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| tadzik | wow, data counters are so wrong | 00:05 |
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| tadzik | reporting 50 MB of data eaten, network provider says I ate 1 MB during that time | 00:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | tadzik: don't assume it won't all be added in tomorrow in a lump | 01:03 |
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| jcbjoe | how do you load music from your computer to your jolla ? | 02:06 |
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| Oksana | There were Jolla Phone and Jolla Tablet released. Is Jolla going to release something else? Entirely different, or a second edition of phone, or a second edition of tablet? If yes, then where can community discuss the expectations and ideas for Jolla 2, so that Jolla developers would read it, too? | 02:25 |
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| dunp | http://ww2.saygus.com/ hmm sound too good? | 02:34 |
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| Oksana | dunp: Screen is believable. Camera: too good to believe. 3GB RAM and Fractal Antenna are suspicious. | 02:56 |
| Oksana | Waterproof? Giant battery? Qi charging? 3 Microphones? Fingerprint, and other sensors? Sounds like a heavy brick. They avoid super-weight only by having no hw keyboard. | 02:58 |
| Oksana | What does * mean? We are developing, not finished yet? | 02:59 |
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| Oksana | It is even possible that they pull it off. But the device might have weak reception, over-heating problems, and abysmal battery life. Because even with giant battery... this quantity of hardware, powerful processor, and large RAM will eat the battery like crazy. | 03:05 |
| Oksana | Notice that it all depends on how good their developers are. If they have prior experience with all the components, and their specific requirements, they will pull it off. | 03:05 |
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| Oksana | dunp: http://www.engadget.com/2015/01/07/saygus-v2-handson/ | 03:08 |
| Oksana | And http://www.cnet.com/products/saygus-v2/ | 03:13 |
| Oksana | Overall, the beast's main shortcoming is lack of hw keyboard. But hw keyboard is hardly compatible with waterproofing. | 03:14 |
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| dunp | "s waterproof to fulfil IPX7 standards, meaning it can be submerged in up to 3 feet (1m) of water for 30 minutes," | 03:14 |
| Oksana | That's why they don't have keyboard, exactly: they want water-proofness. | 03:15 |
| Oksana | And, I do not want to think about how many bits of hardware in it do not have open-source drivers. :-/ | 03:15 |
| dunp | dualboot | 03:15 |
| dunp | and support boot from sd-card sound good | 03:16 |
| Oksana | Dual-boot whatever, but will their sensors work without closed bits? Or will you have to re-used closed-source binary blobs in whatever OS you choose? | 03:16 |
| Oksana | They will provide binary blobs for the hardware, sure; but most of the low-level thingies will likely be closed-source. | 03:17 |
| Oksana | But yes, it is a very attractive beast. Especially if it is not locked to a particular network provider. And can be used world-wide, at any frequencies. | 03:18 |
| Oksana | The fact that they brought their raw prototypes to show at CES says that they are seriously looking for investors and pre-ordering buyers, to get the phone into mass-production. They are afraid to become out-of-date if they lose momentum. | 03:22 |
| Oksana | It's a solid brick. Not bullet-proof, but still, Kevlar fractal antenna at the back is a nice touch. | 03:23 |
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| Oksana | I would not buy it, with such a small amount of information, but I would still be interested in it. In getting to know more about it. About open-ness of drivers for their hardware. About boot-ability of Mer on their device. About battery life. About modem: is it isolated from main-board (like BlackPhone, Neo900 and Pyra), or is modem capable of gaining access to anything on the device. | 03:27 |
| Oksana | Why is it so quiet here? | 03:29 |
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| Oksana | There were Jolla Phone and Jolla Tablet released. Is Jolla going to release something else? Entirely different, or a second edition of phone, or a second edition of tablet? If yes, then where can community discuss the expectations and ideas for Jolla 2, so that Jolla developers would participate in the discussion, too? | 03:37 |
| special | the tablet is not released | 03:41 |
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| Oksana | Ok, the Tablet was not released yet, but it already has specifications written up. | 03:48 |
| Oksana | The tablet is not going to be The-Other-Half compatible, or is it? | 03:49 |
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| covox | Oksana: wouldn't it have to be phone-sized for that to work? :P | 05:35 |
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| Oksana | Or 2x-phone-sized. | 05:38 |
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| Waitee | Oksana: seriously, that would just look kinda dumb :D | 05:42 |
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| Oksana | Not necessarily. You would be able to use two TOHs at the same time. For example: attach two TOHs from two different people, and play chess, where one side is coloured by one TOH, and the other by other TOH. | 05:43 |
