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| sebsebseb | hi | 09:13 |
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| sebsebseb | anyone about? | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | sortof | 09:13 |
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| * sebsebseb I think I am getting my Jolla phone today, so got some things I am wondering about :) | 09:14 | |
| Stskeeps | ask away | 09:14 |
| sebsebseb | ok so my current phone is on Orange/EE in UK | 09:14 |
| sebsebseb | on a contract that's about to run out | 09:14 |
| sebsebseb | ,but if I put the sim card into the Jolla phone for that network, it wil just work? | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | should work | 09:15 |
| sebsebseb | right ok good, but the other thing I am wondering about is | 09:15 |
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| sebsebseb | I am thinking of changing to giffgaff once that contract is up | 09:15 |
| sebsebseb | will the card they give me just wor with JOlla to? | 09:16 |
| sebsebseb | ifI do that | 09:16 |
| mornfall | sebsebseb: as long as it's a GSM network, I don't see why not? | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | if you're in UK it should pretty much work, as it's standard EU frequencies | 09:16 |
| sebsebseb | mornfall: what's a GSM network I don't really know that much about networks | 09:16 |
| Elleo | sebsebseb: everything in the UK is the same, you shouldn't have problems with any networks | 09:17 |
| sebsebseb | also if I buy an Ubuntu Phone in February the BQ one, I should be able to use the same network card no problem, in whatever phone I feel like using at the time? | 09:17 |
| Elleo | sebsebseb: I'm also in the UK, so can confirm that stuff just works normally | 09:17 |
| mornfall | sebsebseb: very likely, yes | 09:17 |
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| mornfall | sebsebseb: Europe is generally a safe bet wrt. network compatibility | 09:18 |
| Elleo | sebsebseb: yep, both should be microsims as far as I'm aware, so you can switch over easily | 09:18 |
| sebsebseb | yep one number, but two phones may want to use. well maybe my current one to, but probably not much if so | 09:18 |
| sebsebseb | Elleo: yeah do you know about switching from EE to Giffgaff then.sites a bit confusisng or for me | 09:18 |
| mornfall | just be aware that switching sims around gets boring quickly :) | 09:18 |
| sebsebseb | mornfall: yep probably | 09:19 |
| mornfall | “giffgaff runs on the O2 network” | 09:19 |
| sebsebseb | mornfall: yep | 09:19 |
| Elleo | sebsebseb: don't know any specifics for that, you'd probably be best off ringing giffgaff's customer services I expect they can talk you through it | 09:19 |
| mornfall | so yeah, nothing to worry about there | 09:19 |
| Elleo | sebsebseb: iirc the main thing is you have to get a PAC number from your original provider and give it the new one | 09:20 |
| Elleo | sebsebseb: so they can transfer your number over | 09:20 |
| Elleo | sebsebseb: but I haven't switched number between providers in ages, I just have a bunch of SIMs from different providers that I play with | 09:20 |
| mornfall | either that or just get a new number and enjoy the peace :D | 09:20 |
| * sebsebseb has one person that he wants to phone a lot and mainly, and she's on giffgaff so makessense, since it's meant to be free to phone giffgaff to giffgaff to | 09:21 | |
| sebsebseb | plus my Orange/EE deal is rubbish really | 09:21 |
| mornfall | operator virtualisation has done a lot of good I suppose :-) | 09:21 |
| sebsebseb | what do you mean? | 09:22 |
| mornfall | I am on a virtual operator myself | 09:22 |
| mornfall | sebsebseb: if you operate a GSM network in the EU you are required to allow 3rd-party “virtual” operators into your physical network | 09:22 |
| sebsebseb | what do you mean virtual operaters? | 09:22 |
| mornfall | sebsebseb: which purchase services in bulk and resell to end users, usually at much better rates than the physical operator | 09:22 |
| mornfall | giffgaff is virtual -- they do not run their own physical network | 09:23 |
| sebsebseb | oh? | 09:23 |
| mornfall | your phone talks to O2 base stations | 09:23 |
| mornfall | and O2 charges giffgaff for the service | 09:23 |
| sebsebseb | they rent the network out you mean? | 09:24 |
| mornfall | yes, basically | 09:24 |
| sebsebseb | yeah I would have gone with giffgaff before maybe two years ago | 09:24 |
| mornfall | (they rent out a share of it really, O2 still uses the network for themselves, and probably a bunch of other virtuals) | 09:24 |
| popey | sebsebseb: switching to giffgaff is very easy | 09:24 |
| sebsebseb | ,but ended up with a phone from phones4u and then that got that rubbish Orange deal, but it was ok for me at the time | 09:24 |
| sebsebseb | once starting using the phone for cals enough, you relise that 100 minutes is absoutle rubbish for a start | 09:25 |
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| sebsebseb | popey: ok how do i do that? | 09:25 |
| sebsebseb | popey: website is a little confusssing or for me | 09:26 |
| popey | sebsebseb: order a sim from giffgaff, put it in the phone ☻ | 09:26 |
| mornfall | as an example, in .cz, all 3 physical operators charge €0.35 or more a minute for international calls, while I pay on the order of €0.07 to my virtual provider | 09:26 |
| sebsebseb | or is ti just get a sim | 09:26 |
| sebsebseb | activate it | 09:26 |
| sebsebseb | put in phone | 09:26 |
| popey | yes | 09:26 |
| sebsebseb | and get the code off the current networkt | 09:26 |
| mornfall | (they probably route most of it over IP, but it works so who cares) | 09:26 |
| sebsebseb | to move the number over | 09:26 |
| popey | yes | 09:26 |
| sebsebseb | and JollaPhone Ubuntu Phone whatever phone, have the card in whatever I want to use at the time :) | 09:26 |
| popey | yes | 09:27 |
| sebsebseb | ok good :) | 09:27 |
| * sebsebseb thought these questions might have been slightly sily in a way to ask here, but anyway :d | 09:27 | |
| popey | i have 3 giffgaff sims that I move around between nexus 4, bq, iphone, firefox phone.. | 09:27 |
| mornfall | sebsebseb: no! the number is attached to the sim card, you need to do the transfer *before* getting the new sim | 09:27 |
| popey | mornfall: not true | 09:27 |
| popey | you get a sim from giffgaff, it has a number assigned to it, then you port your number from existing provider to the sim and the number changes | 09:28 |
| sebsebseb | popey: oh you got a Firefox Phone | 09:28 |
| popey | yes, the flame | 09:28 |
| sebsebseb | the flame? | 09:28 |
| sebsebseb | oh that's a joke | 09:28 |
| popey | a joke? | 09:28 |
| mornfall | popey: weird, we can't do that here... | 09:28 |
| sebsebseb | what do you mean by the flame? | 09:28 |
| popey | that is the phone model name | 09:28 |
| mornfall | it'd make sense though, as it is the procedure is pretty inconvenient | 09:28 |
| popey | Firefox Flame. | 09:28 |
| sebsebseb | popey: what about using the phone abroad when it's on giffgaff? | 09:29 |
| * Stskeeps has a alcatel one touch fire at home | 09:29 | |
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| popey | sebsebseb: i rarely do that | 09:29 |
| sebsebseb | yeah I woudn't much either | 09:29 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I would in Brussels for example | 09:29 |
| popey | i just switch off data when in foreign countries | 09:29 |
| mornfall | popey: I don't like the rounded corners :| on flame that is | 09:29 |
| popey | and use wifi | 09:29 |
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| sebsebseb | I mean for the occasioanl call and text to whilst aboard | 09:30 |
| popey | i like the way the flame feels in the hand | 09:30 |
| popey | the software I like less ☻ | 09:30 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: when do we get firefox addons on sailfish browser? ;-) | 09:30 |
| sebsebseb | popey: where did you get a FirefoxOS phone from? | 09:30 |
| sebsebseb | I thought those didn't really sell in UK | 09:30 |
| mornfall | (also, firefox sync) | 09:30 |
| Stskeeps | mornfall: ENOTMYJOB | 09:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:30 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: I thought everything was your job :D | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | browser is strictly excluded. after doing fennec in time for meego 1.0 or 1.1, i got a restraining order. | 09:31 |
| sebsebseb | popey: or onlin | 09:31 |
| sebsebseb | e | 09:31 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: damn | 09:31 |
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| popey | sebsebseb: online | 09:32 |
| sebsebseb | oh where online? | 09:32 |
| popey | sebsebseb: I got mine shipped from some online retailer | 09:32 |
| sebsebseb | oh ok | 09:32 |
| mornfall | hm, firefoxos is supposed to run on 256M of RAM? that's courageous | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | mornfall: 128mb, too | 09:32 |
| mornfall | whoa | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | the one touch fire wouldn't be a bad piece of hw if the idiots had actually shipped the correct kernel source code for the thing | 09:32 |
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| popey | sebsebseb: http://www.everbuying.com/product549652.html out of stock | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | of course, it sucks: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/09/weve-got-a-35-firefox-os-phone-what-do-you-want-to-know/ | 09:33 |
| sebsebseb | I think I was getting conussed or forgot what locked unlocked meant with phones, but I guess locked is just when it's put on a contract, and unlocked when it's not | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | ok, that wasn't one of the worst reviews | 09:34 |
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| sebsebseb | however that EE sim was with a phone that was on a contract, but should work with difernet phones to. I remembe asking them something like that in the past even | 09:34 |
| * sebsebseb whilst thinking if it would maybe wroth buying the Nexus 4, but never did | 09:34 | |
| Stskeeps | probably n5 is better today | 09:34 |
| sebsebseb | if they weren't sold out at the time I would of had a Nexus | 09:34 |
| Elleo | I saw expansys I think selling some nexus 4s for £100 recently | 09:35 |
| sebsebseb | ended up with a Samsung Galaxy S3 Mini instead, and it's been ok the last two years or so, but time for better phones now :) | 09:35 |
| popey | not bad. | 09:35 |
| popey | I can't bring myself to buy a samsung device | 09:35 |
| sebsebseb | not bad to which? and why coudn't you buy a Samsung? | 09:36 |
| popey | don't like the nonsense they add | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | i ended up buying a samsung microwave the other week.. | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:36 |
| Elleo | heh | 09:36 |
| sebsebseb | we got a Saumsung TV here :d | 09:36 |
| sebsebseb | popey: true most of them put their own stuff into the phone or tablets | 09:37 |
| sebsebseb | altough on this cheap Android JelyBean, yes I knew it wsas a nolder Anrdoid that I boughtback in Aldi in June | 09:37 |
| sebsebseb | a tablet cheap one | 09:37 |
| ortylp | popey: but the are the only ones to deliver tablets with wacom style stylus | 09:37 |
| sebsebseb | wasn't to bad what they wanted people to run on it as wel, plus they gave the option to have the extra apps intalled or not | 09:37 |
| popey | just had to wander into the kitchen to see what make of microwave I have ☻ | 09:39 |
| popey | Sanyo apparently | 09:39 |
| sebsebseb | Sanyo not heard of that one | 09:39 |
| sebsebseb | oh our microwave is Samsung to | 09:40 |
| sebsebseb | someone bought exactly the same one as the oen before that ended up with some issue, but from some wehre else with warranty | 09:40 |
| sebsebseb | yes issues with a samsung mirowave | 09:40 |
| sebsebseb | and our toaster :D is uhmm maybe that doens't even have a make on it heh | 09:41 |
| popey | Ooh! Don't get me started on toasters! | 09:41 |
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| * popey hugs his toaster tightly | 09:41 | |
| sebsebseb | popey: heh | 09:41 |
| popey | Had the same toaster for 17 years. | 09:42 |
| popey | love it ☻ | 09:42 |
| sebsebseb | we been through a few | 09:42 |
| sebsebseb | they don't last forever | 09:42 |
| sebsebseb | break eventaully | 09:42 |
| popey | they do | 09:42 |
| popey | if you buy the right onw | 09:42 |
| popey | http://www.dualit.com/products/classic-toasters | 09:42 |
| sebsebseb | altouh 17 years not bad | 09:42 |
| popey | http://www.dualit.com/products/4-slice-newgen check out that bad boy! | 09:43 |
| Elleo | you and your new fangled toasting gadgets | 09:43 |
| Elleo | I just use a grill | 09:43 |
