats why theres community channels for, to start ruse | 17:47 |
| Nicd- | normal people would appreciate trimming the whitespace | 17:47 |
| Aciid | nobody reads together lol | 17:47 |
| Aciid | unless some topdog posts a comment/answer | 17:48 |
| the_mgt | because people are spamming it with useless feature requests and hatred | 17:48 |
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| Aciid | then a question gets like 5k views | 17:48 |
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| tadzik | with the amount of shit jolla's getting through it, I suspect they regret putting it up in the first place | 17:49 |
| the_mgt | it is the same as with any internet forum or wherever you post. people with the most free time flood it with shit and the trolls have a hayday. sadly. | 17:49 |
| Aciid | so yeah this retard piece of modem discards messages that dont start with spaces. also yes I dont have the firmware because it's propertiary lol | 17:49 |
| Aciid | automation hardware no freedom | 17:49 |
| tadzik | or they developed a good, healthy ignorance to bullshit :) | 17:49 |
| the_mgt | would you mind sharing the name of the modem, so other could avoid buying it, Aciid? ;) | 17:50 |
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| Aciid | http://www.teltonika.lt/en/ | 17:50 |
| the_mgt | Content on this page requires a newer version of Adobe Flash Player. | 17:51 |
| the_mgt | nuff said | 17:51 |
| Aciid | yup | 17:51 |
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| the_mgt | interesting devices, though | 17:53 |
| r0kk3rz | so why do you need to interface this thing with the jolla? | 17:53 |
| r0kk3rz | or was that explained earlier | 17:53 |
| Aciid | mainly when im working on them I use my phone to test I/O. so I dont have to bulk in with the serial interface | 17:54 |
| Aciid | they share a common SMS gateway to command them via internet and UDP server | 17:55 |
| Aciid | but a phone is more portable when you are running installations | 17:55 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah thats fair enough | 17:55 |
| r0kk3rz | i remember doing similar things for the alert pagers in my last job | 17:56 |
| r0kk3rz | https://together.jolla.com/question/17992/sending-an-sms-via-the-command-line/ << this may help you | 17:56 |
| r0kk3rz | not sure whether that strips the leading space or not | 17:57 |
| r0kk3rz | depends on where it gets trimmed i guess, in the gui or lower down in the stack | 17:57 |
| Aciid | I think it's the messaging app that trims | 17:57 |
| Aciid | since it renders it without space after <send> | 17:57 |
| Aciid | but it has a space while typing | 17:57 |
| r0kk3rz | then maybe writing up a few test scripts with dbus commands will do the trick | 17:58 |
| Aciid | dbus something you can hook into with QT if one would develop an app for this? | 17:58 |
| Yaniel | yes | 17:59 |
| Aciid | having a simple few buttons/dropdowns for these commands would solve my day actually | 17:59 |
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| Aciid | gotta download that sdk then | 17:59 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah its pretty easy, you dont even need cpp for dbus commands i dont think | 17:59 |
| kimmoli | i tried to send over dbus, but couldn't verify it as the spaces are trimmed also from received message | 17:59 |
| r0kk3rz | quick 1 page silica app | 17:59 |
| Yaniel | there is a dbus viewer in the app store for example | 17:59 |
| kimmoli | https://together.jolla.com/question/17992/sending-an-sms-via-the-command-line/?answer=18185#post-id-18185 | 18:00 |
| Aciid | kimmoli: spaces are also trimmed on the received messages | 18:01 |
| Aciid | just sent an SMS from the iphone with 4 leading spaces | 18:01 |
| Aciid | rendered the notification on jolla without spaces . copypasted it in the messaging app, no spaces there either | 18:02 |
| kimmoli | the dbus works | 18:03 |
| r0kk3rz | maybe qt is trying to be helpful | 18:03 |
| r0kk3rz | who knows | 18:03 |
| kimmoli | at least there was no such function in qml side, which could have been easily hacked | 18:04 |
| kimmoli | had to wake up my featurephone to check this :) | 18:05 |
| r0kk3rz | haha | 18:05 |
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| r0kk3rz | Aciid: http://nemo-qml-plugin-dbus.readthedocs.org/en/latest/#calling-a-function-on-a-session-bus-object << example code | 18:15 |
| narchie | too bad the sdk hangs since january | 18:17 |
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| r0kk3rz | since january? thats a long time to hang | 18:20 |
| r0kk3rz | i would have restarted my computer well before now | 18:20 |
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| Aciid | roboro: thanks =) | 18:22 |
| Aciid | just got the sdk installed | 18:22 |
