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| urs | My jolla store app seems to be continuously stuck in "Loading apps" (and showing the spinning thingy). Is that a known problem? | 09:37 |
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| tadzik | poke the internet connection? | 09:38 |
| jaacoppi | I had a few weeks ago. Problem disappeared the next day | 09:38 |
| urs | tried it with two different wlans (one at university, one at home), and it has been like this for a couple of days now | 09:39 |
| jaacoppi | I had a similar problem a few weeks ago that is. One app wasn't loading, another one was | 09:39 |
| jaacoppi | do you have a problem with many different apps? | 09:39 |
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| urs | dunno, haven't noticed any other app having problems | 09:39 |
| urs | In the "Sailfish OS update" section of the settings app tho, that one just says "waiting for connection" | 09:40 |
| urs | anybody know what the host is they are trying to reach? | 09:40 |
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| jaacoppi | I mean, when you use Store to load different apps, do you have problems with all downloads or just with some downloads? | 09:42 |
| urs | the store doesn't even start. | 09:42 |
| urs | it opens, shows an "Loading apps" screen, nothing happens. | 09:43 |
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| jaacoppi | aah okay. My bad | 09:48 |
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| xfade_ | urs: try removing your jolla account on device and adding it again.. Or 'update credentials' in settings -> accounts | 09:52 |
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| urs | xfade_: indeed, that helped! | 09:57 |
| urs | bizarre, why was that neccessary? | 09:58 |
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| tadzik | shouldn't be, but bugs happen :) | 10:36 |
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| nivw | Is anyone here from the Netherlands? | 10:46 |
| nivw | I am traveling in the end of the month, and will be happy to meet fellow developers | 10:47 |
| xfade_ | urs: your token probably expired, it should have given an error though. | 10:51 |
| urs | xfade_: maybe because I switched countries? (Normally in finland, right now in germany) | 10:54 |
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| ggabriel | stezz's ipv6 addr contains the word "beef". nice | 13:24 |
| Nicd- | look at mine :) | 13:25 |
| ggabriel | nice | 13:25 |
| Nicd- | set :5ea:f:c01d:da7a for a friend | 13:26 |
| gabriel9 | i see | 13:26 |
| Nicd- | let me know if you can come up with funny ones :) | 13:27 |
| Nicd- | I like to change them every once in a while | 13:27 |
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| henk | hi, can I remove the sd card while the jolla is running? | 13:30 |
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| henk | should I unmount or anything? | 13:30 |
| ggabriel | henk: if you umount, yes | 13:30 |
| ggabriel | worth checking it doesn't remount automatically | 13:30 |
| pahartik | Nicd-: One of mobile network operators in Finland has announced availability of IPv6 to customers, did you notice? | 13:31 |
| Nicd- | pahartik: which one? | 13:32 |
| temmi_hoo | is it sonera/tele or some of the irrelevant ones? | 13:32 |
| pp | dna | 13:32 |
| pp | but only for two types of subscriptions | 13:32 |
| pp | mine isn't included :( | 13:32 |
| Nicd- | hmm, I have a company contract from DNA, 4G | 13:32 |
| Nicd- | any links? | 13:32 |
| pp | https://tuki.dna.fi/org/dna-fi/d/dna-ottaa-kayttoon-ipv4v6-protokollan-dna-veppi-4g/ | 13:32 |
| pahartik | Nicd-: I refer to document at "https://tuki.dna.fi/org/dna-fi/d/dna-ottaa-kayttoon-ipv4v6-protokollan-dna-veppi-4g/" | 13:33 |
| pp | I have superäly 4g super whatnot paketti which is 50Mbps (but some minutes/sms's on top), and ipv6 din't seem to work with dbus magic love that should do the trick | 13:34 |
| temmi_hoo | does dna offer prepaid 4g so that i could check if their network actually works here? | 13:34 |
| henk | ggabriel: thank you, works fine. Didn’t seem to remount (at least not very fast). | 13:34 |
| pp | but it's only a few months until the big launch and I suppose it'll work then | 13:34 |
| pahartik | pp: You tried with "Jolla Mobile"? | 13:36 |
| pp | yea, there's a dbus command that "should" enable ipv4v6 | 13:37 |
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| pp | but no connecivity at all when I did it (but my subscription isn't on the list, so that's a likely cause...) | 13:37 |
| pahartik | pp: Where is it described? | 13:37 |
| pp | #jollamobile.log:09:32 < tigeli> tore_: /bin/dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.ofono /ril_0/context1 org.ofono.ConnectionContext.SetProperty string:"Protocol" variant:string:"ipv6" | 13:38 |