| popey | pfffft | 09:43 |
| popey | grill requires me to take the toast out or it burns | 09:43 |
| popey | which requires me to concentrate in the morning | 09:43 |
| popey | not happening! | 09:43 |
| Elleo | heh | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | internet of toasters | 09:44 |
| sebsebseb | popey: you lazy bad boy in the morning :d | 09:44 |
| ortylp | popey: I have the cheapest MW from Panasonic and it works. It would be useful to find a comparison of energy efficiency. It is too close to 50% instead of bein g well above 90%... So whatever watt is written on it it sucks twice as much from the power outlet. | 09:44 |
| popey | The best thing about Dualit ones is they don't popup | 09:44 |
| popey | So your toast stays nice and toasty inside until you're ready | 09:44 |
| popey | which is useful if you're multi-tasking making eggs / coffee at the time | 09:44 |
| Elleo | I remember seeing an internet toaster that toasts weather symbols on to the bread | 09:44 |
| popey | ortylp: I'll plug my power meter into the toaster next time I use it | 09:45 |
| sebsebseb | popey: or bacon? no thanks not for me anymore, never liked it much in the first place anyway really | 09:45 |
| popey | or indeed bacon yes. | 09:45 |
| Elleo | perhaps I could make one that picks the highest priority bug assigned to me and toast its summary for me to eat over breakfast... | 09:45 |
| popey | haha! | 09:45 |
| ortylp | popey: I meant microwave oven | 09:45 |
| popey | oh | 09:45 |
| * sebsebseb went veggie, done it for over two years now | 09:45 | |
| * sebsebseb a chicken burger might tempt back though if anything | 09:45 | |
| popey | That's okay, I'll eat your meat for you. | 09:46 |
| popey | Uh, that sounds wrong. | 09:46 |
| Elleo | sebsebseb: stay strong, all the cool kids are veggies ;) | 09:46 |
| sebsebseb | Elleo: are you? | 09:46 |
| Elleo | sebsebseb: yeah | 09:46 |
| sebsebseb | oh nice :) | 09:46 |
| sebsebseb | Elleo: uhmm did you buy that leather jolla tablet case :D well wood and leahter | 09:46 |
| Elleo | sebsebseb: nope | 09:46 |
| sebsebseb | why not? | 09:46 |
| Elleo | sebsebseb: I tend to avoid leather stuff where possible | 09:47 |
| sebsebseb | yep that's what I am trying to do | 09:47 |
| sebsebseb | hmm I had this chat with someone before here, about that | 09:47 |
| sebsebseb | maybe it was you? | 09:47 |
| Elleo | probably not, I don't tend to bring up veggie stuff much :P | 09:47 |
| sebsebseb | soeone who was vegan actsaully | 09:47 |
| sebsebseb | not just veggie | 09:47 |
| sebsebseb | and had a good webpage explaining as to why as well | 09:48 |
| the_mgt | I prefer leather over any artificial fabric at any time, even as a vegetarian. Especially the Lastu stuff. For style and durability reasons. | 09:48 |
| sebsebseb | I would have bought | 09:48 |
| sebsebseb | the lastu case | 09:48 |
| sebsebseb | if | 09:48 |
| Elleo | sebsebseb: yeah, I have a lot of respect for vegans; can't bring myself to make that level of commitment though | 09:48 |
| sebsebseb | it wasn't made out of leather or something like that as wel | 09:49 |
| sebsebseb | Elleo: yeah I don't think I am going vegan, I like my milk shakes to much for a start | 09:49 |
| sebsebseb | plus they don't sell vegan pizza in the super markets here, it's normal cheese | 09:49 |
| sebsebseb | main thing is I didn't want to eat something anymore, that once was alive, I mean an animal | 09:50 |
| sebsebseb | we got to eat omething so yep fruit and vegs then etc | 09:50 |
| sebsebseb | can't just take the energy directly from the sun :d | 09:50 |
| Elleo | and people | 09:50 |
| Elleo | you can eat people, that's fine | 09:50 |
| sebsebseb | well popey said something about eating my meat earlier hmm, so maybe we should all eat him :D | 09:51 |
| popey | \o/ | 09:51 |
| Elleo | heh | 09:51 |
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| popey | there's enough to go round | 09:51 |
| popey | blimey this place is filling up with ubuntu people :D | 09:51 |
| popey | sort it out Stskeeps ☻ | 09:51 |
| sebsebseb | yeah Ubuntu PHone isn't cool enough :d | 09:51 |
| sebsebseb | people want Jolla to :d | 09:51 |
| cityoflights2 | ppl also want qi charger.... | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | popey: hmmm.. | 09:52 |
| mornfall | sebsebseb: +1 for veggie | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | popey: welcome all of you! | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:52 |
| sebsebseb | what's qi charger? | 09:52 |
| popey | :D | 09:52 |
| popey | sebsebseb: induction | 09:52 |
| cityoflights2 | wireless charger | 09:52 |
| * sebsebseb saw a Haribo advert earlier, and was thinking a bit like uh damn you Haribo | 09:52 | |
| sebsebseb | since it's got pig in it | 09:52 |
| sebsebseb | and little kids are eating it to, without knowing hmm etc | 09:52 |
| popey | You think they should say hello first? | 09:53 |
| sebsebseb | who? | 09:53 |
| popey | "Hello mister pig" "Hello *oink*" "NOM NOM NOM NOM" | 09:53 |
| the_mgt | haribo imho has two varieties without gelatine. fun fact: those are formed like pig heads | 09:53 |
| sebsebseb | oh | 09:53 |
| * Stskeeps thinks it should be standard part of any kindergarden education to see where food comes from.. | 09:53 | |
| mornfall | sebsebseb: (but you should consider vegan, I know the pizza conundrum, but plant milk is pretty good and available nowadays) | 09:54 |
| * sebsebseb could of had some nice Swedish sweets at Christmas, well something would of had before, read packaging, and yep gelatine, so nope | 09:54 | |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: that'd be considered cruel in most places | 09:54 |
| sebsebseb | a guess a bit like Haribo to some extent, but Swedish so | 09:54 |
| sebsebseb | I guess, above | 09:54 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: you know, rated r for violence or so | 09:54 |
| SK_work | Stskeeps: too bad that today you are never sure from where food comes from | 09:55 |
| SK_work | :/ | 09:55 |
| * sebsebseb if that Jolla phone doen't come today, not going to be that happy :d says on the tracking stuff that it got put on the vechical for delivery | 09:55 | |
| popey | mornfall: pizza conundorum? | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | mornfall: probably. in .dk it's perfectly normal to let kindergarden kids see a giraffe get an autopsy.. or take kids to see how a chicken gets prepared into food from it living.. | 09:55 |
| popey | oh, cheese. | 09:55 |
| sebsebseb | or th estimated delivery was correct, and now for a laugh they are going to keep it on the vechical untill next Monday the 12th before 6pm, ah, heh heh, joke :) | 09:56 |
| the_mgt | the vegan cheese is double crap, tastes like shyte and contains carbohydrates instead of protein | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | or how mobile phones, er, i mean, sausages are made | 09:56 |
| sebsebseb | quorn chicken burger | 09:57 |
| sebsebseb | really doesn't taste ike chicken burger | 09:57 |
| sebsebseb | from what I remember | 09:57 |
| mornfall | the_mgt: there's no “the” vegan cheese btw :) | 09:58 |
| sebsebseb | it's easier to not care about that | 09:58 |
| the_mgt | qorn rocks, they do not sell it in germany, becaue german vegetarians are ecology nazis. and a mass production item like qorn is not true enough | 09:58 |
| sebsebseb | and just eat meat | 09:58 |
| sebsebseb | ,but then again | 09:58 |
| sebsebseb | in a way | 09:58 |
| sebsebseb | as a Linux user in some ways I made my life less easy 10 yars ago anyway :d | 09:58 |
| the_mgt | mornfall: this grated stuff to throw on pizzas mostly is the same, no matter which vendor | 09:59 |
| * sebsebseb has a pzza that could eat, that's been in the fridge since yesterday | 09:59 | |
| * sebsebseb wants to do a talk this year about vegeteranism really, but doesn't want to make it into a big rant :d | 10:01 | |
| mornfall | the_mgt: fun thing is, there are non-vegan cheese substitutes made to cut the price... so chances are cheap frozen pizza has similar gunk on it, only much cheaper and with a ten percent cut of actual cheese | 10:01 |
| mornfall | people still buy it en masse | 10:01 |
| popey | cauliflour base pizza is deeee-licious | 10:01 |
| popey | if you like that kind of thing | 10:01 |
| sebsebseb | popey: caulififlour base sounds nice :) | 10:02 |
| sebsebseb | ,but that's not a normal pizza? | 10:02 |
| popey | -typos | 10:02 |
| mornfall | the_mgt: put “vegan” on it and they are all like “not real cheese ewwww” :-) | 10:02 |
| sebsebseb | ok so why did thos who said vegaiern or vegan just now here, go and do that? :d | 10:02 |
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| * sebsebseb thinks it's interesting since people do it for differet reasons | 10:03 | |
| mornfall | the_mgt: (similar deal with a lot of processed meat junk, mostly stretched with plant products into oblivion) | 10:03 |
| popey | http://www.recipegirl.com/2012/01/16/cauliflower-crust-hawaiian-pizza/ | 10:03 |
| sebsebseb | popey: ok thansk looksgood | 10:05 |
| sebsebseb | I'll try that some time as a base I guess :) | 10:05 |
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| SK_work | popey: looks yummy, I'm hungry now | 10:20 |
| popey | heh, sorry ☻ | 10:20 |
| sebsebseb | popey: IRC at work? :d | 10:21 |
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| Stskeeps | irc when part of work is most excellent | 10:22 |
| sebsebseb | heh | 10:22 |
| sebsebseb | come on Jolla phone :d | 10:23 |
| sebsebseb | oh one of those days | 10:23 |
| sebsebseb | waiting for a parcel that should be getting | 10:23 |
| sebsebseb | on that day | 10:23 |
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| popey | sebsebseb: irc is a core part of my work \o/ | 10:28 |
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| sebsebseb | popey: heh yeah, but not this channel I expect :D | 10:29 |
| popey | no reason why not | 10:29 |
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| sebsebseb | oh yeah I am stuck chaging my jolla via USB whilst in UK. unless I got a european plug to UK one adapater thing from se where hmm | 10:30 |
| sebsebseb | so European that won't even get a UK plug with it yeah | 10:31 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I knew that | 10:31 |
| sebsebseb | already | 10:31 |
| sebsebseb | for some reason UK is diffenret from like the rest of Europe when it comes to that | 10:31 |
| zutto | you probably have chargers with your native plug at home already | 10:31 |
| zutto | you could use them | 10:31 |
| zutto | uk is different in many ways | 10:31 |
| sebsebseb | zutto: how so? | 10:31 |
| sebsebseb | it's the European plug htey send not UK one | 10:32 |
| Nicd- | schuko for life | 10:32 |
| sebsebseb | so stuck via a USB cable unless | 10:32 |
| zutto | sebsebseb: yes, take some other gadgets charger and use it | 10:32 |
| sebsebseb | I got a UK to EU adapaer thing for when travelling, but not one the other way round | 10:32 |
| zutto | most chargers these days are 5v 0.5-2A out with USB plug | 10:32 |
| sebsebseb | zutto: oh I see what you mean | 10:32 |
| popey | my desk overflows with usb chargers | 10:33 |
| sebsebseb | yeah I got a few phone chargers that work with my Android phone etc | 10:33 |
| sebsebseb | also a tablet I bought etc | 10:33 |
| zutto | yeah | 10:33 |
| popey | 5 plugged in in this room and 3 not plugged in | 10:33 |
| sebsebseb | yeah you mean try one of those | 10:33 |
| zutto | use those | 10:33 |
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| sebsebseb | well I haven't got hte Jolla phone jut yet | 10:33 |
| sebsebseb | ,but it seems should be probably coming today :) | 10:33 |
| temmi_moo | musb chargers are more or less equal | 10:33 |
| temmi_moo | some are more equal | 10:33 |
| sebsebseb | well I could use the charger they send me in Brussels in the hotel :d | 10:34 |
| * popey suspects the Jolla tablet charger will need to be a bit more beefy | 10:34 | |
| sebsebseb | an actsaul european charger, without an adapater | 10:34 |
| * sebsebseb FOSDEM here I come again soon awesome :) | 10:34 | |
| sebsebseb | popey: FOSDEM is out of this world :d ever been? | 10:34 |
| zutto | popey: they battery is quite tiny in the tablet, so not really | 10:34 |
| zutto | my android phone has beefier battery than the tablet :P | 10:35 |
| popey | sebsebseb: yes, a few times | 10:35 |
| sebsebseb | when did you go? | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | popey: nothing beats the beefy charger for the hp touchpad.. | 10:35 |
| popey | not for a few years | 10:35 |
| sebsebseb | popey: well I plan to go every year now as of 2012 | 10:35 |
| the_mgt | mornfall: I agree, it is called Analogkäse here, I avoid it like the plague. gotta do some work now | 10:35 |
| popey | My Hudl2 keeps complaining that it doesn't have enough current to charge | 10:35 |
