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| Stskeeps | f**king jetlag | 05:26 |
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| tbr | Stskeeps: what gives you jetlag? | 05:34 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: overnight to hongkong + no sleep makes a unhappy stskeeps | 05:37 |
| tbr | ah, enjoy your stay over there though | 05:38 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. well | 05:40 |
| Stskeeps | small cyclone hitting | 05:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 05:40 |
| Stskeeps | much fun | 05:41 |
| tbr | "fun" | 05:41 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | good morning guys | 07:27 |
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| Joonaa | Hey chem|st_, I set up the sdcard yesterday, and it works fine for android apps, but i cant copy any files to it using explorer (in windows). Error is "Cannot copy X" "Device has been either stopped or has been disconnected." | 08:51 |
| Joonaa | oh, thats for folders, if i copy an invidual file, i have no permissions.. hmm | 08:52 |
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| Joonaa | just checked and the permissions are as set in the guide | 09:06 |
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| sharpneli | This is interesting. QC has snapdragon optimized llvm. | 09:50 |
| sharpneli | Might be interesting to see if one can get glibc stuff out of it | 09:51 |
| sharpneli | https://developer.qualcomm.com/mobile-development/increase-app-performance/snapdragon-llvm-compiler-android | 09:51 |
| AL13N_work | i wonder if sailfishos could get some performance speedup(or less battery usage) out of it | 09:54 |
| AL13N_work | it might not be that big of improvement, though | 09:54 |
| sharpneli | Afterall it was only 10% in libjpeg | 09:54 |
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| AL13N_work | exactly | 09:54 |
| AL13N_work | that means 10% on something that isn't exactly a bottleneck | 09:55 |
| AL13N_work | and "marketing 10%" | 09:55 |
| AL13N_work | it could just as well be "sometimes 7%" | 09:55 |
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| Nc_ | Do anyone know an actually support email account for Jolla? | 10:24 |
| svuorela | Nc_: care@ ? | 10:25 |
| Nc_ | not seeing it on their support or contact pages, but can try... | 10:25 |
| svuorela | Nc_: see /topic | 10:25 |
| Nc_ | cute place to put it :) | 10:25 |
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| Nc_ | wonder if all Jolla users also use IRC | 10:26 |
| sqozz | care is actually well known under jolla users ;) | 10:26 |
| Nc_ | btw, anyone else finding that their phone has become extremely slow, to the point where input takes multiple seconds per touch? | 10:27 |
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| Nc_ | e.g. swiping up in the apps-list results in noting for 3-6 seconds, then it offers to delete apps instead of scrolling | 10:28 |
| Nicd- | Nc_: have you tried to reboot? | 10:28 |
| Nc_ | ya - often | 10:28 |
| sqozz | hm.. no, not really | 10:28 |
| Nc_ | most times, I need to yank the battery :( | 10:28 |
| Nicd- | maybe you have some process going wild and using all cpu or memory | 10:28 |
| sqozz | how long do you own the phone? | 10:28 |
| Nc_ | since early this year | 10:29 |
| Turski | Nicd-: probably out of memory? | 10:29 |
| Turski | Nc_: ^ | 10:29 |
| Nicd- | Turski: sounds like swapping yeah | 10:29 |
| Acce | I have that slugginess also, someone talked about balancing the btrfs | 10:29 |
| Nc_ | Nicd-, my thought too, but lighthouse shows nothing suspeci | 10:29 |
| Nc_ | suspect | 10:29 |
| Nicd- | Nc_: then try 'devel-su btrfs fi show' | 10:29 |
| Nc_ | (except lipstick using a lot of ram) | 10:29 |
| Nicd- | see if your btrfs is full | 10:29 |
| Nc_ | wow, could SSH in - that doesn't work half the time :) | 10:31 |
| Nc_ | devid 1 size 13.75GB used 11.75GB path /dev/mmcblk0p28 | 10:31 |
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| Nicd- | well, it's not totally used | 10:32 |
| Turski | Nc_: how much free RAM you have? | 10:33 |
| Nicd- | probably better to ask how much resident RAM there is | 10:34 |