| Waitee | i mean not the near square size of the tablet itself but when your tablet has like two different bulky 3d-printed pieces attached to it | 05:43 |
| Waitee | yeah in theory, nice thing | 05:43 |
| Waitee | but when it comes to actually make it work, nope | 05:43 |
| Waitee | im very sceptic of the other half concept other than being a toy for hackers which is nice ofcourse | 05:44 |
| Oksana | Well, I enjoy it. For Jolla 2 Phone, if it comes out, I would like to have no screen, but instead both side TOH-compatible. So that user chooses whether the phone has screen-and-keyboard or two-screens. And what kind of screen... | 05:46 |
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| Waitee | you know the technical limitations of i2c do you? | 05:48 |
| Waitee | oh shit gotta get to bus | 05:49 |
| Waitee | -> | 05:49 |
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| Oksana | Good bye... | 05:53 |
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| * Oksana is looking up limitations of I2C | 05:57 | |
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| Oksana | address management, bus configuration, potential faults, speed... Ok, because of speed (100 kbit/s), it would not be well-suited for camera, for example? NFC helps a bit, with 424 kbit/s? | 06:00 |
| Waitee | where for example hdmi standard does 5gbps | 06:01 |
| Waitee | i2c is good for stuff like a led system or keyboard etc | 06:03 |
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| Oksana | HDMI: proprietary and 19-pins. I2C is only 2 pins. Though, yes, the difference in speed is not 10-fold - it is ... 50 000? | 06:05 |
| Waitee | yeah | 06:05 |
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| Waitee | also, the nfc radio would consume your battery if it were to use it | 06:07 |
| Waitee | remember the first few wees we had the bug on tohdaemon | 06:08 |
| Waitee | that it kept on checking the other half and you either had to rip the nfc sticker off or kill the process | 06:09 |
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| Stskeeps | good moring | 07:09 |
| Stskeeps | +n | 07:09 |
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| kimmoli | hmm... something has triggered rebuild of my mer-obs repos 6th Jan | 07:44 |
| kimmoli | and now toholed-daemon fails | 07:45 |
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| kimmoli | smells like pi | 07:45 |
| kimmoli | Just pasted a lot, see here http://pastebin.com/BPDEMBEQ | 07:45 |
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| mcfrisk | Hi! Where does jolla store wlan passwords? I have one password only in jolla and need to put it into another device too.. | 08:20 |
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| pp | dbus-monitor and you'll probably see it when it's used?-) | 08:21 |
| teve | mcfrisk: /var/lib/connman/ | 08:22 |
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| mcfrisk | teve: thanks! | 08:30 |
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| mcfrisk | it seems that jolla changed it's hostaname from jolla to dhcppc6 after ipv6 connections? how strange is that... | 08:48 |
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| mcfrisk | already reported it seems https://together.jolla.com/question/70145/dhcp-client-changes-hostname/ | 08:53 |
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| chem|st | mcfrisk: that is an open issue, jolla updates its hostname from dhcp anytime - I end up with a 20letter hostname at university | 08:54 |
| temmi_moo | that's super annoying | 08:54 |
| temmi_moo | my mac does the same | 08:54 |
| temmi_moo | it is technically overridable but another matter is if the ux has any provisions for that | 08:54 |
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| mcfrisk | I added the connman option from tjc and after reboot hostname is again jolla, luckily this is not persistent... | 08:56 |
| mcfrisk | man that music player is stupid, seem to take ages to load after boot, then sees all playlists but claims the playlists are empty until all tracks have been scanned on device.. | 08:58 |
| tadzik | daedalus is the best one I've found, give it a shot | 08:59 |
| tadzik | as for slow start after boot, even settings start slow after boot | 08:59 |
| mcfrisk | yes, and gallery | 08:59 |
| tadzik | I meant: everything | 08:59 |
| mcfrisk | feels like Windows and its fake fast boots | 08:59 |
| tadzik | it's not so much for fast boots but rather for lazy loading | 08:59 |
| tadzik | last update introduced tons of that, it must have had an impact on things | 09:00 |
| mcfrisk | that impact feels like lag | 09:00 |
| temmi_moo | personally, as the devices boot very rarely, i'd prefer slow booting and fast loading | 09:00 |
| tadzik | it's once per reboot, hardly the end of the world | 09:00 |
| mcfrisk | for my usage, I don't see any improvements in u10 compared to u8 | 09:00 |
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| tadzik | only the first start is slow | 09:00 |
| mcfrisk | only new regegressions and lag. | 09:00 |
| tadzik | in my experience it's a lot, lot better | 09:01 |
| tadzik | mostly for usability improvements | 09:01 |
| mcfrisk | browser became unusable with tabs | 09:01 |
| mcfrisk | that one kills my usage pretty much | 09:01 |
| mcfrisk | and killing apps in background, sigh, I might as well have android then | 09:02 |