| sebsebseb | unles I reallycan't go some year, because of smoething | 10:35 |
| popey | It's also an Intel based tablet - 9 inch 1080p screen | 10:35 |
| * sebsebseb should have bought a t-shirt for 2012 really a well, but dind't for silly reasons, oh well | 10:35 | |
| zutto | i kinda hope jolla does decide to beef up the battery a bit | 10:36 |
| sebsebseb | altough a bit idiotic when it's the first itme going to | 10:36 |
| popey | hudl2 is a Z3735D | 10:36 |
| temmi_moo | analogkäse? analogue cheese? | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | popey: any luck in getting into uefi settings? | 10:36 |
| popey | not tried, dunno how. | 10:37 |
| * sebsebseb who finds Android well a bit boring really, other than me? :d | 10:37 | |
| sebsebseb | here | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | popey: volume up a couple of times when plugging in usb? | 10:37 |
| sledges | sebsebseb: works like charm: http://www.spgedwards.com/2012/07/howto-hack-uk-power-socket-to-accept.html :D (disclaimer: i'm still alive) | 10:37 |
| zutto | sledges: i wouldnt suggest trying :P | 10:38 |
| zutto | just switching to another plug is alot safer | 10:38 |
| zutto | and your insurance wont deny you credits if your house burns down | 10:38 |
| sledges | yes, i managed to escape that fire, hence still alive :P | 10:39 |
| temmi_moo | it's very possible, easy, safe and legal to make an extension cord with one plug and other sockets | 10:39 |
| popey | Stskeeps: got any reference docs about that? | 10:39 |
| sebsebseb | sledges: ok looks intereseting from link, but no I won't try that | 10:39 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I can use the one they send me in Brusssels in hotel room :d | 10:40 |
| zutto | temmi_moo: easy and legal, sure.. safe? not so | 10:40 |
| zutto | you're dealing with high currents afterall | 10:41 |
| sebsebseb | also I been thinking maybe like here, but the other way round, could buy some European to UK adapater, probably can onine even for that some where | 10:41 |
| sebsebseb | ,but in aiports here they sell them | 10:41 |
| sebsebseb | UK to EU ones | 10:41 |
| temmi_moo | why would it be unsafe to have uk plug and schuko socket on a cable? | 10:41 |
| popey | Stskeeps: adb devices shows ???????????? no permissions | 10:41 |
| popey | ⍨ | 10:41 |
| sledges | popey: adb kill-server, sudo adb ... | 10:41 |
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| sebsebseb | popey: if I die soon, well was nice knowing you, and going on planes again soon Brussels | 10:41 |
| sebsebseb | popey: kind of maks you think, when you hear news | 10:41 |
| sebsebseb | about planes that went down | 10:41 |
| popey | nah | 10:42 |
| sebsebseb | altough it seems to be mainly the long flights that go down | 10:42 |
| popey | planes are super safe | 10:42 |
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| temmi_moo | zutto: i'm an electrician by training and did the job until i managed to run into infosec phd nikander and set up a open source cooperative with him | 10:42 |
| sebsebseb | popey: yep they are quite safe | 10:42 |
| sebsebseb | ,but sometiems they go down | 10:42 |
| sebsebseb | rarely though | 10:42 |
| popey | s/sometimes/rarely/ | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | popey: ironically it seems like android intel tablets are 'locked down' but win8 ones aren't.. | 10:42 |
| popey | Stskeeps: yeah ☹ | 10:42 |
| zutto | temmi_moo: then you should know that doing electrical wiring with high currents without knowing how shit works is dangerous | 10:42 |
| zutto | even tho you cant mess up the wiring | 10:42 |
| sebsebseb | ,but if I do die like that, I guess I won't find out, if a girl I been in contact with, might actsaully become my gf or not, :d | 10:43 |
| zutto | i'm not trying to stop anyone from tinkering with their plugs here, but accidents happen | 10:43 |
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| temmi_moo | zutto: yes... making a new extension cord from new pieces is common layman stuff around here (finland) | 10:44 |
| zutto | i know | 10:44 |
| temmi_moo | just make sure you know where the greenish yellow wire goes and where it doesn't go | 10:44 |
| zutto | wiring inside walls them is very illegal tho :P | 10:44 |
| * sebsebseb won't mess with the plug | 10:44 | |
| popey | Stskeeps: it's a shame because these intel tablets would be so much fun for "normal" linux hacking | 10:44 |
| sebsebseb | there are more safe ways to charge it anyway | 10:44 |
| sebsebseb | as someone put earlier | 10:44 |
| temmi_moo | sure, i'm not promoting opening the wall sockets | 10:45 |
| popey | and so cheap! | 10:45 |
| temmi_moo | just making an extension cord | 10:45 |
| zutto | yep | 10:45 |
| sebsebseb | yay Fedex van here it is! | 10:45 |
| zutto | tukes doesnt really like you doing them either way | 10:45 |
| zutto | neither does the insurance companies in finland | 10:45 |
| zutto | tukes doesnt like anyone doing anything tho | 10:46 |
| mornfall | zutto: current is a function of voltage and resistance | 10:46 |
| Nicd- | zutto: well it's finland. we want to ban everything | 10:46 |
| sebsebseb | heh heh oh I wish for the van acsaully being here | 10:46 |
| sebsebseb | ,but a bit early yet I guess | 10:46 |
| zutto | Nicd-: we still have few years of freedom! | 10:47 |
| sebsebseb | popey: paid to chat on IRC nice :d | 10:47 |
| zutto | mornfall: yes, human body is great resistor | 10:47 |
| zutto | unless you have super dry skin | 10:47 |
| temmi_moo | then it is even greater | 10:47 |
| zutto | well, if you have very dry skin you will present higher resistance to the current | 10:47 |
| TemeV | my body resitance is around half a megaohm | 10:48 |
| TemeV | measured it once | 10:48 |
| TemeV | from hand to hand | 10:48 |
| sledges | zutto: sebsebseb: another way: http://imgur.com/f6KFwLW | 10:48 |
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| zutto | TemeV: you should have taken 2 measurements in the same day | 10:48 |
| mornfall | well, your resistance is very likely a function of voltage too | 10:48 |
| zutto | one early in the morning, one late at night | 10:48 |
| TemeV | zutto: :) | 10:48 |
| TemeV | I measured it because i was wondering why all the 2 megaohm resitors were less than specified | 10:49 |
| temmi_moo | hahahha | 10:49 |
| temmi_moo | classic | 10:49 |
| TemeV | then I realised I shouldn't touch both terminals while measuring them :) | 10:49 |
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| temmi_moo | when measuring dc resistance of a big coil with 200mA you should not either touch the terminals | 10:50 |
| sebsebseb | sledges: yes that's what I was on about. something to plug the UK adapater in to convert to EU. well other way round. smething to convert the European adapter in, to convert it into a UK one. for the UK plug yes | 10:50 |
| mornfall | sebsebseb: buy an adapter, it's a piece of plastic with wires in it | 10:51 |
| mornfall | chea | 10:51 |
| mornfall | +p | 10:51 |
| zutto | good rule of thumb when dealing with electricity is: keep your other hand in a pocket and have a good shoes :P | 10:51 |
| sebsebseb | mornfall: yeah, but fomr where | 10:51 |
| zutto | measuring things will be a bit difficult, but theres always alligator clips | 10:51 |
| mornfall | sebsebseb: nearest electrojunk store | 10:51 |
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| sebsebseb | mornfall: yeah, but they won't sell one like I am wantingI guess | 10:51 |
| mornfall | why not? | 10:51 |
| sebsebseb | European to UK plug | 10:52 |
| zutto | sebsebseb: sure they sell those | 10:52 |
| temmi_moo | zutto: can you guess what happens when measuring dc resistance with just 200mA? | 10:52 |
| zutto | well theres a good chance that you'll die | 10:52 |
| zutto | generally it skips the heart and you just get huge shock | 10:52 |
| temmi_moo | depends, but why? :) | 10:52 |
| temmi_moo | ah i should have mentioned that the measurement is with a normal battery operated tester | 10:53 |
| sebsebseb | why do we have to die :( | 10:53 |
| temmi_moo | lowish voltage, 200mA | 10:53 |
| mornfall | temmi_moo: because the changing magnetic field in the coil induces voltage? | 10:53 |
| sledges | fun goes on: http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/vilkus/ | 10:54 |
| temmi_moo | yes, when you cut the measurement circuit, the coil will induce voltage in order to keep the current going | 10:54 |
| sledges | this one too needs a UK adapter %) | 10:54 |
| temmi_moo | so depending on the coil inductance you might have a spark | 10:54 |
| temmi_moo | if you did this barehandedly, the current has a path cut already and the energy stored in that magnetic field will go right through your chest | 10:55 |
| mornfall | temmi_moo: but it doesn't have that much energy now, does it? probably shouldn't kill you | 10:55 |
| mornfall | temmi_moo: maybe buzz you a bit | 10:55 |
| temmi_moo | depends on the coil | 10:55 |
| mornfall | sure | 10:55 |
| japa-fi | I've read that it's the amperage that kills, not the voltage | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | popey: if you root it you can probably efibootmgr it into submission | 10:56 |
| zutto | japa-fi: yes | 10:56 |
| temmi_moo | japa-fi: they're heavily interdependent | 10:56 |
| mornfall | japa-fi: but amperage is a function of voltage and resistance | 10:56 |
| temmi_moo | in a way yesh-is | 10:56 |
| mornfall | japa-fi: to induce a large current in a resistive material, you need high voltage | 10:56 |
| mornfall | japa-fi: on the other hand, shorting a low voltage circuit will lead to high currents (and trip the breaker) | 10:57 |
| japa-fi | You can get hell of a lot of volts with static electricity (especially in winter), but there is not much amperage there | 10:57 |
| TemeV | dc is quite safe, it is ac that kills | 10:57 |
| mornfall | TemeV: welll | 10:57 |
| temmi_moo | TemeV: huh? | 10:57 |
| mornfall | TemeV: try touching a UPS battery bank | 10:57 |
| temmi_moo | what the hell? | 10:57 |
| mornfall | that'll kill you quite reliably | 10:57 |
| zutto | japa-fi: you can get huge voltages with just water and coils too | 10:57 |
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| temmi_moo | it's not always that ac is higher voltage and dc is ultimately safe | 10:58 |
| zutto | TemeV: dc is by no means "safe" | 10:58 |
| zutto | less people die to it than AC | 10:58 |
| TemeV | body is more capacitive than resitive, with ac you don't need much voltage to get lethal curent | 10:58 |
| Nicd- | I think it's quite enough to remember the Finnish wisdom (here translated to English): "Electricity is blue and hurts." | 10:58 |
| Nicd- | so don't mess with it | 10:58 |
| zutto | people have died to 9v batteries | 10:58 |
| sledges | mornfall: we're too lazy to buy an adapter from shop :) yet those are usually "universal" (accept all sorts) which leads to EU ones not sitting in tight | 10:58 |
| temmi_moo | it's just that _usually_ low voltage stuff is dc so people equate dc with safe | 10:59 |
| zutto | yes | 10:59 |
| temmi_moo | just remember that legally anything less than 1000 Volts is low voltage | 10:59 |
| mornfall | temmi_moo: lightnings are DC | 10:59 |
| zutto | is it? | 10:59 |
| temmi_moo | yup | 10:59 |
| mornfall | dunno if that's what I'd call low voltage | 10:59 |
| mornfall | probably no :P | 10:59 |
| temmi_moo | under 100VDC and 50VAC is extra low voltage | 10:59 |
| mornfall | (but if you casually work with gigavolts maybe lightning is low voltage to you :) | 11:00 |
| temmi_moo | :D | 11:00 |
| TemeV | but 230VDC just tickles a bit, 2230VAC is not healthy | 11:00 |
| temmi_moo | it's the legal spec that says low voltage or pienjännite | 11:00 |
| mornfall | TemeV: that also depends on how much energy the source can put out | 11:00 |
| temmi_moo | i would not touch 230VDC rails | 11:00 |
| TemeV | temmi_moo: me neither | 11:01 |
| TemeV | mornfall: but let's assume both can supply "enough" for voltage not to drop | 11:01 |
| mornfall | TemeV: yeah, works with big UPSes I guess | 11:01 |
| mornfall | and 230VDC can very likely kill you just fine, even if it takes a bit longer :-) | 11:02 |
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| TemeV | if you hold on to the wires the ues | 11:02 |
| jcbjoe | does jolla have a customer suport number and do they speak english ? | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | jcbjoe: no, care@jolla.com only | 11:03 |
| jcbjoe | ok | 11:03 |
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| TemeV | mornfall: but wit dc you feel it and can let go. With ac you propably cramp and keep squeecing the wires | 11:03 |
| kimmoli | 8mA kills wasnt it so? | 11:04 |
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| zutto | ~10mA | 11:08 |
