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| jaacoppi | phdeswer: don't give a beer to a guy driving a tank | 06:32 |
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| zutto | yes | 06:33 |
| zutto | vodka is much better for that situation | 06:33 |
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| Teemu | tank? | 06:37 |
| tbr | for context: http://www.bfst.de/fipix/v/c304/ | 06:37 |
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| Teemu | ahh | 06:39 |
| Teemu | unstoppable | 06:40 |
| tbr | it goes places | 06:41 |
| tbr | _and_ it comes back from those | 06:41 |
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| Teemu | indeed | 06:42 |
| Teemu | allthough, if you manage to get it stuck, you'll have easily a day or two of work cut out for you | 06:43 |
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| tbr | yeah, a winch is pretty high on my wish list | 06:49 |
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| Teemu | winching that needs quite a winch, also when its stuck its _stuck_ so a crew of men with spades are also needed | 06:50 |
| Teemu | i mean, 6x6 with portal axles and locking diffs will go very far in bad places :) | 06:51 |
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| tbr | yes and I have no intention to go places where this can get stuck, because then you have a _real_ problem | 07:14 |
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| tbr | heh, predictably in the phoronix comments you can find this "Jolla phones are not an option as those even have big problems in the userspace code." | 07:25 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: ad honimem attacks are so much fun too | 07:26 |
| Stskeeps | er, ad hominem | 07:26 |
| tbr | yeah... | 07:26 |
| entil | big problems in the userspace code? wonder what they mean by that | 07:27 |
| tbr | it's a rather undefined jab. conveniently. | 07:28 |
| tbr | I _suspect_ someone is taking issue in the fact that jolla has considerable parts of userspace under proprietary licenses | 07:28 |
| entil | I can think of maybe one dead-horse-style problem | 07:28 |
| entil | tbr: that'd be the worst reason | 07:28 |
| tbr | which is a bit of a different issue than a blatant GPL violation | 07:28 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: not that a ubuntu image doesn't have parts such as here.. | 07:29 |
| entil | the most open phone on the planet - not open enough | 07:29 |
| Stskeeps | but anyway, that's not relevant to the conversation | 07:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:29 |
| tbr | and should be seen separately | 07:29 |
| tbr | exactly | 07:29 |
| keesj | is security well aranged? | 07:29 |
| entil | I'd guess it has to do with access permissions on the apps | 07:29 |
| entil | but then again, it could be a troll | 07:30 |
| tbr | anyone know if there is a canonical statement by now? | 07:30 |
| tbr | I'm really interested to hear their side of the story | 07:30 |
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| Stskeeps | tbr: there is | 07:31 |
| Stskeeps | linked at blog | 07:31 |
| * tbr goes to check | 07:32 | |
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| tbr | Stskeeps: not that it was much easier to obtain reasonable sources from Jolla either *cough* snailmailed blank DVDs *cough* images.formeego.org/jolla *cough* | 07:38 |
| tbr | but at least those don't seem to have big licensing issues | 07:38 |
| entil | "[ ]official tarballs are now at releases.sailfishos.org" | 07:44 |
| entil | http://releases.sailfishos.org/ | 07:44 |
| stephg | meh most of the phoronix comments are silly (as per usual I suppose) | 07:44 |
| entil | 403 Forbidden | 07:44 |
| jaacoppi | excuse me, but what url are you talking about? | 07:47 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: sure; but there's a source code offer on how to get it; the method sucks, agreed | 07:48 |
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| tbr | entil: have you checked in the file? | 07:48 |
| tbr | IIRC I put the URL inside as a filename can't contain slashes ;) | 07:48 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: yes | 07:49 |
| entil | tbr: http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/313/189/7e4.jpg | 07:49 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: i started reading gplv3 yesterday | 07:50 |
| stephg | you must be really sick ;) | 07:50 |
| entil | seems that /sources/ path is missing the latest update anyway | 07:50 |
| Stskeeps | probably connected to me being on sick leave | 07:51 |
| Nicd- | what phoronix comments? | 07:51 |
| tbr | entil: I guess that procedure hasn't changed | 07:51 |
| Stskeeps | it happened while on mwc | 07:51 |