| Nicd- | free RAM is almost always 0 by design | 10:34 |
| Nc_ | total 811m, free 13m, buffers 7m, cached 339m | 10:34 |
| Nc_ | no swap used | 10:34 |
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| Turski | Nicd-: that's what's usually meant by free RAM | 10:37 |
| Turski | -/+ buffers/cache line on free output | 10:37 |
| faenil | Nc_: yeah, me! I have those issues! | 10:37 |
| faenil | I am debugging it right these days | 10:38 |
| Nc_ | Turski, that line shows 360meg free, 451 used | 10:38 |
| Turski | Nc_: well, that's not the problem then... | 10:38 |
| Nc_ | faenil, any pointers so far? | 10:38 |
| faenil | Nc_: working on it...I have more than one type of freezes | 10:39 |
| Nc_ | Turski, lemme try to force the problem again, and see if it'll let me get a readout | 10:39 |
| Turski | Nc_: but connman has caused some pretty hard freezes for me previously | 10:39 |
| Turski | Nc_: and also on my pc, somehow it can do that | 10:39 |
| Turski | Nc_: but i haven't seen those after last connman upgrade | 10:40 |
| faenil | Nc_: you should try gdb attach'ing to the freezing process, when the freeze happens | 10:40 |
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| faenil | it takes patience, yeah...but you'll eventually get useful backtraces (provided you have debug symbols installed, if you don't, you have to install the needed ones) | 10:41 |
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| Nc_ | typical, now that I'm looking for it to go into slow-mo mode, it runs properly XD | 10:43 |
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| Nc_ | heck, even the browser isn't crashing immediately ... | 10:44 |
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| Nicd- | Turski: yes but for example I have gotten many questions why sailtime shows that the memory is always full | 10:45 |
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| meklu | Nicd-: you could probably differentiate the disk cache and 'real' memory usage | 10:48 |
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| meklu | although I've found that having disk cache fill your ram will actually pretty severely slow things down a lot of times | 10:49 |
| meklu | at least in the 3.1x series | 10:49 |
| Nicd- | meklu: I can't because my data source does not differentiate them | 10:49 |
| Nicd- | but anyone is free to improve it :) | 10:49 |
| meklu | :( | 10:49 |
| Nc_ | Turski, now showing 708meg used, 102 free, and phone grinding to a halt ... | 10:50 |
| AL13N_work | meklu: i've actually found out that in 3.12 at least i have the problem that after some uptimes, the cache is starting to go down (and swap isn't getting used), and when checking how much memory running processes actually take, i get quite the difference | 10:51 |
| Nc_ | apps seem to be forcibly closed by the OS | 10:51 |
| AL13N_work | after some time, i get even OOM while swap still is mostly unused | 10:51 |
| AL13N_work | i'm trying 3.14 now on my desktop to see if it improves | 10:51 |
| AL13N_work | s/desktop/firewall/ | 10:52 |
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| the_mgt | so, what is this playllist nonsense in the media player? m3u is recognized as playlist, but can not be used, although the pathes to the files are correct? | 10:52 |
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| AL13N_work | file and extension recognition doesn't mean that the media player app actually handles external playlist files | 10:53 |
| the_mgt | than it should not show them | 10:56 |
| AL13N_work | possibly | 10:57 |
| the_mgt | is there any m3u that works for you? | 10:57 |
| AL13N_work | you'll have to make a tjc issue or maybe there is one already | 10:57 |
| * AL13N_work doesn't use m3u | 10:57 | |
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| meklu | m3u is a pretty simple format to be honest | 10:57 |
| the_mgt | there are only 4-5 entries loosely referring to m3u, but no definitive "it doesnt work" entry, thats why I am asking here for your experience | 10:58 |
| meklu | haven't tried it out with the player though | 10:58 |
| faenil | Nc_: if you're hitting OOM you should be able to see it in dmesg | 10:58 |