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| jcbjoe | Stskeeps: can i pm you really quick | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | jcbjoe: okay | 11:12 |
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| kimmoli | Most "interesting" shocks i have got are 1) ~15kV from ESD simulator 2) 1kVAC HF from CCFL backlight inverter (burns a hole to finger) 3) non-earthed desktop-pc under table (on floor) and put your bare feets on top of it | 11:12 |
| temmi_moo | 3) happened a lot when 10BaseT was common | 11:12 |
| zutto | those backlight inverters are scary | 11:12 |
| zutto | i had one old ibm lappy that i got shock from when i was tinkering with it | 11:13 |
| mornfall | capacitance in CRTs is a good source too | 11:13 |
| mornfall | especially since it works even when disconnected from everything | 11:14 |
| temmi_moo | testing big electric motors for earth resistance leaves the coils floating at kilovolts | 11:14 |
| temmi_moo | that may have a nice capacitance to ground | 11:14 |
| zutto | but either way, i still think that if you know 0 about electricity, you shouldnt tinker with 230vAC | 11:14 |
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| mornfall | zutto: if you know 0 about anything, you shouldn't touch it | 11:14 |
| zutto | mornfall: pretty much | 11:14 |
| zutto | most things are lethal | 11:14 |
| zutto | like running :P | 11:14 |
| mornfall | or blenders | 11:15 |
| temmi_moo | breathing is lethal | 11:15 |
| zutto | yes | 11:15 |
| zutto | meat grinders, etc | 11:15 |
| mornfall | cars :) | 11:15 |
| zutto | temmi_moo: well, depends what you breathe | 11:15 |
| Nicd- | and DEFCON | 11:15 |
| mornfall | also with electricity, climbing on top of a train with high-voltage overhead trolleys is a great way to get killed | 11:16 |
| temmi_moo | nearly all the people that have ever died have breathed before dying | 11:16 |
| mornfall | you don't even have to touch anything | 11:16 |
| mornfall | temmi_moo: that depends on how you define people, i suppose ;) | 11:17 |
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| mornfall | every sperm is sacred! | 11:17 |
| zutto | :P | 11:17 |
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| zutto | tho if you do know 0 about electricity and you go deal with 230vAC, theres good chance that you'll get into darwin awards | 11:18 |
| zutto | s/deal with/tinker with/ | 11:18 |
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| ongelmadon | hullo. Is there a way of checking sailfish version via recovery tool's shell? | 12:25 |
| coderus | hm | 12:27 |
| coderus | mount mmcblk0p28 and check sailfish-release file | 12:27 |
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| ongelmadon | thank you. Trying to mount i get "can't find /mmcblk0p28 in /etc/fstab". I'm trying to find out the version to be able to reset the phone to factory settings the right way. | 12:40 |
| Yaniel | /dev/mmcblk0p28 | 12:42 |
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| faenil | another jolla reboot :( | 13:02 |
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| stephg | faenil: you seem very unlucky :( ever since u10 my jolla has been solid as a rock | 13:04 |
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| faenil | stephg: opposite here, 2 reboots in a year before u10 | 13:04 |
| faenil | 4-5 reboots only since u10 :( | 13:04 |
| stephg | I had several (but not *loads* before u10) | 13:05 |
| ShadowJK | i noticed recently after u10 btrfs had ran out of blocks | 13:05 |
| stephg | well thats not going to be a u10 specific thing | 13:05 |
| stephg | but yeah you have to keep an eye on it | 13:06 |
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| cristi | I ran out of btrfs metadata space during the update, and there was another user experiencing it at the same time | 13:16 |
| cristi | I suggested some kind of cron job that would rebalance btrfs but only while the phone is locked and charging for more than a few minutes | 13:17 |
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| sledges | faenil: with papertrick ? | 13:20 |
| faenil | sledges: it's tight already without paper, and it was never needed, I don't see why it started being needed from the very morning I installed u10 | 13:21 |
| faenil | too suspicious don't ya think :) | 13:21 |
| sledges | just eliminating variables.. | 13:22 |
| faenil | sure, but anyway, it's very tight by default, I wouldn't know where to stick it :) | 13:22 |
| sledges | I could get a reboot on my jolla when it is in a car holder - it has stop-ridges when turning it around (e.g. to landscape) and this shaking/vibration causes a reboot | 13:23 |
| sledges | never had other reboots, maybe one when phone dropped | 13:23 |
| sledges | so it's shake-related, how about yours? | 13:23 |
| sledges | (not asking to start throwing the phone around :D) | 13:23 |
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| faenil | it usually rebooted while idle on a table | 13:24 |
| kimmoli | i have had no reboots since lubricated (and maintaining btrfs balancing) but occassionally when i "drop" phone on the desk or something, it bleeps for low battery | 13:24 |
| faenil | or in my pocket | 13:24 |
| faenil | kimmoli: that's "acceptable", shake reboots are understandable | 13:25 |
| faenil | one hour ago, when it rebooted, I had just started using android whatsapp | 13:25 |
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| faenil | and suddenly I saw the dead-mode screen appearing | 13:26 |
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| faenil | (the one which appears when it's off and you plug charger in) | 13:26 |
| sledges | actdead? | 13:26 |
| sledges | but you didn't have charger in(?) | 13:26 |
| faenil | no I didn't | 13:26 |
| faenil | yes but it didn't switch to act-dead | 13:26 |
| faenil | it just instantaneously appeared | 13:27 |
| faenil | and then rebooted | 13:27 |
| sledges | fishy:) | 13:27 |
| faenil | this is the first one (after u10) that happens in front of my eyes | 13:28 |
| sledges | if reboots are so often, having an ssh open to journalctl -f could help eliminate hardware faults | 13:28 |
| faenil | I usually only see the PIN screen | 13:28 |
| faenil | sledges: journal is not deleted, I sent Stskeeps a few logs already | 13:29 |
| faenil | but they don't show much | 13:29 |
| sledges | because they are not flushed during sporadic reboot | 13:29 |
| faenil | boot log says power_on_by_RTC | 13:29 |
| sledges | having it constantly up could grip the last breaths | 13:29 |
| faenil | ah, I see what you mean | 13:29 |
| sledges | yep | 13:30 |
| faenil | though quite impossible to implement | 13:30 |
| sledges | hard to catch, but if you have a PC around you when you're at home, chances increase | 13:30 |
| faenil | yes, slightly :D | 13:33 |
| faenil | not even sure if it will ever reboot if it's plugged to usb | 13:33 |
| sledges | wlan;) | 13:33 |
| faenil | right -.- XD | 13:34 |
| sledges | hope it won't halt to a crawl when in suspend, but still worth-a-try jig | 13:35 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | 13:50 |
| sebsebseb | hi :) just recieved my jolla phone :), in a parcel with the label on it warning about battery that's a bit broken on one side to, maybe someones been in thre in fact, or tried to get in | 13:51 |
| sledges | welcome aboard! | 13:52 |
| Stskeeps | sebsebseb: take a photo? | 13:52 |
| Stskeeps | sebsebseb: where did you order from? | 13:52 |
| sebsebseb | Stskeeps: the Jolla shop | 13:52 |
| sebsebseb | just some of the tape isn't really on one of the sides properly that's all | 13:52 |
| Stskeeps | maybe it was reworked | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | we sometimes reflash things in stock | 13:53 |
| sebsebseb | Stskeeps: do not transport if parcel is broken warning warning about batery etc, like my last phone | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | anything that looks broken though, on device? | 13:53 |
| sebsebseb | ,but this parcel is a bit broken really on the box | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | contact care perhaps if you think it's suspicious | 13:53 |
| sebsebseb | not opended properly just yet, but willl soon | 13:53 |
| sebsebseb | probably just last some tape on the way | 13:53 |
| sebsebseb | or something | 13:53 |
| TMavica | hi | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | moo TMavica, had a good trip back? | 13:55 |
| TMavica | yes | 13:56 |
| sebsebseb | yeah looks like it's already been opended | 13:56 |
| kimmoli | TMavica: it is nice -10, no wind, no rain. | 13:57 |
| TMavica | here is +18, i feel hot now | 13:58 |
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| ongelmadon | Hello again and sorry to interrupt. I'm trying to reset my phone using recovery tool. I copied the recovery-menu to SD and with recovery tool shell to Jolla. After trying to Reset I get the following: | 14:01 |
| ongelmadon | [CLEANUP] Starting cleanup! | 14:01 |
| ongelmadon | [CLEANUP] Umounting top volume... | 14:01 |
| ongelmadon | [CLEANUP] Deleting /mnt | 14:01 |
| ongelmadon | rmdir: '/mnt': Directory not empty | 14:01 |
| ongelmadon | Connection closed by foreign host. | 14:01 |
| ongelmadon | Any ideas? | 14:01 |
| SK_work | Tizen finally, with a nice WebOS TV look http://www.cnet.com/news/samsungs-troubled-tizen-software-ready-for-primetime-on-tvs-at-ces-2015/ | 14:04 |
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| sobukus | SK_work: "Tizen has flopped in phones" ... how can it flop if Samsung never tried? | 14:06 |
| SK_work | sobukus: maybe it never met the quality or deadline to get released | 14:07 |
| SK_work | there were already several phones that were planned | 14:07 |
| sobukus | Well, did the Nokia N9 "flop"? ;-) | 14:07 |
| sobukus | But anyhow, this is the Jolla channel, and those phones exist. | 14:08 |
| SK_work | sobukus: it was released | 14:08 |
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| sobukus | SK_work: I meant that it wasn't only released, but folks really liked it and wanted to buy, but Nokia wouldn't net them. | 14:08 |
| SK_work | sobukus: it is for discussion, Tizen has a quite epic background, and have some common roots with SailfishOS :) | 14:08 |
| SK_work | sobukus: indeed | 14:08 |
| SK_work | but I will doubt if samsung releases a similar phone, that would be half baked and without personnality | 14:09 |
| SK_work | the N9 didn't had everything, but it had some nice apps, and a personnality (both HW and SW) | 14:09 |
| sobukus | Well, if it's so ... I probably still would use the E90 if they hadn't already messed up the software on that one (sorry if insulting someone who was on the team). | 14:09 |
| sobukus | I had the E90 till end of 2012. | 14:10 |
| SK_work | sobukus: I got an E71 | 14:11 |
| SK_work | it was great too | 14:11 |
| SK_work | sadly, never met the E90 | 14:11 |
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| sobukus | Well, I hope for TOHKBDv2. | 14:12 |
| SK_work | same | 14:12 |
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| Almindor | is there a slowdown between seeing new version of an app in the store and actually being able to install it (harbour)? | 14:19 |
| Almindor | I see my app submitted with right version but if I download it I still get the old one | 14:19 |
| Almindor | or maybe my phone caches somehow? | 14:19 |
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| sledges | ongelmadon: inspect whatever's under your /mnt (mounting rootfs via 4) Shell option) | 14:30 |
| sledges | (i assume you're soft-bricked? | 14:30 |
| sledges | (and you are following https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202208763) | 14:33 |
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| sebsebseb | hm | 14:35 |
| sebsebseb | m | 14:35 |
| sebsebseb | that's differnet | 14:35 |
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| sebsebseb | having a rubber thing | 14:35 |
| sebsebseb | for wher sim card is meant to go | 14:35 |
| sebsebseb | or according to instructions anyway | 14:35 |
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| sebsebseb | oh that's annoying | 14:41 |
| sebsebseb | looks ike I won't be able to use this phone as a phone just yet | 14:41 |
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| mornfall | sebsebseb: what's the problem? you need a microSIM that's all | 14:55 |
| sebsebseb | mornfall: yes I think htat's the problem | 14:55 |
| sebsebseb | so opended the case up | 14:55 |
| sebsebseb | moved the rubber thing | 14:55 |
| sebsebseb | tried with my current one for the network, but that doens't seem to fit, since I guess it's not a microsim | 14:56 |
| mornfall | right | 14:56 |
| sebsebseb | also seems kind of big when I look at it like that | 14:56 |
| Elleo | sebsebseb: if you have a local phone shop you can pop in and they'll cut it down to microsim size for you | 14:57 |