| Nicd- | url? | 07:51 |
| tbr | entil: procedure being: poke carsten and be nice to him and wait a week or two | 07:51 |
| entil | I always try to be nice to him :S | 07:51 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. it was on the top of my list until my child started vomiting that same week | 07:51 |
| Stskeeps | and then i fell in | 07:51 |
| tbr | entil: you can always mail a blank DVD to the stated address, that's what I kept doing initially before we settled for direct upload to my machine. :> | 07:51 |
| tbr | not that it would be any faster | 07:52 |
| entil | heh, maybe some automatic glue in cron to do that :D | 07:52 |
| tbr | entil: apparently it's a bit of a manual process of dumping things out of OBS and sanitizing the outcome. Surely could use improvement, but nobody has time to automate repetitive tasks | 07:53 |
| tbr | also I'd always want to have a human check in the end | 07:53 |
| Stskeeps | i hope to be back in full force monday | 07:53 |
| tbr | don't want to accidentally drop some proprietary sources or release some wrong version that has proprietary headers, etc | 07:54 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: it's certainly a good way to walk the plank | 07:54 |
| tbr | like that samsung exfat driver back then :> | 07:55 |
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| jaacoppi | Nicd-: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?115968-The-BQ-Aquaris-Ubuntu-Phone-s-Kernel-Appears-To-Be-A-Toxic-Mess/page2 | 08:08 |
| Yaniel | how am I not even surprised | 08:09 |
| entil | now in context the quoted sentence looks like it is referring to licensing issues | 08:09 |
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| Nickleu | hey guys, I'm writing a little app which has 13 sliders. i put these sliders in a Column tag, but when i try to run it only 4 sliders can be shown on the screen and I can't scroll down to operate the rest of the sliders, how can I fix that? | 08:19 |
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| entil | Nickleu: when I had a question like that it was better asked on #sailfishos | 08:25 |
| entil | (and, sorry, I can't remember qml at all.. I picked up enough of it to get by what I was supposed to get by) | 08:25 |
| Nickleu | entil: ok still thanks | 08:26 |
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| lainwir3d__ | o/ | 09:00 |
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| scottc | Nickleu: look for "VerticalScrollBar" in the component gallery example project, it should have something similar that you can base your design on | 09:08 |
| Nickleu | scottc: thank you for the hint , i should check that out ad soon as i get home | 09:12 |
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| scottc | Nickleu: no problem! it's where I found lots of good examples myself, so i know it's good :) | 09:18 |
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| Bysmyyr | hmm, I cannot restore my contacts from backup | 10:43 |
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| chem|st | Bysmyyr: you can navigate to the exported file and move it to whereever jolla needs it to have it imported | 11:03 |
| Bysmyyr | I tried to import it but it never stopped. mow I tried older backup and that looks like working | 11:04 |
| chem|st | Bysmyyr: you mean the file is corrupted? or did you try the backup GUI in settings? | 11:05 |
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| Bysmyyr | I tried to import it vie filemanager also | 11:06 |
| chem|st | no idea if that is working so well?! | 11:07 |
| Bysmyyr | ? | 11:07 |
| chem|st | import from filemanager vs "import from file" in people settings | 11:07 |
| Bysmyyr | that is basicly the same, but wht is the otwer way to do that? | 11:08 |
| Bysmyyr | now I restored somewhat working version | 11:08 |
| chem|st | the other way: iirc go to settings->apps->people to import from file | 11:19 |
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| tango_ | I have very oily fingers, is there a way to prevent my jolla display from becoming a pure layer of grease when I use it? | 12:08 |
| urs | well yes: tohkbd. :) | 12:10 |
| urs | then you'll get a greasy keyboard, but a clean screen! | 12:11 |
| SQUelcher | which is fine, so the keys won't squeak :P | 12:11 |
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| jaacoppi | or go to settings->system->screen and tick "don't get oily" | 12:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | :) | 12:16 |
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| kjetilho | tango_: there are oleophobic coating kits available | 12:22 |
| kjetilho | (it's a chemical you apply to your screen and let dry) | 12:22 |