| pp | ipv6 -> dual for ipv4v6 | 13:39 |
| Nicd- | they're giving everyone a /64, they're doing it right :) | 13:39 |
| pahartik | pp: I have been using mobile network IPv6 (only) with "Google Asus Nexus 7 LTE CyanogenMod", works well... Could try that with "Jolla Mobile" soon... | 13:40 |
| Mikaela | do I remember correctly that Jolla only supports IPv6 for WLAN at the moment? | 13:40 |
| Aard | Nicd-: giving everyone a /64 is not 'doing it right' | 13:40 |
| * pp has a /48 from sixxs, that's 'doing it right' | 13:41 | |
| Aard | the original intention was to give everyone at least a /48 (which admittedly is a bit insane for most people), but minimum should be somewhere at /60 | 13:41 |
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| Nicd- | Aard: I've read that giving an end user a /64 is the preferred way and should suffice for the usual use cases | 13:41 |
| Nicd- | is there something it's too small for? | 13:42 |
| Aard | Nicd-: it's the preferred way of old fashioned telcos | 13:43 |
| pahartik | pp: I would like that mobile network /64 to be statically assigned to IMEI | 13:43 |
| Aard | you can't split it down to smaller networks | 13:43 |
| Nicd- | ok, I'll change my opinion from "doing it right" to "could be worse" :P | 13:44 |
| Aard | which would be quite desirable. for example, you put all your fridges and other home appliances in one network, separate from entertainment stuff, separated from real computers. that way you can easily prevent your porn collection being watched by your fridge when it gets infected due to lack of firmware upgrades | 13:44 |
| Nicd- | what requires such huge networks? autodiscovery? | 13:44 |
| warfare | Nicd-: Stateless Autoconfiguration. | 13:46 |
| Aard | basically yes, to be more exact, the address generation mandates a 64bit part, usually created from an 48bit mac address | 13:46 |
| Nicd- | oh well, at least it's better than nothing | 13:46 |
| Nicd- | my previous VPS provider used to give out 16 IPv6 addresses. in total | 13:46 |
| Mikaela | DO? | 13:47 |
| Nicd- | no, a small one | 13:47 |
| Aard | Nicd-: come one, I've waited since 2003 to get native IPv6 at home (and still don't have it), and after all that time if I ever get it I can expect to get less from it than using tunneling? | 13:47 |
| Nicd- | now I have a /56 from Linode and it's nice | 13:47 |
| Nicd- | Aard: well these are not enthusiast contracts anyway | 13:48 |
| Nicd- | maybe you should send them feedback :) | 13:49 |
| Aard | see above, I'd expect a sane consumer router to offer zoning options once you can't buy fridges without internet connection anymore so that the average user can easily prevent his home network from going bad | 13:49 |
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| Aard | on the other hand, I'm not sure if something like a 'sane consumer router' exists | 13:49 |
| Nicd- | I don't really know any consumer routers where IPv6 is done even passably | 13:50 |
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| warfare | Aard: They[tm] are working on it: https://ripe67.ripe.net/presentations/195-townsley-ipv6-homenet-ripe67-athens-distribution.pdf | 13:52 |
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| Aard | sigh. acroread now is properly dead on linux. and I didn't find any somewhat usable replacement yet | 13:57 |
| SfietKonstantinW | Aard: what do you want for a pdf reader ? | 13:57 |
| svuorela | Aard: usable replacement in sense of renderer or in sense of 'application layer' ? | 13:57 |
| SfietKonstantinW | can't any poppler based pdf reader do the job ? | 13:58 |
| Aard | SfietKonstantinW: fast, no annoying/big UI, allows text selection / copy, tabs for having multiple documents open, display index on the site for documents which have it, don't pull in gnome or kde, and ideally support filling out forms (though iirc there's none doing hte last one) | 14:01 |
| Aard | and by 'text selection' I don't mean 'select a menu item and draw a box on the screen' | 14:02 |
| svuorela | Aard: okular :P | 14:02 |
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| FireFly | it pulls in KDE though | 14:03 |
| warfare | Aard: Is xpdf still alive? | 14:03 |
| svuorela | it doesn't install any people on your computer. Just a set of libraries. | 14:03 |
| tigeli | pp: the current release of sailfishos does not include all the needed parts for ipv6 to work on mobile | 14:03 |
| tigeli | pp: but next one will | 14:03 |
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| Aard | warfare: define alive. it seems it still exists, but none of the distributions packages it. I used to use that for quickly viewing stuff where acroread was too big | 14:04 |
| warfare | hrhm. | 14:05 |