| sebsebseb | with a microsim should just fit straight in? | 14:57 |
| mornfall | you can have it cut to microsim format at the nearest orange shop, presumably | 14:57 |
| mornfall | but it'll be trouble to get it back into your current phone | 14:57 |
| sebsebseb | well my old phone neeeds the one it's got | 14:57 |
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| mornfall | although I'm running an ancient nokia phone with a framed microsim just fine | 14:57 |
| sebsebseb | if I don't use it as a phone yet, I guess it wil work ok as a wireless device? | 14:57 |
| mornfall | wlan will work yes | 14:57 |
| Elleo | you can get little plastic adapters for microsim -> sim | 14:57 |
| mornfall | Elleo: I just used the remainder of normal+micro sim cutout :) | 14:58 |
| sebsebseb | I think it'ss one or two months on my current contract | 14:58 |
| sebsebseb | left on | 14:58 |
| Elleo | mornfall: smart :) | 14:58 |
| sebsebseb | well started using that phone in Janurary 2013 | 14:58 |
| sebsebseb | so | 14:58 |
| sebsebseb | why a microsim, is that the new way or something? | 14:59 |
| mornfall | microsim is already out of fashion | 14:59 |
| mornfall | new phones take a nanosim :) | 14:59 |
| sebsebseb | well that's normal sm in my old one I guess | 14:59 |
| mornfall | but yeah, classic sim (and the requisite slot) are huge by current smartphone standards | 15:00 |
| sebsebseb | what's a requiste slot? | 15:00 |
| Yaniel | the sim slot | 15:00 |
| sebsebseb | so most phones now are microsim then? | 15:00 |
| mornfall | micro or nano, yes... for smartphones | 15:01 |
| sebsebseb | my other one is lik two years old so | 15:01 |
| sebsebseb | that I was suaing | 15:01 |
| mornfall | feature phones probably still use classic sims | 15:01 |
| sebsebseb | feature phones, non smartphones? | 15:01 |
| sebsebseb | is that what you mean | 15:01 |
| Yaniel | yes | 15:01 |
| mornfall | you should really use a dictionary :P or google | 15:01 |
| sebsebseb | hmm so a phone I can't use as a phone just yet, but otherwise can for stuff | 15:02 |
| Yaniel | featurephone is the marketing term for non-smart aka dumbphones | 15:02 |
| ln- | are there any contemporary phones that use the full-size sim? i.e. credit card size | 15:02 |
| mornfall | ln-: not bloody likely | 15:03 |
| sebsebseb | mornfall: no I am just not realy a phone geek as such, so so some of the teerms are still just jargon really | 15:03 |
| Yaniel | sebsebseb: yeah without a sim the jolla is basically a linux-based touchscreen computer | 15:03 |
| sebsebseb | ok so with a microsim, should go straight into the hole or whatever, that I assume there is | 15:04 |
| sebsebseb | didn't look like muh of one, but I guess there's somethin under the rubber bbit | 15:04 |
| sebsebseb | Yaniel: ok that's why I got as well to do stuff with the OS, I will be getting a tablet in May to | 15:04 |
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| sebsebseb | then it's like, oh you can buy the phone at a discount want one? I thought why not | 15:04 |
| mornfall | sebsebseb: yes, well, requisite is a common English word and featurephone has been in wiktionary for at least a year ... | 15:04 |
| * sebsebseb rememers chatting to two women at the Jolla stand at FOSDEM 2013 at the end thinking not that much would happen with Jolla really, but I guess I was wrong then :d | 15:05 | |
| mornfall | hardly jargon :P | 15:05 |
| sebsebseb | maybe it's just me or I broke the rubber bit already :d or it realy is just a really lose thing | 15:06 |
| * sebsebseb didn't have a rubber bit like that on current phone | 15:06 | |
| sebsebseb | or other ons | 15:06 |
| sebsebseb | ones | 15:06 |
| mornfall | it's part of the slot | 15:06 |
| mornfall | holds the sim in place | 15:07 |
| mornfall | don't tear it off | 15:07 |
| sebsebseb | yeah meant to, but now it eems just really lose after I did stuff with it | 15:07 |
| mornfall | it's supposed to be loose | 15:07 |
| sebsebseb | oh ok :) | 15:07 |
| sebsebseb | should be fine then | 15:07 |
| sebsebseb | I gues my current phone is going to be used for a bit longer then hmm or as a phone anyway | 15:07 |
| mornfall | just read instructions before touching stuff... | 15:07 |
| sebsebseb | mornfall: yeah I did | 15:08 |
| mornfall | read them twice then :) | 15:08 |
| sebsebseb | ,but to be honest, the instructoins aren't that good at all that came with it | 15:08 |
| sebsebseb | and this is proably an idiotc question in a way, but really te other half is nothing that special? it's the back of the device, the white case, that can bbe in toher colours to ? | 15:08 |
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| Nicd- | sebsebseb: the other half also has nfc, power and data (i2c) connections | 15:09 |
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| sebsebseb | ah yeah I did read somethign some where, something about power as well? | 15:10 |
| sebsebseb | or whatever it was | 15:10 |
| Nicd- | it has power in/out | 15:10 |
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| Nicd- | some stuff that has been done with the toh interface: http://funkyotherhalf.com/?page_id=9 | 15:11 |
| sebsebseb | is Jolla a 4GB compatible phone as well or? | 15:12 |
| sebsebseb | 4G | 15:12 |
| sebsebseb | seems finally starting to get those networks in UK | 15:12 |
| Nicd- | yes, it has 4G | 15:13 |
| sebsebseb | I think with gigf can choose to get a 3G or 4G microsim atauly hmm | 15:13 |
| SQUelcher | sebsebseb: yes, it is working on most of europe's 4g frequencies | 15:13 |
| Nicd- | did you not read the phone specs before ordering? :) | 15:13 |
| sebsebseb | Nicd-: I think I did a bit | 15:14 |
| sebsebseb | ,but not much | 15:14 |
| sebsebseb | was mainly getting it for the OS anyway :) | 15:14 |
| sebsebseb | plus saw a video seem's some stuff is difenret, not really menu driven I mean | 15:15 |
| sebsebseb | if I understood that correctly | 15:15 |
| sebsebseb | about hand gestures or something intead | 15:15 |
| SK_work | sebsebseb: yes, it is more about swipe a bit everywhere | 15:15 |
| SQUelcher | my current sim isn't allowed on 4g, though :( | 15:15 |
| sebsebseb | SQUelcher: oh how come? | 15:15 |
| sebsebseb | my old non microsim one is 3G, but I gues if going to get a sim, should get one that's 4G as well reayl | 15:16 |
| SQUelcher | sebsebseb: my provider has restricted 4g usage to certain plans | 15:16 |
| sebsebseb | yes I think most do that | 15:16 |
| sebsebseb | ,but main thin with 4G is for like faster Internet isn't it? | 15:16 |
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| SQUelcher | on 800mhz, there might be a better coverage than on 3G | 15:18 |
| temmi_moo | 4g is also using less energy for ip delivery since you don't need to set up a connection every time you do packet traffic | 15:18 |
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| xfade_ | We have deployed a workaround for the 'Can't download Maps' issue, please vote this post up on together so the answer gets some visibility ;) https://together.jolla.com/question/73212/bug-trouble-installing-maps-since-update-11127/?answer=75183#post-id-75183 | 15:35 |
| Nicd- | I've set it as accepted | 15:36 |
| xfade_ | Even better ;) | 15:37 |
| Nicd- | xfade_: what's the current version of maps? | 15:37 |
| Nicd- | 1.0.25.1? | 15:37 |
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| xfade_ | Nicd-: depends on your OS version. | 15:41 |
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| Nicd- | it's the latest | 15:41 |
| mornfall | the currentest version of maps! | 15:41 |
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| xfade_ | Yeah, then it is 1.0.25.1 | 15:42 |
| Nicd- | it says update available on the maps app page but it didn't show it in my apps | 15:42 |
| Nicd- | and didn't update when doing "update all" | 15:42 |
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| xfade_ | Nicd-: yeah, that is because of the bug we found ;) | 15:42 |
| Nicd- | updated correctly when I went to the app's page and pulled down to update so all's well | 15:43 |
| xfade_ | If you go to the maps page and update from there, it should work. | 15:43 |
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| xfade_ | Due to a bug, the app wasn't marked as installed on the server. | 15:43 |
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| xfade_ | Now it should show in your my apps again too? | 15:44 |
| Nicd- | it did show up there previously too | 15:44 |
| Nicd- | just didn't show as having updates available | 15:44 |
| ln- | what's the status of this one: https://together.jolla.com/question/41004/bug-some-application-names-not-shown-in-store/ | 15:45 |
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| xfade_ | ln-: That should be fixed for new submits to harbour. The problem there was that the localized 'title' for an app wasn't submitted when the app was imported to store. | 15:47 |
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| sebsebseb | Jolla doesn't really look that great hardwarewise :d, but I gues once it's on running the OS it will be better :) | 15:48 |
| * sebsebseb feels the difference in pocket since it's bigger than other phone | 15:49 | |
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| ln- | xfade_: i think at least some packages submitted after the fix were affected by the bug again... but i haven't checked recently whether that's still the case. | 15:51 |
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| xfade_ | ln-: should not with the update which was pushed to production last month. | 15:51 |
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| Yaniel | sebsebseb: yeah it took some time to get used to | 15:51 |
| xfade_ | ln-: But it might be that some of the entries still need to be fixed. | 15:52 |
| sebsebseb | Yaniel: honestly though a a phone that's turned off, it just looks like a rectangel really. black screen, white under neath, looks rubbish really | 15:52 |
| * sebsebseb doens't normally stick stickers on tech, but will probaby actauly put the two jolla stickers that came on this one | 15:52 | |
| sebsebseb | on the white | 15:52 |
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| Nicd- | it looks nice with "the first one" cover ;) | 15:53 |
| Yaniel | mine is orange/vermilion coloured | 15:53 |
| sebsebseb | what's the first one? | 15:53 |
| sebsebseb | and yes I might get a diffenet cover for it | 15:53 |
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| sebsebseb | white doent' seem tat good | 15:53 |
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| Nicd- | http://mobiili.fi/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/jolla_first_one_dna-e1385583152995.jpg | 15:53 |
| Waitee | first one is premium shibe | 15:53 |
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| sebsebseb | yep white doesn't really look good as a cover | 15:55 |
| sebsebseb | hmm maybbe | 15:55 |
| sebsebseb | can buycovers at FOSDEM even | 15:56 |
| sebsebseb | f Jolla has a stand again | 15:56 |
| sebsebseb | if | 15:56 |
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| xfade_ | ln-: Answered your together post | 16:12 |
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| ln- | thanks | 16:13 |
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| japa-fi | How can I remove fields from persons contact details? | 17:16 |
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| japa-fi | When editing contact card, person has 2 sets of 2 phonenumbers. One with the phone kind of icon and another with globe kind of icon. Each lists primary phone and work phone. I'd like to get rid of work phone, but can't edit the glome icon data at all | 17:18 |
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| kimmoli | kontio: xfade_: when shall we continue checking my otherhalf app situtation in store? | 17:32 |
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| sebsebseb | The OS seems great so far, altog h still on setting up stae here, since photoin stuff to | 18:40 |
| Sail0r | what? | 18:41 |
| sebsebseb | SalifishOS | 18:42 |
| Sail0r | I don't understand the whole sentence sorry ^^ | 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | Sail0r: I am configuing my new Jolla phone now | 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | even set up is goood : | 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | c | 18:43 |
| Sail0r | aaah | 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | :d | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | sebsebseb: make sure to update your device first before anything else, then re-run tutorial | 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | seen some things that impress me | 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | pick a colour scheme yeah ok | 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | ,but how the time is set i good to | 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | Stskeeps: yeah just going to make an account so get it on wireless begore that | 18:44 |