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| kjetilho | I haven't tried any of them, so can't recommend a brand. | 12:22 |
| tango_ | urs: I'm waiting for the kbd as well, let's see how much it fixes 8-D | 12:23 |
| tango_ | jaacoppi: damn, do you have a beta testing version? mine doesn't have that option | 12:24 |
| tango_ | kjetilho: I'll look into them | 12:24 |
| tango_ | thanks | 12:24 |
| urs | carve a bar of soap into the shape of a other half, snap it onto the back, use it to de-grease your fingers. :) | 12:25 |
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| tango_ | maybe I'll paint my fingers wit that oleophobic kit | 12:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | The screen protector I got doessn't seem to get prints easily | 13:31 |
| SpeedEvil | but unfortuantely, I don't know details of it | 13:31 |
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| tango_ | SpeedEvil: also maybe your fingers aren't as greasy as mine | 13:43 |
| tango_ | I mean, I manage to stripe things even _right after_ washing my hands | 13:43 |
| tango_ | how cool is that? | 13:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Perhaps | 13:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Maybe it might be simpler just to butter the phone. | 13:43 |
| tango_ | that would have been SO great if we as a species still relied on marking territory as a way to dominate | 13:43 |
| tango_ | otoh nobody wants to use my keyboards, which is a nice thing | 13:44 |
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| locusf | much lols at ijnpivnjrvi | 15:21 |
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| Yaniel | :D | 15:25 |
| tango_ | wha? | 15:25 |
| Yaniel | they should use that just to freak out foreigners | 15:25 |
| Yaniel | "do you even pronounce this?!" | 15:25 |
| locusf | https://blog.jolla.com/jolla-iteration-3/ | 15:26 |
| locusf | its already true | 15:26 |
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| Yaniel | aww yiss | 15:27 |
| uuhimhere | so jollas givin up on phines | 15:30 |
| Yaniel | when did they say that? | 15:31 |
| Yaniel | the next device being a tablet doesn't mean there won't be more phones after it | 15:31 |
| tadzik | Jolla 2 is now Half-Life 3 | 15:31 |
| tadzik | nobody ever said it'll be there, but people are going apeshit and desperate over it | 15:32 |
| Yaniel | bhehe | 15:32 |
| tadzik | (except that I didn't already beat my Jolla and it doesn't end with a cliffhanger) | 15:32 |
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| uuhimhere | i havent played hl2 | 15:33 |
| Yaniel | you did it wrong then | 15:33 |
| uuhimhere | do u get to play in zen again | 15:33 |
| uuhimhere | locusf: hows the sailpi | 15:33 |
| Yaniel | like everyday there is this huge question if the battery will last | 15:33 |
| Yaniel | and then the day is over | 15:34 |
| uuhimhere | locusf: that bad huh | 15:39 |
| uuhimhere | locusf: so did u ever get a battery | 15:43 |
| locusf | uuhimhere: yeah didn't boot rpi this week, its the same as last time | 15:45 |
| locusf | uuhimhere: so nothing new | 15:45 |
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| uuhimhere | locusf: did u ever solbe the qt issue | 15:57 |
| locusf | uuhimhere: yeah I did, now its just the compositors shader | 16:02 |
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| krnlyng | hi, any jollagram users/devs here? i am trying to use jollagram but my sent messages are not received by other users (i can only receive messages) and i cannot add contacts | 17:04 |
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| g` | hello everybody | 19:36 |
| g` | i'm getting the "Host requires authentication" with ssu register | 19:36 |
| g` | domain is sales and version is the latest available, credentials are correct since i can login from the web interface | 19:36 |
| g` | any advice? | 19:36 |
| g` | also, the device is registered in my account | 19:37 |
| Nicd- | what's ssu registeR? | 19:38 |
| g` | it's to save credentials to access pkcon repos | 19:39 |
| g` | it's the same of inserting credentials in developer mode | 19:39 |
| Nicd- | but aren't those only for jolla devs? | 19:39 |
| g` | all coounts works for the dev area too | 19:40 |
| g` | *accounts | 19:40 |
| Nicd- | at least they used to be for jolla devs only | 19:40 |
| g` | you should be able to login to https://harbour.jolla.com/ | 19:41 |
| g` | with your standard jolla credentials | 19:41 |
| Nicd- | yes, but that's harbour | 19:41 |
| Nicd- | but I dunno, someone wiser should speak instead of me | 19:42 |
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| kimmoli | dont enable ssu register on dev mode page... | 19:42 |