| AL13N_work | https://together.jolla.com/question/53447/use-playlist-in-app/ | 10:58 |
| the_mgt | I would have generated a pls, according to tjc, vlc can create some, but it doesnt in my version | 10:58 |
| r0kk3rz | the pls implementation in the Jolla Media app is broken anyway | 10:59 |
| AL13N_work | ic | 10:59 |
| faenil | Nc_: I'll be back later, but anyway, let me know if you get any update on this matter, as I'm trying to fix such issues on my phone | 10:59 |
| Nc_ | cheers | 10:59 |
| r0kk3rz | afaik QMultimedia can handle m3us | 10:59 |
| r0kk3rz | no idea what the Media app is based on, as its all closed source | 10:59 |
| faenil | Nc_: but gdb attach is one useful thing you have to try if you want to see what's going on when it freezes ;) | 11:00 |
| faenil | bbl | 11:00 |
| the_mgt | It does show there is a m3u, it shows the proper content (the songs in the list), but all of them are 0:00 length and you can not start any | 11:00 |
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| AL13N_work | maybe the paths aren't relative? | 11:01 |
| AL13N_work | have you opened it up in a text editor? | 11:01 |
| the_mgt | the pathes are absolute, matching my sd card | 11:01 |
| AL13N_work | oic | 11:01 |
| AL13N_work | and the file itself can be played using the media player? | 11:01 |
| the_mgt | yep, used nano to correct to /media/sdcard/xxxx-xxxx | 11:01 |
| meklu | nano? ouch | 11:01 |
| the_mgt | copy and pasted a line to see wether they work in "ls $pathtofile" | 11:01 |
| AL13N_work | maybe the files are outside of the tracker and aren't indexed and thus can't be played? | 11:02 |
| the_mgt | the file itself can be opened in the media player | 11:02 |
| r0kk3rz | just checked my phone, media plays m3u files just fine | 11:02 |
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| the_mgt | r0kk3rz: how many entries? relative or absolute path? can you paste an example, pls | 11:02 |
| r0kk3rz | not many entries, as they are album playlists | 11:03 |
| the_mgt | AL13N_work: the files are all showing up fine in media, every album I want to use in the m3u is there | 11:03 |
| AL13N_work | sounds like a bug then | 11:03 |
| meklu | woah, just bumped into vim's block selection thing properly | 11:04 |
| meklu | damn it's cool | 11:04 |
| the_mgt | r0kk3rz: looks like this here #EXTM3U | 11:04 |
| the_mgt | #EXTINF:205,Mr. Brown | 11:04 |
| the_mgt | /media/sdcard/6710-D12A/Music/Bob Marley/Rebel/01 Mr. Brown.mp3 | 11:04 |
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| r0kk3rz | my m3u file is really basic | 11:05 |
| meklu | maybe it chokes up on comments? | 11:06 |
| r0kk3rz | literally just a list of mp3 file names | 11:06 |
| r0kk3rz | no paths, no tags, nothing | 11:06 |
| meklu | there could also be issues with the line endings, btw | 11:06 |
| r0kk3rz | eg track1.mp3 \n track2.mp3 | 11:06 |
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| r0kk3rz | (actual new line rather than \n though) | 11:07 |
| the_mgt | I tried "ls /path/to/music/*mp3 > playlist.m3u" once, didn't do anything either | 11:07 |
| meklu | grep -Fc $'\r' playlist.m3u | 11:07 |
| the_mgt | meklu: 0 | 11:08 |
| meklu | so it's not that then | 11:09 |
| the_mgt | file says M3U playlist, UTF-8 Unicode text | 11:09 |
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| r0kk3rz | what are you actually trying to do though? like, you want a playlist of your whole collection to play through sequentially? | 11:10 |
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| the_mgt | everything Ska, Reggea, Rocksteady and New Orleans Jazz. about 10 albums or so | 11:11 |
| r0kk3rz | if i understand your use case, then i program for it in my app | 11:12 |
| the_mgt | basically, what i would want is easy adding of a whole album/artist to a play list | 11:12 |
| the_mgt | instead of every single song (they are about 200 or so, i guess) | 11:13 |
| the_mgt | there seem to be workarounds, but that still sounds annoying, from what i read | 11:14 |
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| r0kk3rz | yeah ok, i think i get it | 11:15 |
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| r0kk3rz | so adding album tracks in order to your play queue | 11:16 |