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| sebsebseb | that's nice to get a charged batteyr with to | 18:49 |
| sebsebseb | :) | 18:49 |
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| japa-fi | When editing contact card, person has 2 sets of 2 phonenumbers. One with the phone kind of icon and another with globe kind of icon. Each lists primary phone and work phone. I'd like to get rid of work phone, but can't edit the globe icon data at all | 19:04 |
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| Yaniel | that one is probably pulled from facebook or so | 19:15 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | unlink them | 19:19 |
| Morpog_PC__ | edit | 19:19 |
| Morpog_PC__ | and rejoin | 19:19 |
| japa-fi | Morpog_PC__, was your comment to me? | 19:20 |
| Morpog_PC__ | yop | 19:20 |
| japa-fi | How can I unlink, in the contact details there is only option for "link" | 19:21 |
| Morpog_PC__ | it's probably not called unlink | 19:21 |
| japa-fi | The data has been transferred once in the initial sync with N900 and then later again imported from .vcf (as the N900 sync didn't include avatar) | 19:22 |
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| japa-fi | Perhaps I'll just delete and send the .vcf again to see what happens. | 19:22 |
| Morpog_PC__ | in german translation it's calles freigeben, which would be: release in english | 19:22 |
| Morpog_PC__ | i got there 4 options in pulley menu: delete, join, release, edit | 19:23 |
| japa-fi | "delete, link, share, edit" | 19:23 |
| Morpog_PC__ | wtf it's share? | 19:23 |
| Morpog_PC__ | oh wait a second, it's not freigen, lol | 19:24 |
| Morpog_PC__ | sorry, my fault | 19:24 |
| Morpog_PC__ | enter join menu | 19:24 |
| Morpog_PC__ | there is a new pulley :D | 19:24 |
| Morpog_PC__ | and you can see all joins | 19:24 |
| Morpog_PC__ | there you can touch en entry and it will be unlinked | 19:24 |
| Morpog_PC__ | had it wrong on my head, sorry again :D | 19:25 |
| japa-fi | I'm testing deletion and then importing from .vcf | 19:26 |
| Morpog_PC__ | it will be rejoined i guess | 19:26 |
| japa-fi | Just wondering why it appears to take ages to import simple contact | 19:26 |
| Morpog_PC__ | never imported via vcf | 19:27 |
| Morpog_PC__ | transfered via bluetooth from my Nokia N9 | 19:27 |
| Morpog_PC__ | later added google contacts sync | 19:27 |
| Morpog_PC__ | which came in an update of sailfishos | 19:27 |
| Morpog_PC__ | The ones on N9 were already synced via google | 19:28 |
| * Morpog_PC__ looks at his N9 on his desk | 19:28 | |
| Morpog_PC__ | such a great phone | 19:28 |
| japa-fi | This imported one didn't have any icon with the related phonenumber field. | 19:29 |
| Morpog_PC__ | lol | 19:29 |
| japa-fi | I'll try again with oters, remove + import again | 19:29 |
| japa-fi | I still love my N900.. | 19:29 |
| Morpog_PC__ | try the unlinking in join menu | 19:29 |
| japa-fi | What a great phone, except the scratching (small) display and underpowered CPU | 19:29 |
| Morpog_PC__ | I went for N8 back then instead of N900 | 19:30 |
| Morpog_PC__ | beside the camera and capacitive screen that was a bad idea :D | 19:30 |
| japa-fi | Oh yeah, it's linked to "bluetooth" | 19:30 |
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| japa-fi | Btw. The link screen for John Smith now suggest linking to Jane Smith and Jack Smith. | 19:31 |
| japa-fi | What will that accomplish? | 19:31 |
| japa-fi | they are members of same family in real life.. | 19:32 |
| sebsebseb | Stskeeps: the tutoral | 19:32 |
| sebsebseb | uhmm | 19:32 |
| sebsebseb | well told it download the 10 apps, then it looked like would get 1 of 4 images, but only saw one and onto phone oh well | 19:33 |
| sebsebseb | its ok got it working tutoral again or whatever | 19:35 |
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| mornfall | japa-fi: no, linking is supposed to join multiple identities of the same person | 20:04 |
| mornfall | japa-fi: the suggestions are only because it tries to be helpful and find similar names to choose from | 20:05 |
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| iluminator105 | can you install sailfish on moto g 2nd gen | 20:14 |
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| sebsebseb | yep jolla's good | 20:19 |
| temmi_moo | what's this btrfs that doesn't fix itself? | 20:19 |
| sebsebseb | temmi_moo: what does JOlla use btrfs to ? | 20:19 |
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| temmi_moo | dunno, i keep reading on this channel that people are having btrfs trouble | 20:20 |
| iluminator105 | can you install sailfish on moto g 2nd gen | 20:24 |
| Ezko | wasn't there a channel for ports | 20:25 |
| Ezko | can't remember the name | 20:25 |
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| Yaniel | #sailfishos-porters | 20:28 |
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| sebsebseb | how do know if it actually upaing or now | 21:18 |
| sebsebseb | not | 21:18 |
| sebsebseb | supsends and then | 21:18 |
| sebsebseb | if I go back on | 21:18 |
| sebsebseb | still doing it, or it isnt depends uh | 21:18 |
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| Olpe | Hey is there anything like a "silica numberpicker"? I mean is the only way to use number keypad for number input from user. Anything like those number pickers in ios? | 21:44 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | 22:15 |
| Waitee | hi | 22:15 |
| sebsebseb | I thought could get get Android apps straight away | 22:15 |
| sebsebseb | on Jolla | 22:16 |
| sebsebseb | ,but looking at the store, doesn't seem so? | 22:16 |
| Waitee | you can | 22:16 |
| Yaniel | you have to install "android support" from the app store first | 22:16 |
| sebsebseb | I instaled some Android compatabity app or whatever at the beginnign to | 22:16 |
| sebsebseb | yep I installed that | 22:16 |
| sebsebseb | how to open it then? | 22:16 |
| Waitee | then just download apk for aptoide | 22:16 |
| Yaniel | or whatever apk really | 22:16 |
| Waitee | install it and download apps through there | 22:16 |
| sebsebseb | I saw that some srot of packae manager recommended in the store thugh for Android apps? | 22:16 |
| Yaniel | recomended but not required | 22:17 |
| sebsebseb | ok, but I thought would get Androdi apps from a package manager. or is that what aptoide is? | 22:17 |
| Yaniel | yes | 22:17 |
| sebsebseb | otherwiise just got to installl them oneself via a browser or whatever | 22:17 |
| sebsebseb | ? | 22:17 |
| Waitee | oh yea you get aptoide from jolla store as well | 22:17 |
| Waitee | forgot about that | 22:17 |
| Yaniel | some apps in jollas app store are android apps too | 22:17 |
| sebsebseb | oh | 22:17 |
| Waitee | you can tell by the little android robot logo | 22:18 |
| Waitee | if you cant find what you want in the aptoide store, there is ways for installing google play | 22:19 |
| Waitee | but it's somewhat tricky i've heard | 22:19 |
| sebsebseb | so what's a Andriod app in the jolla store as an example | 22:20 |
| sebsebseb | to see the logo? | 22:20 |
| Waitee | pivo at least | 22:20 |
| Waitee | and the aptoide store | 22:20 |
| Waitee | http://www.playandroid.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/android-bot.jpg | 22:20 |
| Waitee | the logo looks like that | 22:21 |
| sebsebseb | I searchedfor pivo didn't come up | 22:21 |
| Yaniel | the search is terrible | 22:21 |
| Waitee | did you find aptoide? | 22:21 |
| Waitee | sailfish native apps are recognised with a sailfish logo iirc | 22:22 |
| Waitee | https://sailfishos.org/Sailfish_logo_black.pdf | 22:22 |
| Waitee | that without the text "sailfish" | 22:22 |
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| sebsebseb | varikonniemi: Waitee not sure about the Androi logo | 22:28 |
| sebsebseb | somthing green there for sme things that might be it, but I don't know | 22:28 |
| sebsebseb | aptooide is there though of coure | 22:29 |
| sebsebseb | being recommended by Jolla it says | 22:29 |
| Waitee | you should get all the android apps you need through it | 22:29 |
| varikonniemi | ? | 22:30 |
| varikonniemi | what are you talking about | 22:30 |
| Waitee | teaching sebsebseb the ways of jolla | 22:30 |
| varikonniemi | he highlighted me | 22:31 |
| sebsebseb | is the Jolla maketplace | 22:31 |
| sebsebseb | secure enough | 22:31 |
| sebsebseb | varikonniemi: oh yeah mistake high light | 22:31 |
| tadzik | every app is manually reviewed, iirc | 22:31 |
| varikonniemi | k :) | 22:31 |
| sebsebseb | for the Jolla store, but also this aptoide thing? | 22:32 |
| Waitee | just be sure to download apps from like real sources | 22:33 |
| sebsebseb | manualy checked | 22:33 |
| sebsebseb | s | 22:33 |
| sebsebseb | Waitee: well yeah | 22:33 |
| sebsebseb | ,but how do I know? | 22:33 |
| Waitee | dont download crappy stuff like "angrybirds pro 2015" | 22:33 |
| sebsebseb | trust the repos? be that jolla store or aptoide? | 22:33 |
| sebsebseb | Waitee: what you mean from any of the app stores for the angrybirds example? | 22:33 |
| Waitee | i mean that use your sense | 22:34 |
| * sebsebseb downloaded some rubbishey apps from Google Play on a tablet last year | 22:34 | |
| Waitee | yeah you can get shit on your phone from any source | 22:34 |
| sebsebseb | yeah appranty Google play may not be as checked as people think etc | 22:35 |
| sebsebseb | with Desktop Linux I Know loads of tetin is done for most distro's to even get software in the repo's, plu upstrema testing of course etc | 22:35 |
| Waitee | however the android compatibility layer is running within a sandbox so it shouldnt do much harm to your phone even if you get an infected app | 22:35 |
| sebsebseb | ,but phones and tablets are diffenret | 22:35 |
| sebsebseb | oh ok nice in a sandbox | 22:35 |
| sebsebseb | so nice and seperate from everything else then ;) | 22:35 |
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| sebsebseb | that's what you mean? | 22:36 |
| Waitee | yeah, it also means that at least for now, android apps cannot get access to bluetooth for example | 22:36 |
| Waitee | they also get less memory than privileged native apps afaik | 22:36 |
| sebsebseb | they won't take over texts or wahtever | 22:36 |
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| Waitee | yah | 22:37 |
| sebsebseb | if the jolla store recommends aptoie | 22:37 |
| sebsebseb | which it is | 22:37 |
| sebsebseb | says jolla recommends it | 22:37 |
| sebsebseb | ,but how do I know it's the offcial one? | 22:37 |
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| Waitee | well you see aptoide just combines lots of 3rd party markets for android apps under the same app | 22:38 |
| sebsebseb | oh right so straight to the sandbox for those | 22:38 |
| sebsebseb | Waitee: so it's just at rust the repos thing? | 22:39 |
| Waitee | which repos? | 22:39 |
| sebsebseb | don't really know as suh where any of those ANdroid apps are really coming from in aptoide/ | 22:40 |
| sebsebseb | ? | 22:40 |
| Waitee | every app you install through the jolla appstore is legit and works etc | 22:40 |
| sebsebseb | gone thrugh a chek thing ok | 22:40 |
| sebsebseb | ,but aptoside uses other repos etc? | 22:40 |
| Waitee | if you download something rogue WITH the app it's your fault though | 22:40 |
| sebsebseb | so you say, but | 22:41 |
| sebsebseb | as a user I should be able to trust everything in jolla's app store | 22:41 |
| sebsebseb | that nothing is malcious in there | 22:41 |
| sebsebseb | same for this aptotide thin really | 22:41 |
| Waitee | yeah | 22:41 |
| sebsebseb | if I gone outside of those | 22:41 |
| Waitee | but if you download something malicious via aptoide, there's nothing jolla can do about it | 22:41 |
| sebsebseb | and installed stuff from wheever and get something malicous | 22:41 |
| sebsebseb | then sure my fault | 22:41 |
| Morpog_PC__ | so, you telling me a gun shop is responsible if you kill someone with the gun? :D | 22:42 |
| sebsebseb | Morpog_PC__: no | 22:42 |
| sebsebseb | hmm so your say8ing jolla recommend aptoside, but jolla doesn't know if the stuff in there is clean or not etc? | 22:42 |
| Waitee | sebsebseb: lets put it this way: you download a web browser from jolla store | 22:42 |
| Waitee | if you get infected by a porn site, it's not jollas fault | 22:42 |
| sebsebseb | if I use it after and get on some webpae I dind't want to go on | 22:43 |
| sebsebseb | no that's not jolla's fault | 22:43 |
| sebsebseb | ,but | 22:43 |
| sebsebseb | providing me the offial web brwoser | 22:43 |
| Morpog_PC__ | If you are that damn afraid, just hack play store and google services into your jolla | 22:43 |