| g` | i got mine yesterday so obviously i can be wrong | 19:42 |
| g` | ? | 19:42 |
| kimmoli | you need only to use jolla account, from settings>accounts | 19:43 |
| g` | does that work with ssu? | 19:43 |
| kimmoli | for jolla repos afaik | 19:43 |
| g` | seems like it did't with me | 19:44 |
| g` | i tried pkcon before trying to register, and it sayd that i was missing credentials | 19:44 |
| kimmoli | pkcon works as root, devel-su | 19:45 |
| g` | so what's ssu for? | 19:45 |
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| kimmoli | ssu in terminal? | 19:45 |
| g` | ssu in general, what are that credentials for? | 19:46 |
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| kimmoli | you can add your own repositories, and manage them | 19:46 |
| g` | and where i get them? | 19:46 |
| kimmoli | the ssu under developer mode is for development updates, only available for Jolla employees | 19:46 |
| g` | ah | 19:47 |
| g` | that's clear now, thank you | 19:47 |
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| Tofe | frankly, guys, how do you choose your update names? I mean, do you try different names until the people in front of you have big round eyes saying "wtf ?!" | 21:04 |
| raa700 | they are names of finnish lakes | 21:05 |
| Ezko | yes | 21:06 |
| raa700 | in alphabetical order | 21:06 |
| Ezko | what | 21:06 |
| Tofe | I know, but I know finnish lakes that have very decent names :) | 21:06 |
| Tofe | Ezko: ä is after z in finnish | 21:07 |
| Ezko | yeah i got it now | 21:07 |
| Tofe | (and there is maybe no z originally when I think about it...) | 21:07 |
| Ezko | i just thought that there are probably like 1000 lakes that start with Aa | 21:07 |
| Ezko | but yea definitely no lakes that start with z or x | 21:08 |
| Ezko | or c | 21:08 |
| Ezko | or even c or g probably | 21:08 |
| Ezko | b or g | 21:08 |
| Tofe | there is only one letter in finnish: "a". | 21:08 |
| falfa | yes, all words are made up with that | 21:09 |
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| Nicd- | Tofe: aaaa a a aaaa a AA aAA A AAAAAAaa aaaaaa | 21:24 |
| Nicd- | aaaa? | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | next versions will be random successive digits of pi? | 21:24 |
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| Tofe | Nicd-: a. | 21:29 |
| Tofe | Stskeeps: please do, and put "järvi" at the end :) | 21:29 |
| r0kk3rz | surely you could just have a map of finland as a dart board | 21:30 |
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| Tofe | "trees... trees... trees... ah ! lake !" | 21:30 |
| r0kk3rz | or be super nerdy and encode pi as ascii and append jarvi or lampi at the end | 21:30 |
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| attah | or just go with järvilampi/lampijärvi? | 21:34 |
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| r0kk3rz | wow there are 4 lakes called Saarijärvi | 21:38 |
| sakustar | only? | 21:39 |
| r0kk3rz | and 9 lakes called Pyhäjärvi | 21:40 |
| r0kk3rz | so we're set for another years worth of updates with just two names | 21:40 |
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| r0kk3rz | but yes, they only list about 300 on wikipedia, so there could be a lot more lakes with those names | 21:41 |
| Ponchale | hi | 21:43 |
| Ezko | r0kk3rz: there are dozens called vesijärvi too | 21:45 |
| Ezko | waterlake | 21:45 |
| urs | googling for äijipäivänjärvi today, I found http://www.jarviwiki.fi/wiki/Etusivu | 21:47 |
| Tofe | As opposed to, like, treelake, I guess... | 21:47 |
| urs | I guess we're good with release names for a while. | 21:47 |
| Tofe | If they want to stay alphabetically ordered, they will have problems in 2 updates | 21:48 |
| urs | http://www.jarviwiki.fi/wiki/J%C3%A4rvien_nimet <-- seems like the most common name is mustalampi ("Black pond") | 21:48 |
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| TemeV | Tofe: I guess they just start picking the second one for each letter | 22:09 |
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| Tofe | TemeV: yes, I hope they won't stop releasing update just because of that :p | 22:10 |
| TemeV | D: | 22:10 |
| Tofe | "no more letters, no more updates. Sorry!" | 22:11 |
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| TemeV | "Finnish mobile company bankrupted due to running out of alphabet" | 22:17 |
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| tadzik | that sounds like a lot of releases shipped, I'm okay with this :P | 22:23 |
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| ottulo_ | maybe they'll switch to a different country - they have HQ in China, so that should last for a few releases | 23:10 |
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