| r0kk3rz | should be able to do that without any album specific m3u files, provided tracker gets the track/album info right | 11:17 |
| r0kk3rz | which is a big if | 11:17 |
| the_mgt | tracker needs a good kicking sometimes, but so far it seems to get everything straight | 11:22 |
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| the_mgt | haven't checked in every detail since my last update yesterday night | 11:22 |
| r0kk3rz | i think it really depends on your library | 11:23 |
| r0kk3rz | some peoples libraries are tagged badly, so they get poor results through tracker | 11:23 |
| r0kk3rz | mines tagged well, so i have no probems | 11:24 |
| the_mgt | yes, I recently spent ... too many hours to get things straight | 11:24 |
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| the_mgt | but now it is tagged well and most things have cover art. unfortunately, Media ignores most cover art in m4a files | 11:25 |
| the_mgt | also it seems to ignore largish cover art | 11:25 |
| r0kk3rz | i dont see the point in cover art | 11:25 |
| r0kk3rz | but i do need to put in an artist/album view to my music player app | 11:25 |
| Sail0r | r0kk3rz: do you have a rpm from the latest version with mpris support? | 11:26 |
| the_mgt | most of my music files is my CD collection, and most of the stuff was badly tagged. so I thought "well, when I need to touch every single file, why not do it properly?" | 11:26 |
| r0kk3rz | not yet | 11:26 |
| r0kk3rz | its *almost* finished, i'm just not sure how to set two interfaces | 11:27 |
| Sail0r | ok | 11:27 |
| r0kk3rz | if i announce the base interface, the player interface dissapears from the introspect | 11:27 |
| r0kk3rz | not sure why | 11:28 |
| Nicd- | r0kk3rz: cover art looks nice and it's easy to see what's playing at a glance | 11:28 |
| r0kk3rz | you should be able to build from the git though, which has the full player interface with metadata and events and such | 11:28 |
| TMavica | anyone able to play this in Jolla? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/37229054/ICQmessage.mp3 | 11:29 |
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| kimmoli | answered in twitter... | 11:36 |
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| TMavica | THX! | 11:38 |
| TMavica | I try | 11:38 |
| kimmoli | TMavica: got "parse0: No valid input found before end of stream", converted it ogg, got still same error. snipped start and end, convert to wav, and it plays... | 11:38 |
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| TMavica | kimmoli: worked | 11:47 |
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| coderus | Microsoft accuired Mojang (Minecraft) for 2.5 billion! | 13:49 |
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| kimmoli | $1 per pixel ? | 13:50 |
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| r0kk3rz | there was a number of times notch said he was sick of the gaming community and wanted out | 13:52 |
| r0kk3rz | turns out he was serious | 13:52 |
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| faenil | coderus: holy crap | 13:53 |
| faenil | I would have never thought they had 100 million players | 13:53 |
| Nav | and is Microsofts announcement it seems they've already dropped linux from their list of platforms | 13:53 |
| Nav | http://news.xbox.com/2014/09/games-minecraft-to-join-Microsoft | 13:54 |
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| dunp | https://minecraft.net/download | 14:00 |
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| Nav | dunp: not included in their announcement though | 14:00 |
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| dunp | just lot mail to ask linux support :) | 14:02 |
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| coderus | until Minecraft is still Java it can be launched in linux :) | 14:10 |
| coderus | while* | 14:11 |
| dunp | they will port it C# or NET only.. | 14:13 |
| Nav | That's ok - minetest exists, and isn't java :-) | 14:16 |
| Nav | (or C# or .NET) | 14:16 |
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| Nicd- | does minetest have enemies? | 14:18 |
| Nav | No idea | 14:18 |
| Nav | Never played it | 14:18 |