| sebsebseb | not some maliciou version of it, in the jolla app store | 22:43 |
| sebsebseb | I think that's up to joa to do checks | 22:43 |
| Waitee | again | 22:43 |
| Waitee | jolla store has nothing malicious in it, period | 22:43 |
| sebsebseb | ok, but what about aptoide? | 22:44 |
| Morpog_PC__ | what about the browser? | 22:44 |
| Waitee | however if you choose to download and install an app which allows further installation of apps, there's nothing jolla can do | 22:44 |
| Waitee | aptoide itself is perfectly legit and works | 22:44 |
| Waitee | works just as it should | 22:44 |
| Waitee | BUT | 22:45 |
| sebsebseb | ,but ight hae someth8ing malicios in it? or the might is aou as likley as jola apps store | 22:45 |
| Waitee | it's a 3rd party appstore for android | 22:45 |
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| Waitee | and it most definitely has something malicious in it | 22:45 |
| Morpog_PC__ | I feel we are getting massively trolled here | 22:45 |
| sebsebseb | Waitee: right that's basicallly the answer I was after | 22:45 |
| sebsebseb | Morpog_PC__: no I am not trolling | 22:45 |
| sebsebseb | just I know that repo's aren't always 1005 safe | 22:46 |
| sebsebseb | 100% above | 22:46 |
| Morpog_PC__ | sure | 22:46 |
| Waitee | Morpog_PC__: yeah, reminds me of the time i pretended to be a brony to piss off another student in my guild | 22:46 |
| Waitee | priceless | 22:46 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | I wouldn't trust everything in openrepos.net too | 22:46 |
| Morpog_PC__ | :D | 22:46 |
| sebsebseb | even the Google play store, might get something in there that's a bit malcious, but load of checks done etc not so likely as some 3rd party aptoide thing for example I guess | 22:46 |
| Waitee | yeah, but you cant get openrepos through jolla store anyway can you? | 22:47 |
| sebsebseb | I don't know | 22:47 |
| sebsebseb | I only just got a jolla phone today | 22:47 |
| sebsebseb | hence asking this stuff | 22:47 |
| Morpog_PC__ | but with the malicious jolla browser :) | 22:47 |
| Waitee | ;D | 22:47 |
| Morpog_PC__ | which I got from Jolla store | 22:47 |
| Waitee | oh stop it, lets be anice community | 22:47 |
| Waitee | a nice* | 22:47 |
| Waitee | ^^ | 22:48 |
| sebsebseb | maybe yu two werent' here earlier when I was saying about how I was about to get my Jolla etc | 22:48 |
| * Morpog_PC__ promises being nice | 22:48 | |
| Waitee | tbh i just got myself a moto g, got fed up with jolla not supporting enough stuff i use :3 | 22:48 |
| sebsebseb | or join the Puppy Linux guys on IRC, I mean that distro doesn't even get normal secureity updates, it's just want upates, ok well re install it again from an ISO | 22:49 |
| sebsebseb | with updates | 22:49 |
| sebsebseb | where as most Linux distro's have actsual repo's for security updates etc | 22:49 |
| Morpog_PC__ | Waitee, my Jolla is still such a relief compared to my N9 with apps situation | 22:49 |
| Morpog_PC__ | I don't care a crash here and there :D | 22:49 |
| sebsebseb | with apps situation/ | 22:49 |
| Waitee | Morpog_PC__: before jolla, i went 4 years with htc wildfire | 22:50 |
| Morpog_PC__ | well, thats android isn't it? | 22:50 |
| sebsebseb | your saying Jolla crashes someitmes? | 22:50 |
| sebsebseb | and how to get Google play on Jolla anyway? | 22:50 |
| Waitee | like i actually had to remove google maps to update whatsapp | 22:50 |
| Morpog_PC__ | SailfishOS still got lots of bugs | 22:50 |
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| sebsebseb | well more of a reason to do my first upate I guess then | 22:51 |
| Waitee | sebsebseb: i suggest you search that on your favourite search engine | 22:51 |
| sebsebseb | to the newer version o whatever | 22:51 |
| Waitee | sebsebseb: you should've updated in the first place | 22:51 |
| sebsebseb | it's been ready to intsall for a while now, but I should actsaully intall it now :) | 22:51 |
| sebsebseb | or soon | 22:51 |
| Waitee | :) | 22:51 |
| Morpog_PC__ | sebsebseb, https://together.jolla.com/question/30926/howto-install-google-play/ | 22:51 |
| sebsebseb | well tis is one of the first things | 22:51 |
| sebsebseb | I haven't installd any apps etc | 22:51 |
| sebsebseb | looked around tried osm stuff a bit etc | 22:52 |
| sebsebseb | downloaded the update | 22:52 |
| sebsebseb | I wanted to see the old version | 22:52 |
| sebsebseb | before I updated to some newer one | 22:52 |
| Morpog_PC__ | the new is great and bad at both times | 22:52 |
| Morpog_PC__ | great as it's alot more smooth | 22:52 |
| Morpog_PC__ | bad as it kills apps when it's running out of memory | 22:53 |
| Waitee | well at least it doesnt crash and reboot randomly when oom | 22:53 |
| Morpog_PC__ | well it didn't do that on U9 even | 22:53 |
| Morpog_PC__ | it just became laggy as hell :D | 22:53 |
| Waitee | did on u8 though | 22:54 |
| slate | so finally they admit that the hw is outdated ? | 22:54 |
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| Waitee | i never used u9 :D | 22:54 |
| Morpog_PC__ | not that laggy, believe me ;) | 22:54 |
| Waitee | well obviously it's outdated and made in a hurry | 22:54 |
| Waitee | they were screwed when the first chip provider decided not to continue | 22:54 |
| TwisteR | Hello! Can anyone help me? My Sailfish version is 1.0.2.5 and I'm having troubles with store | 22:54 |
| Morpog_PC__ | The HW was outdated when it was released already | 22:54 |
| TwisteR | basically, I can't download and install anything | 22:55 |
| slate | Morpog_PC__: I know. | 22:55 |
| Morpog_PC__ | do a SW update first | 22:55 |
| TwisteR | it just enters endless "waiting" (or "downloading") process | 22:55 |
| Waitee | factory reset? | 22:55 |
| TwisteR | already done | 22:56 |
| TwisteR | using settings option and recovery mode too | 22:56 |
| TwisteR | I have checked my account via website - it works | 22:56 |
| Yaniel | TwisteR: update first | 22:57 |
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| Yaniel | try again when you are on 1.1.1.27 | 22:58 |
| TwisteR | how? Any update process known to me involves downloading from store | 22:58 |
| TwisteR | even entering developer mode to gain console access | 22:58 |
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| TwisteR | Sailfish update is endless either | 22:59 |
| sebsebseb | TwisteR: HI | 22:59 |
| TwisteR | hello! | 22:59 |
| sebsebseb | maybe I can help yous | 22:59 |
| Morpog_PC__ | TwisteR, read this please: https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/201440377-Resolving-problems-with-Jolla-account-loading-applications-from-the-Jolla-store-and-or-getting-the-latest-OS-update | 22:59 |
| sebsebseb | since just got a jolla myself | 22:59 |
| sebsebseb | and about to do an update | 22:59 |
| sebsebseb | now that it donnloaded | 22:59 |
| sebsebseb | TwisteR: oddly in the settings itself on the default version | 23:00 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | sebsebseb, 1.0.2.5 is a special buggy version :) | 23:00 |
| TwisteR | Morpog_PC__: yes, thanks, I have already did that instructions | 23:00 |
| sebsebseb | I oudn't even see an update option untill | 23:00 |
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| sebsebseb | I went to about jolla, and then there's the button on top o that | 23:00 |
| Morpog_PC__ | did you skip entering jolla credentials at first boot? TwisteR | 23:01 |
| TwisteR | syre | 23:01 |
| TwisteR | sure* | 23:01 |
| TwisteR | like 5 or 10 times by now :) | 23:01 |
| sebsebseb | then it actaully downloaded yay, I wsn't sure if it was to begn wtih | 23:01 |
| Morpog_PC__ | try another wifi access point then or maybe try via mobile network | 23:01 |
| Morpog_PC__ | 1.0.2.5 had some wifi problems with various routers | 23:02 |
| Yaniel | sebsebseb: system update is still in settings in the latest version | 23:02 |
| Waitee | going to bed, good luck with your jollas :D | 23:02 |
| sebsebseb | Morpog_PC__: I guess my way o updating is going to work or hpefuolly | 23:02 |
| sebsebseb | about to find out | 23:02 |
| Yaniel | although now it is in settings->system->sailfishos | 23:02 |
| Morpog_PC__ | sebsebseb, in your case that is alot more stable on U8 | 23:02 |
| sebsebseb | Yaniel: in the version that the jolla phone comeswith, there wasn't an update option in the settings itself, I had to go to about jolla, then above that is an update button | 23:03 |
| Morpog_PC__ | I did every update from U1 till U11, never had to do a factory reset yet | 23:03 |
| Yaniel | yes, settings->system->about | 23:03 |
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| TwisteR | yep, good point with wifi... I even think to reflash my old dir320 to openwrt and install tcpdump to sniff some requests from phone | 23:03 |
| Yaniel | wifi on the first version was terrible :D | 23:03 |
| Morpog_PC__ | it went got after U7 | 23:03 |
| sebsebseb | Yaniel: yeah thats what I done, settings ystem about. and update button yeah. anway my update is ready to install. I'll install soon ;) | 23:03 |
| Morpog_PC__ | *good | 23:04 |
| sebsebseb | hmm so that's goning to be a big uprade then | 23:04 |
| Yaniel | wasn't it like 1.0.1.something | 23:04 |
| Yaniel | or even 1.0.0.x | 23:04 |
| sebsebseb | I mean what I got seems quite basic realy by default | 23:04 |
| Morpog_PC__ | I don't remember, feels like ages ago | 23:04 |
| Yaniel | it wouldn't connect at all after I typo'd my password once | 23:04 |
| sebsebseb | Morpog_PC__: yeah it's from 2013 or something the first version isn't it? | 23:04 |
| Yaniel | some 200-300MB IIRC | 23:04 |
| sebsebseb | that Jolla ships with to | 23:04 |
| Morpog_PC__ | sebsebseb, yep | 23:05 |
| Morpog_PC__ | I got a First One device | 23:05 |
| Yaniel | I think they updated the shipping version once | 23:05 |
| sebsebseb | a first one device what do you mean? | 23:05 |
| Yaniel | preorders | 23:05 |
| Morpog_PC__ | with special other half | 23:05 |
| Yaniel | <3 1st one TOH | 23:05 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | sebsebseb, http://images.fonearena.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/jolla-photo-gallery-9.jpg | 23:06 |
| sebsebseb | Salifish OS 1.0.2.5 that's what I got before updating | 23:06 |
| * Morpog_PC__ shivers | 23:06 | |
| TwisteR | the full story: when I receive my Jolla phone in mid-autumn (with 1.0.2.5), I was able to install anything and all worked correctly. Then, before New Year, I upgraded to 1.1.1.27 (the process went fine) but got a black screen after boot. Resolved it with factory reset and here I am... | 23:06 |
| sebsebseb | Morpog_PC__: shivers what, since that's a really old version? :d | 23:06 |
| Morpog_PC__ | yes and also very unstable one :D | 23:07 |
| sebsebseb | unstable how so? | 23:07 |
| sebsebseb | it hasn't crashed on me | 23:07 |
| Morpog_PC__ | look at TwisteR he can't even download the sw update :D | 23:07 |
| TwisteR | :( | 23:07 |
| Yaniel | it's buggy as hell compared to the latest one | 23:07 |
| sebsebseb | Morpog_PC__: wellhe said he update it to another ne though | 23:08 |
| sebsebseb | then had his issues | 23:08 |
| Yaniel | but still felt rock solid after the initial version :D | 23:08 |
| TwisteR | too bad that I'm even unable to gain console access without working store | 23:08 |
| Yaniel | TwisteR: you could check if recovery mode can tell you anything? | 23:08 |
| TwisteR | only 3 menu items, IIRC | 23:09 |
| slate | Morpog_PC__: isnt the "i made this" toh a lot cooler | 23:09 |
| Morpog_PC__ | sebsebseb, if you do a factory reset, you will get reset to the version that was flashed at factory | 23:09 |
| TwisteR | two useless and one for factory reset | 23:09 |
| Morpog_PC__ | slate, well only Jolla sailors got those | 23:09 |
| sebsebseb | Morpog_PC__: yep I kow what a factory reset is | 23:10 |
| sebsebseb | would take back to the version I have now | 23:10 |
| sebsebseb | before upgrading | 23:10 |
| Morpog_PC__ | the problem he got now is probably caused by a wifi bug in 1.0.2.5 | 23:10 |
| Morpog_PC__ | lots of people doing factory resets get that problem | 23:11 |
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| TwisteR | what is the bug details? Does it require unencrypted network? | 23:11 |
| Morpog_PC__ | I even shivver a lot if I ever have to do it. I will be reset to 1.0.0.5 :D | 23:11 |
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| Yaniel | TwisteR: is mobile data an option for you? | 23:12 |
| Morpog_PC__ | TwisteR, that could help alot | 23:12 |
| TwisteR | unfortunately, no at the moment | 23:12 |
| * Yaniel downlowded the first update over 2G | 23:12 | |
| sebsebseb | Morpog_PC__: heh you think that version is so bad. sees ok to me, but hey I haven't used any other versions yet | 23:12 |
| Yaniel | never again | 23:12 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | sebsebseb, well when you are at 1.0.2.5, then you will get U8 after that IIRC | 23:13 |