| temmi_moo | does the navigator program now stay running in background during phone calls? | 09:02 |
| tadzik | *shrug*, I don't consider stock browser to be usable, tabs or not | 09:02 |
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| temmi_moo | i like the stock browser :) | 09:02 |
| temmi_moo | works a lot like n900 browser i grew into | 09:02 |
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| tadzik | what I liked about N900 browser was the fact that it was using multiple windows | 09:04 |
| temmi_moo | well yes | 09:04 |
| tadzik | so ctrl+backspace q or ctrl+backspace w switched them really quickly | 09:04 |
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| chem|st | mcfrisk: the musicplayer not showing music after boot should not be persistent, mine loads withing a second or two after I started the player, and it does that every time I start the player | 09:25 |
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| chem|st | tadzik: what I really liked about it was that I had a keyboard to do that! | 09:26 |
| tadzik | http://goo.gl/pN9tVl | 09:28 |
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| mcfrisk | chem|st: mine needs minutes to load music... | 09:33 |
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| chem|st | mcfrisk: that sounds wrong, and my music is not even on the internal storage | 10:00 |
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| tadzik | argh. WHat kind of bullshit is "networking not available, please restart device"? | 10:10 |
| tadzik | I can go to utilities and Restart Network Connections, why can't sailfish do it on its own | 10:10 |
| tadzik | ah, now it's "critical problem with app registry" | 10:11 |
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| mcfrisk | chem|st: well, 20 gigs of music on sdcard | 10:12 |
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| Yaniel | works fine for me | 10:15 |
| Yaniel | loads in jolla music player in a few secs | 10:16 |
| mcfrisk | my music player seemed to take minutes to find all music files right after boot, maybe something was eating cpu/memory/mmc/sdcard bandwidth in the background | 10:17 |
| Yaniel | were they in the tracker db yet? | 10:17 |
| Yaniel | indexing takes a while | 10:18 |
| Yaniel | but that only needs to be done once | 10:18 |
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| tadzik | after boot. Argh | 10:18 |
| tadzik | just how often do you reboot to make this so much of an issue | 10:19 |
| mcfrisk | the issue was that after all playlists where found, they were claimed to be empty until all songs were found which takes a bit longer. And I rebooted to fix the stupid hostname bug in connman config, reboot was needed to reset hostname to jolla. | 10:20 |
| mcfrisk | and I wanted to make sure that jolla connman does not set the hostname persistently | 10:21 |
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| chem|st | mcfrisk: you can update your hostname on the device but why do you need to have your hostname updated, yes it is annoying on the shell but yet the other question why do you reboot when you are a shell guy? | 11:19 |
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| jubo2 | Where do I turn the delivery notifications on for SMS ? | 12:39 |
| Nicd- | in the sms app settings | 12:39 |
| Nicd- | settings -> apps -> messaging | 12:39 |
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| jubo2 | Dänks Nicd-. Found it now | 12:40 |
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| phlixi | Hi | 13:43 |
| phlixi | I would like to export all information from "people" | 13:43 |
| phlixi | any suggestions? | 13:44 |
| phlixi | ultimativly i am looking for a CSV File with one row per contact and if needed (e. g. profile pictures) additional files referenced in seperate cols... | 13:46 |
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| tbr | I'd suspect it's a sqlite file somewhere, but that's just a guess | 13:47 |
| phlixi | I guess there is no button to do that :-) but this data is stored some where | 13:47 |
| tadzik | if export, then perhaps you can export vcards | 13:47 |
| tadzik | if extract, then there is probably an sqlite as tbr says | 13:47 |
| phlixi | i guess i would have to write some script to transform the vcards into the csv, thus i could do that directly from the sqlite file... | 13:48 |
| phlixi | actually tools like SQLite Database Browser already have that implemented :-) | 13:50 |
| tbr | first you need to find the DB | 13:52 |
| SK_work | phlixi: you can also use vcardconverter | 13:53 |
| SK_work | if you want vcardformat, that is rather easy to parse | 13:53 |
| Tofe | there are some guides on TJC, iirc | 13:54 |
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| phlixi | ok, looks promising... https://together.jolla.com/question/384/export-vcf-from-people/ | 13:56 |
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| phlixi | that was easy... http://www.heise.de/download/vcard-grid.html :-) | 14:13 |
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| chem|st | ;) | 15:52 |
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| Shinryuu | ;) | 15:53 |
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| mcfrisk | hmm, jolla adds on slashdot | 16:27 |
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| SK_work | mcfrisk: ads ? | 16:31 |