| Nav | But I can see it getting plenty of attention if MS take Minecraft in a direction people don't like | 14:19 |
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| the_mgt | hm, I thought this was just a joke: http://www.commitstrip.com/en/page/2/ | 14:21 |
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| the_mgt | wrt minecraft and windows | 14:22 |
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| eyea_UK | jolla )0!1@ joh | 15:19 |
| eyea_UK | how is everyone | 15:20 |
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| tadzik | hey, we're doing well, thanks! :P | 15:22 |
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| eyea_UK | jolla )01!@ joh | 15:28 |
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| eyea_UK | does any one know what is coming in the new ota | 15:35 |
| eyea_UK | update | 15:36 |
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| peppelakappa | "soon" | 15:37 |
| eyea_UK | indeed | 15:37 |
| eyea_UK | i reflashed my N900 | 15:38 |
| eyea_UK | last night | 15:38 |
| eyea_UK | jolla going strong | 15:39 |
| stephg | eyea_UK: a reminder of what's coming: https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-August/004939.html | 15:39 |
| eyea_UK | thanks | 15:39 |
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| eyea_UK | do we know if we are getting extra accounts | 15:42 |
| stephg | (I think) a bunch of the middleware for the accounts mechanisms was opened over the summer | 15:43 |
| eyea_UK | nice | 15:46 |
| eyea_UK | is there any news on a hardware keyboard in a other half form | 15:47 |
| tbr | the community is doing a second revision of the keyboard ToH | 15:48 |
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| eyea_UK | ok | 15:49 |
| eyea_UK | cool | 15:49 |
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| eyea_UK | So long NOKIA | 15:58 |
| eyea_UK | long live Jolla | 15:59 |
| eyea_UK | does any one in channel work for Jolla | 16:02 |
| SK_work | eyea_UK: quite a lot of silent people | 16:03 |
| SK_work | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTc4Nzk | 16:03 |
| SK_work | ubuntu touch with RTM and phone coming in DEC | 16:03 |
| SK_work | let's see how competitors do their stuff | 16:03 |
| svuorela | I'd rather describe googleandroid and ios and windows phone as competitors rather than ubuntu phone. | 16:04 |
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| SK_work | svuorela: well, they have the same scale | 16:05 |
| eyea_UK | yep | 16:05 |
| SK_work | launching product, Qt based, very low market share | 16:05 |
| SK_work | anyway, fun that there are people commenting in phoronix about Stskeeps and libhybris :) | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | SK_work: i'll believe it wehn i see it (phone in dec) | 16:06 |
| SK_work | same, was just a headsup | 16:06 |
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| svuorela | Stskeeps: btw, do your employer plan on opening a development office in copenhagen in the near future? :) | 16:07 |
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| SK_work | :D | 16:08 |
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| Aard | svuorela: if you sponsor the office, yes | 16:12 |
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| coderus | Bawal: you have slow shutter speed :D | 18:43 |
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| Morphy | Does anyone know what the ETA is for the next update? It's not really early September anymore... | 19:14 |
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| Nicd- | Morphy: they had to delay it for a few weeks | 19:14 |
| Nicd- | due to upgrading to Qt 5.2 | 19:14 |
| r0kk3rz | late september is my guess | 19:14 |
| Nicd- | so late sep or early oct | 19:15 |
| Morphy | Alright, thanks! | 19:15 |
| Aard | Morphy: when qt5.2 is stable | 19:15 |
| Aard | if you drop by with a beer I might tell you more :p | 19:15 |
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| Morphy | I just might ;) | 19:16 |
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| chem|st | Aard: that is a matter of months... :) | 21:57 |
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