| attah | I wonder.. could it be that the tel link thingy is "answered" that prevents it from being "tracked by Jolla"? | 18:25 |
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| r0kk3rz | attah: only 30 questions or so are 'tracked by jolla' | 18:27 |
| r0kk3rz | so who knows | 18:27 |
| attah | yeah.. i guess | 18:27 |
| Aciid | beaware virtualbox 5 beta , no mersdk found :D | 18:29 |
| Aciid | gotta downgrade | 18:29 |
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| attah | I'd say it's one of the more annoying parts of Sailfish not being fully open source.. not being able to send patches | 18:33 |
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| kimmoli | Aciid: do you want to code it yourself... meanwhile i made simple app for it | 18:35 |
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| Aciid | kimmoli: still reinstallin virtualbox versions to get mersdk to work ;) | 18:51 |
| Aciid | but open for suggestions , you are too kind again | 18:51 |
| r0kk3rz | try and do it yourself Aciid, it should be very easy | 18:52 |
| r0kk3rz | and is a good introduction to making sailfish apps | 18:52 |
| kimmoli | :) it is systembus call | 18:52 |
| Aciid | kimmoli: didn't get anywhere with that nokia n97 keyboard btw the leads were too much of mechanically soldered for me | 18:52 |
| kimmoli | ah that. ok | 18:52 |
| Aciid | yeah I think ill do the buttons/dropdown anyways, would not excpect anyone to code a full sms app clone | 18:52 |
| kimmoli | so, you intend to use c++/qml or only qml? | 18:53 |
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| Aciid | I havent used qt creator before , this ui is all new also | 18:54 |
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| kimmoli | https://github.com/kimmoli/Sailfish-qtcreator-wizard | 18:57 |
| kimmoli | this one might help if/when you get to C++/QML combo | 18:57 |
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| Aciid | kimmoli: got the template working, seems to provide much more than the stock template thanks | 19:09 |
| narchie | any pointers on how to deploy custom sounds? | 19:10 |
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| narchie | or bundle rather, where do they go in the project folder/final install | 19:10 |
| narchie | or custom files for that matter | 19:10 |
| kimmoli | if you install something that is not under /usr/share/your-app/qml -folder, you need to add separate installer in .pro for them | 19:11 |
| narchie | so I can have files in /qml and have them bundled in the app? | 19:12 |
| kimmoli | everything under /usr/share/your-app/qml is included in the CONFIG += sailfishapp install section iirc | 19:12 |
| narchie | alright, thanks kimmoli | 19:12 |
| kimmoli | but if you want to have e.g. /usr/share/your-app/data then you need few lines in .pro | 19:12 |
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| Aciid | hmm how do I install plugins to qt creator? found this nemomobile group in github that has a ton of qml plugins | 19:35 |
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| Aciid | https://github.com/nemomobile | 19:37 |
| kimmoli | http://127.0.0.1:8080 | 19:37 |
| Aciid | oh | 19:39 |
| Aciid | this is new | 19:39 |
| Aciid | thanks again :D | 19:40 |
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| coderus | Aciid: you probably want this: https://github.com/CODeRUS/better-sailfishos-qmltypes | 20:36 |
| Aciid | so much ready code | 20:43 |
| Aciid | thanks | 20:43 |
| Aciid | it seems like the community is really building stuff | 20:43 |
| Aciid | if you know where to look :3 | 20:43 |
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| Aciid | sailfishos/jolla could use a structured wiki for all this stuff | 20:49 |
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| coderus | sailfish/jolla could use any wiki at first :D | 21:13 |
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| chem|st | coderus: wiki.maemo.org... | 21:32 |
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| Anonyneko | Which gives a really welcoming "You don't have permission to access / on this server." message | 21:37 |
| Anonyneko | (Not to mention talk.maemo.org that thinks I'm a spammer) | 21:39 |
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| coderus | chem|st: sure, there are many wiki sites we can use | 21:42 |
| coderus | but i'm talking about jolla one | 21:42 |
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| chem|st | coderus: and I am talking about starting to collect jolla stuff at maemo.org just like using the forums | 21:46 |
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| chem|st | Anonyneko: using proxies and TOR gives you IP addresses that we block currently, yes | 21:47 |
| Anonyneko | B-but I'm not using any of those | 21:48 |