| svuorela | Aard: xpdf is available in my debian (but rebased to build on top of poppler) | 14:05 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | okular do not allow text selection, you have to draw the box | 14:05 |
| tigeli | Aard: viestintvirasto recommendation is that operator will give /56's for customers | 14:05 |
| SfietKonstantinW | acroread is just not fast | 14:05 |
| SfietKonstantinW | so ... | 14:06 |
| tigeli | Aard: and mobile networks will someday finally support PD, and then you will get more than /64 | 14:06 |
| svuorela | SfietKonstantinW: my okular allows me to just select text | 14:06 |
| svuorela | (assuming you have chosen the text selection tool, and it is actually a pdf with text, and not a pdf with images) | 14:06 |
| Aard | svuorela: I had okular installed on one computer. pulls in a lot of kde libraries I usually don't need, has quite big ui (though didn't check if it's possible to disable most), and does not do nice text selection | 14:07 |
| Bysmyyr | whats problem with text selection | 14:08 |
| Aard | tigeli: where can I sign up for that /56? :p | 14:08 |
| Bysmyyr | itis hidden to menu but anything else | 14:08 |
| Aard | Bysmyyr: I expect to just click and drag for text selection | 14:09 |
| svuorela | Aard: ctrl-4 is the shortcut for text selection | 14:10 |
| Aard | svuorela: everything else has a different shortcut for that: place mouse cursor, click, drag :p | 14:10 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | Aard: you can disable stuff for okular | 14:12 |
| SfietKonstantinW | however, okular is light enough for me | 14:12 |
| SfietKonstantinW | contrary to acroread ... | 14:12 |
| svuorela | Aard: okular seems to remember your last used selection mode for the next document, or alternatively actually defaults nowadays to text selection. I'm not sure which of them. But at least a newly generated .pdf in okular opens up in text selection mode. | 14:13 |
| Aard | SfietKonstantinW: http://pastebin.com/UdjzWhte | 14:13 |
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| svuorela | Aard: it's the icons, btw. | 14:14 |
| Aard | ? | 14:15 |
| SfietKonstantinW | Aard: yeah I know ... | 14:15 |
| SfietKonstantinW | even in their plasma 2 workspace stuff, there is still a lot of dependencies between the KDE apps and their libraries | 14:15 |
| svuorela | Aard: if you are talking about the sizes. | 14:15 |
| SfietKonstantinW | if you want any single KDE app, you will pull tons of kf5-<somelib> | 14:16 |
| svuorela | SfietKonstantinW: since when is using shared libraries bad ? | 14:16 |
| SfietKonstantinW | Aard: does pulling libs bother you actually ? | 14:16 |
| SfietKonstantinW | svuorela: I'm not worried, I'm actually asking Aard, since he is bothered about this | 14:16 |
| SfietKonstantinW | ;) | 14:16 |
| svuorela | ..but I_do wonder why all that yast stuff is needed. for that, you need to blame your distributor. | 14:16 |
| SfietKonstantinW | svuorela: maybe a system update | 14:17 |
| Aard | SfietKonstantinW: yes, I try to keep my base installation as small as possible | 14:17 |
| SfietKonstantinW | or maybe some yast plugin for system settings | 14:17 |
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| Aard | no, the yast stuff is some weird suse dependency | 14:17 |
| * SfietKonstantinW have KDE4 plasma 5 and Gnome 3 installed | 14:17 | |
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| Aard | the only gnome parts here are gnome-vfs2, libgnome-desktop and some icons | 14:19 |
| Aard | and of course big parts of the gtk hell | 14:20 |
| svuorela | Aard: but. luckily, okular and poppler are both free software, so you can likely adapt to your wishes :P | 14:21 |
| SfietKonstantinW | Aard: don't listen to svuorela, you have better to do: do some SFOS releases :P | 14:22 |
| Aard | SfietKonstantinW: I can get my acroread back by having a windows kvm :p | 14:22 |
| svuorela | ..and you think oxygen icons eat a lot of your harddisk space ?? | 14:25 |
| Aard | svuorela: it's not that much about harddisk space, more about having a ton of libraries added to my core system I only use for this one case | 14:26 |
| SfietKonstantinW | Aard: are you serious Oo | 14:27 |
| FireFly | I use katarakt for reading pdfs, but unfortunately it has neither tabs nor text selection | 14:27 |
| Aard | SfietKonstantinW: bad experience with idiotic software packagers and system updates failing in exactly the stuff I usually don't use | 14:28 |
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| Aard | also bad experience with those libraries suddenly pulling in crap like avahi when updating | 14:29 |
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| truls | <3 | 17:47 |
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