| Morpog_PC__ | and after that u will get U11 | 23:13 |
| sebsebseb | oh got to upgrade through the 8th upate? | 23:13 |
| Morpog_PC__ | maybe it was U7 | 23:13 |
| TwisteR | Morpog_PC__: can the phone use link on ethernet-over-usb? | 23:13 |
| Morpog_PC__ | yes | 23:13 |
| TwisteR | probably, not | 23:13 |
| TwisteR | really? | 23:13 |
| Morpog_PC__ | TwisteR, yes | 23:13 |
| Morpog_PC__ | but you need to install some packages first via terminal :D | 23:13 |
| TwisteR | damn | 23:14 |
| TwisteR | :D | 23:14 |
| Morpog_PC__ | which you first need to install via store :D | 23:14 |
| Morpog_PC__ | TwisteR, you could also try a weaker encryption of your wifi | 23:14 |
| sebsebseb | Morpog_PC__: well I am impressed with Jollaso far ;) even if I got your beloved version of it :D | 23:15 |
| Yaniel | and non-hidden wifi >>>> hidden | 23:15 |
| Morpog_PC__ | you will like it even more then with the updates | 23:15 |
| slate | wasnt there a problem also, that if you updated the store client before upgrading to 1.0.2.5, things got mesy on 1.0.2.5 | 23:15 |
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| slate | messy | 23:15 |
| * sebsebseb slaps Morpog_PC__ around with loads of Jolla phones with 1.0.2.5 installed on them :d | 23:16 | |
| TwisteR | 8) | 23:16 |
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| sebsebseb | I am not ued to a phone that gives me real OS updates by the way | 23:17 |
| sebsebseb | frst time I got one of those | 23:17 |
| TwisteR | if only I was able to get the terminal... | 23:17 |
| Morpog_Jolla | damn internet went down here | 23:17 |
| * TwisteR Gentoo user with 10 year experience :D | 23:17 | |
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| Morpog_PC | and it's up again | 23:18 |
| Morpog_PC | TwisteR, also BTRFS could have been a problem why your update to U11 failed | 23:18 |
| Morpog_PC | maybe check a rebelance when you are uo to date again | 23:19 |
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| Morpog_PC | rebalance | 23:19 |
| sebsebseb | how do you change the bacckground image on 10.2.5 or is that not possible? | 23:19 |
| Morpog_PC | TwisteR, https://together.jolla.com/question/30822/root-and-home-disks-full-and-causing-various-problems/ | 23:19 |
| sebsebseb | Morpog_PC: does 10.2.5 have BTRS as well or? | 23:19 |
| Morpog_PC | sebsebseb, yes | 23:20 |
| sebsebseb | oh nice ;) | 23:20 |
| Morpog_PC | sebsebseb, go to gallery, choose a pic, select from pulley menu create ambiance | 23:20 |
| TwisteR | Morpog_PC: no, I have no personal data on my phone (and no installed apps), so there are plenty of disk space | 23:20 |
| sebsebseb | also soething I Notied was on the update optoin | 23:20 |
| sebsebseb | ther was one for backup | 23:20 |
| sebsebseb | is that just a btrfs snap shot or? | 23:20 |
| Morpog_PC | TwisteR, free space is not free space on BTRFS unfortunately | 23:20 |
| Morpog_PC | sebsebseb, no, that vault | 23:21 |
| TwisteR | yep, that may be the problem ;) | 23:21 |
| sebsebseb | I cancalled backup I think or not | 23:21 |
| sebsebseb | ,but yeah wondered about that | 23:21 |
| TwisteR | Morpog_PC: that is a little price for it's features | 23:22 |
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| Morpog_PC | TwisteR, I bet next device will be EXT4 :D | 23:22 |
| temmi_moo | i want a phone where the base os is forked from freebsd and runs on zfs | 23:23 |
| Morpog_PC | create it :D | 23:23 |
| * Morpog_PC is going to bed, take care! | 23:24 | |
| TwisteR | thanks for help! | 23:24 |
| * Morpog_Jolla too | 23:24 | |
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| Morpog_PC | you're welcome | 23:24 |
| Morpog_PC | cya | 23:24 |
| slate | btrfs was a wrong move from the start imo :) | 23:25 |
| slate | greatest feature, loose power at the wrong moment and your device dies. | 23:25 |
| slate | perfect on a mobile. | 23:25 |
| sebsebseb | slate: oh really power thing? | 23:26 |
| TwisteR | slate: cool FS, risky decision. I like it :) | 23:26 |
| slate | did not like that too much, since there was no cloud sync for photos | 23:27 |
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| TwisteR | by the way, here is my recovery options: | 23:32 |
| TwisteR | Jolla Recovery v0.1 | 23:32 |
| TwisteR | 1) Reset phone to factory settings | 23:32 |
| TwisteR | 2) Reboot phone | 23:32 |
| TwisteR | 3) Exit | 23:32 |
| TwisteR | not so much... | 23:32 |
| TwisteR | I saw that people has some 5 options out there | 23:32 |
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| kimju | loosing power at the wrong moment can kill other filesystems too. my n950 died as it ran out of battery while I was taking a photo with it. Stuck in a boot loop since then. | 23:37 |
| temmi_moo | well yes but ext2 is realy old filesystem designed on old paradigms | 23:38 |
| sebsebseb | kimju: hmm so what does thsi mean for Jolla? | 23:38 |
| sebsebseb | should make sure it powers down complelty | 23:38 |
| sebsebseb | when not really using it for anything? | 23:38 |
| temmi_moo | btrfs is shiny and new and People Should Know Better(TM) nowadays | 23:39 |
| sebsebseb | yeah not many distros have gone btrfs by default yet either | 23:39 |
| sebsebseb | if any really | 23:39 |
| temmi_moo | sebsebseb: you should try to avoid letting the phone do anything when it runs out of power | 23:39 |
| sebsebseb | temmi_moo: so the file system doesn't possibl mess up you mean? | 23:39 |
| kimju | or even avoid running out of power. :) | 23:39 |
| sebsebseb | and if that were to hapen then what? | 23:39 |
| temmi_moo | meaning, when it warns of low battery, believe it and gracefully shut down | 23:39 |
| sebsebseb | or charge it? | 23:40 |
| temmi_moo | well if you can | 23:40 |
| sebsebseb | so it shoudn't go dwon to 0 really? | 23:40 |
| temmi_moo | in all likelihood you're somewhere sailing when it says low battery | 23:40 |
| temmi_moo | so don't take that last twitter photo | 23:40 |
| sebsebseb | 1. I don't sail on the sea since. I have saield on fake lakes and such though | 23:41 |
| sebsebseb | 2 I don't us Twitter , but maybe I wil with htis, but eh no one as such followed me on identi.ca/pump.io ayway | 23:41 |
| sebsebseb | social netowrkin g sites ik that are a waste of time really | 23:41 |
| * sebsebseb thinks look around a bit more at this, factory reset it for fun :d re do set up put in an account for Google, and I mean tommorow for that stuff, and I guess do the first upgrade | 23:42 | |
| temmi_moo | :) | 23:42 |
| sebsebseb | ah yeah I forgot the stuf about making some vieos | 23:42 |
| sebsebseb | that's why I want to do certain things to | 23:43 |
| temmi_moo | backing up and testing the restore might be good ideas as well | 23:43 |
| sebsebseb | I was taking photos actsualy ealirer on net book web cam as I ws doing stuff with Jolla heh heh | 23:43 |
| sebsebseb | temmi_moo: well there's nthing to back up really | 23:43 |
| sebsebseb | ,but yah | 23:43 |
| temmi_moo | identica is a nice social web site if you want zero followers for your updates | 23:43 |
| sebsebseb | well it changed to pump.io | 23:43 |
| sebsebseb | so a lot of peple left to other status.net sites | 23:44 |
| temmi_moo | i know, someone set that and some other alternative.social.media.site accounts for helsinki hacklab when the hacklab was new | 23:44 |
| sebsebseb | temmi_moo: you think testing the restore feature is a good idea? | 23:44 |
| temmi_moo | one thing was that there were no readers for those updates | 23:45 |
| sebsebseb | I was thinking mor9e fo fun :d I done it with well both my Androdi phone and and Anrdoid tablet before | 23:45 |
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| temmi_moo | a blog is a blog and if you want a facebook, it has to be the facebook, the alternative.paranoia.versions don't do the job of letting the joe regular layman know about our cool stuff | 23:45 |
| sebsebseb | temmi_moo: no, but I can tell people lik ethat | 23:46 |
| sebsebseb | some of which who think Iphone is so great heh heh | 23:46 |
| sebsebseb | about Jolla | 23:46 |
| sebsebseb | on the 15th Janurary at my public speakig group a bit :) | 23:46 |
| sebsebseb | actsaully I am down for a particualr role, wich gives me a good oppertunity to talk about some interestin things in 2015 in my case anyway :) | 23:47 |
| kimju | and the btrfs has come a long way in last couple of years. around 2011/2012 when I tried to use it in one embedded project it managed to survive only about five reboots before becoming corrupted. But I still wouldn't trust it in a product although it seems to work surprisingly well in Jolla. | 23:47 |
| sebsebseb | Jolla phone ok :), FOSDEM soon again yay :), Ubuntu Phone in February to :) | 23:47 |
| sebsebseb | kimju: yeah most Desktop Linux distro's don't trust it by default yet either or enough | 23:48 |
| sebsebseb | saying that openSUSE was gong to have it by default though, maybe they hve already | 23:48 |
| sebsebseb | and Mageia was going to posibly have for Mageia 5 by default, but only the stable fetures of btrfs, but seem no that will be Ext4 by default still | 23:48 |
| sebsebseb | Jolla is mainly used by geeks anyway at the moment, so I guess in that sesne it's intersin and good to use btfs | 23:49 |
| sebsebseb | ,but for Joe and Jane average may want something more stable realy | 23:49 |
| sebsebseb | temmi_moo: do you realy want average peopel to know about Jolla? | 23:50 |
| sebsebseb | and why if so? | 23:50 |
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| temmi_moo | i was referring to usage of alternative social media sites in case of helsinki hacklab | 23:51 |
| sebsebseb | oh right ok | 23:51 |
| temmi_moo | the idea of having a social media account for a 'lab was lost on me | 23:52 |
| temmi_moo | even more lost to me was why on earth should we be on any other than the facebook | 23:52 |
| temmi_moo | yes they're evil and all that i know, but all the joe averages are there and not on the alternatives | 23:53 |
| sebsebseb | true Facebook and Twtter | 23:53 |
| sebsebseb | and maybe a few on Google+ to | 23:53 |
| TwisteR | I think I would fail to explain what is so cool about Jolla to an average iphone user. Different consciousness levels... | 23:53 |
| sebsebseb | and yeah some use tumblr of course | 23:53 |
| sebsebseb | TwisteR: yeah how so? | 23:54 |
| sebsebseb | I thik people with Iphone just think they ae so good since the price and brand | 23:54 |
| temmi_moo | so, a jolla costs less, is unknown brand and all the performance metrics are losing too | 23:55 |
| sebsebseb | what do you mean all the performance metrics are losing too? | 23:55 |
| temmi_moo | it's not possible to convinge a joe generic of jolla | 23:55 |
| sebsebseb | convince you mean? | 23:55 |
| temmi_moo | amount of cores, amount of pixels, amount of megahertz, amount of apps | 23:56 |
| temmi_moo | yes convince | 23:56 |
| sebsebseb | oh your saying since the hardware is less powrfull | 23:56 |
| sebsebseb | and less apps to ? | 23:56 |
| temmi_moo | yes so the joe generics see jolla as inferior because of that | 23:56 |
| sebsebseb | I think Jolla is mainly about the OS itself :) | 23:56 |
| temmi_moo | don't worry, i like it better | 23:56 |
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| sebsebseb | what it is | 23:56 |
| sebsebseb | how the OS has een made | 23:56 |
| sebsebseb | what is in it etc | 23:56 |
| sebsebseb | I bought for the OS :) | 23:57 |
| temmi_moo | i bought for the keybored i haven't yet bought | 23:57 |
| sebsebseb | temmi_moo: the full Jolla keyboard? | 23:57 |
| sebsebseb | that popey linked me to | 23:57 |
| sebsebseb | there's one like a PC keyboard or somethin I think for jolla phone | 23:57 |
| sebsebseb | 3rd party thin anyway | 23:57 |
| sebsebseb | temmi_moo: maybe it would have heped if Jolla looked a bit better | 23:58 |
| sebsebseb | honestly when it's off | 23:58 |
| sebsebseb | it doesn't look that goo at all really | 23:58 |
| sebsebseb | that's what I thought when I first got it | 23:58 |
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| TwisteR | they are slaves, you're gonna have to be prepared to talk to them about things they have never heard (vendor independence, software and hardware freedoms, ability to own content and not to lease it and so on) | 23:59 |
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| temmi_moo | to me it looks a lot like muurame and other nordic minimalism | 23:59 |
| sebsebseb | white case doesn't look that great, and I know there ae other colours, but by defualt white case suck really and default is important | 23:59 |
| temmi_moo | http://muurame.com | 23:59 |
| sebsebseb | altough they sent me two Jolla stikers to and I was thinking of actaul sticking them on the white | 23:59 |
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