| chem|st | Anonyneko: then you might want to tell someone *facepalm* | 21:48 |
| Anonyneko | Well, I do use Hola whenever I need to lurk the forums looking for answers | 21:49 |
| Anonyneko | That seems to work | 21:49 |
| chem|st | send an email to techstaff at maemo.org with details so we can figure it out please | 21:51 |
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| coderus | chem|st: i know you like tmo, but we really need jolla hosted wiki, most sailors ignoring tmo | 21:57 |
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| M4rtinK | coderus: I'm not holding my hopes hight | 21:58 |
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| Anonyneko | I didn't even know it existed before googling sailfish issues, never had maemo devices or anything like that | 21:58 |
| M4rtinK | considering how "behind shedule" the Jolla web presence is | 21:58 |
| M4rtinK | they didn't even put the Silica reference back online | 21:59 |
| Anonyneko | The only non-android linux device I had was an old Archos with Qtopia | 21:59 |
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| M4rtinK | after the site revamp | 21:59 |
| Anonyneko | Yeah, I was quite disappointed they omitted that | 21:59 |
| M4rtinK | it has been what, 3 months like this ? | 21:59 |
| Anonyneko | At least it's still in the IDE, but... | 21:59 |
| M4rtinK | who uses *that* ? :P | 21:59 |
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| Anonyneko | Well, no other choice | 21:59 |
| M4rtinK | I usually just read the source of the given component | 22:00 |
| M4rtinK | either on my Jolla | 22:00 |
| M4rtinK | or in the mirror tbr made | 22:00 |
| M4rtinK | ( https://github.com/dm8tbr/sailfishsilica-qt5 ) | 22:00 |
| Anonyneko | I don't really know where to find those sources so I just google for Qt analogues | 22:00 |
| Anonyneko | Oh thx | 22:00 |
| M4rtinK | other than that | 22:01 |
| Anonyneko | So they opensourced that at least | 22:01 |
| M4rtinK | /usr/lib/qt5/qml/Sailfish/Silica | 22:02 |
| M4rtinK | and | 22:02 |
| M4rtinK | /usr/lib/qt5/qml/Sailfish | 22:02 |
| M4rtinK | for the other imports | 22:02 |
| Anonyneko | Nice | 22:02 |
| M4rtinK | the QML part of Silica is BSD | 22:02 |
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| chem|st | coderus: yeah sure but after 2 years no forum and no wiki and more traffic on tmo than on tjc about sailfish and jolla I guess you can say it is a good start | 22:03 |
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| M4rtinK | actually | 22:04 |
| Anonyneko | I think there's a general lack of tutorials on sailfish app development, like, I came from Android dev and not from Qt and I didn't realize at first what's what | 22:04 |
| M4rtinK | I prefer TMO to any other forum :) | 22:04 |
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| M4rtinK | chem|st: also, thanks yet again for keeping it alive! :) | 22:04 |
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| chem|st | M4rtinK: that won't change from my side ;) | 22:05 |
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| Anonyneko | Like http://developer.blackberry.com/native/documentation/dev/fundamentals/index.html this is what I expected to see (I only found out later that it's also Qt and generally similar) | 22:05 |
| M4rtinK | Anonyneko: all fine until your debug token expires :) | 22:06 |
| M4rtinK | or signed app behaves differently than unsigned one | 22:06 |
| M4rtinK | or you find that half of the Qt modules are missing | 22:06 |
| M4rtinK | or you find they fired all people who were supposed to support developers | 22:07 |
| M4rtinK | and not even talking about the ridiculous requirements for background apps :) | 22:07 |
| chem|st | or set the platform on fire | 22:07 |
| Anonyneko | Well, I haven't actually tried devving for blackberry and I don't really plan to, but that sounds pretty frustrating | 22:07 |
| M4rtinK | I participated in the BB10 developer program | 22:08 |
| M4rtinK | and even got the Z10 LE for it | 22:08 |
| Anonyneko | A friend of mine did, too | 22:08 |
| M4rtinK | but it didn't really make a good impression on me | 22:08 |
| M4rtinK | there were people who did one for basically sending them a Hello World :) | 22:09 |
| Anonyneko | I considered that at some point but was too lazy to bother trying | 22:09 |
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| M4rtinK | I did it the hard way :) | 22:26 |
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| M4rtinK | even ported PySide so that I could port my Mieru manga and comic book viewer :) | 22:26 |
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| M4rtinK | its still the in the BlackBerry world app store :) | 22:27 |
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