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| mcfrisk | heh, yes ads | 16:33 |
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| temmi_moo | so /. is still a thing? | 16:36 |
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| DrainBamaged | sledges - You mentioned my name | 17:54 |
| sledges | DrainBamaged: and you mentioned mine 8) | 17:56 |
| DrainBamaged | Yes, in response :D | 17:56 |
| sledges | good, so we're even now :D | 17:57 |
| DrainBamaged | Excellent | 17:58 |
| sledges | ok i'll stop muckin' around: how've you been? | 17:58 |
| sledges | :)) | 17:58 |
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| DrainBamaged | Good, thank you, super busy which is great | 17:58 |
| DrainBamaged | How about you my good man? | 17:58 |
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| sledges | just as great and for the same reason :)) | 17:59 |
| sledges | figured sebsebseb is also in brizzle | 17:59 |
| sledges | care to join us a week on a saturday at Linux User Group meetup in a pub? (early afternoon) | 18:00 |
| sledges | just few people (brizzle*bath lub) | 18:00 |
| DrainBamaged | Sounds good | 18:00 |
| sledges | (that sounded punny) | 18:00 |
| DrainBamaged | Where to? | 18:00 |
| DrainBamaged | Though, I will feel a fraud as a Windows user and tech support guy :P | 18:01 |
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| sledges | and im using systemd, so we're both as good :D | 18:02 |
| DrainBamaged | Fair do's | 18:02 |
| sledges | Knights Templar near Temple Meads | 18:02 |
| DrainBamaged | Aha, I can walk there, yaaay :D | 18:03 |
| sledges | and be merry:)) | 18:03 |
| DrainBamaged | Yes | 18:03 |
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| sledges | will pling you closer to the date | 18:07 |
| DrainBamaged | Thank you for plinging in advance | 18:08 |
| sledges | no ploblem | 18:08 |
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| WaRi0 | i cp an image from my pc | 19:41 |
| WaRi0 | and never show up | 19:41 |
| WaRi0 | i use utilites | 19:42 |
| WaRi0 | nothing :O | 19:42 |
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| Yaniel | where to | 19:47 |
| WaRi0 | ? | 19:47 |
| Yaniel | where do you copy the image | 19:47 |
| Yaniel | and how | 19:47 |
| WaRi0 | with others | 19:48 |
| WaRi0 | with c/p | 19:48 |
| Yaniel | wow usually the spacebar does not get stuck | 19:48 |
| WaRi0 | i cp on pictures/jolla/ | 19:48 |
| WaRi0 | never show up | 19:48 |
| Yaniel | um I don't understand | 19:48 |
| WaRi0 | what | 19:49 |
| Yaniel | have you mounted it with sshfs or mtp? | 19:49 |
| WaRi0 | no man | 19:49 |
| WaRi0 | i just copy an image | 19:49 |
| WaRi0 | from pc | 19:49 |
| WaRi0 | to phone | 19:49 |
| Yaniel | do you use windows? | 19:50 |
| Yaniel | and what do you mean with "i use utilites" | 19:51 |
| WaRi0 | yes i have windows | 19:52 |
| WaRi0 | and i use utilities | 19:52 |
| WaRi0 | for refresh media | 19:52 |
| WaRi0 | nothing happens | 19:52 |
| Yaniel | okay | 19:52 |
| Yaniel | refreshing takes a while | 19:52 |
| WaRi0 | ok so i w8 | 19:52 |
| Yaniel | should be less than 10min | 19:53 |
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| attah | Crazy idea: automatable interfaces, apps publish dbus methods and qml pages/classes to populate+dispatch the signals.. and these can be dispatched immediately or saved by the app... worth a TJC post, or is it dumb? | 20:19 |
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| r0kk3rz | attah: i dont get it | 20:34 |
| attah | so apps open up some method to dbus calls.. say "create calendar event" in the calendar | 20:35 |
| attah | it then also provides a page that has toggles and stuff to get user input for the related parameters | 20:35 |
| attah | these pages are published somehow centrally kind of like the per-app settings | 20:36 |
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| attah | plus they own the dispatch method probably | 20:36 |
| rigo | security? | 20:37 |
| attah | yes, that is an issue | 20:37 |
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| rigo | if you publish methods and provide no ACL or some security method or sandboxing... hmmm... | 20:38 |
| attah | mu initial thought is that it gets a random number from a gui component that somehow makes sure tht it at some point has had user interaction.. and then can only dispatch the call with those parameters,.. and only once | 20:38 |
| attah | probably not a complete solution | 20:39 |
| rigo | why don't you use some crypto | 20:39 |
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| rigo | e.g. in KDE they have a "trust" parameter. An unknow app/icon clicked will ask you questions like "do you know what you're doing?" Once you have that, you assign a key and the app can access certain things in your api | 20:41 |
| attah | sounds nice :) | 20:42 |
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| attah | so.. is this even remotely useful..? i have pretty poor immagination and can only come up with quite simple use-cases | 20:44 |
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| attah | Stskeeps: skunkworthy? | 20:46 |
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| r0kk3rz | sounds like the share API | 20:49 |
| r0kk3rz | but more generalised | 20:49 |
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| salyavin | Gpodder is now in Jolla store, nice. | 23:38 |
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