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| h4PPYC4T | is it possible to give android applicatios access beyond /home/nemo/android_storage? i tried to create a symbolic link in that directory with ln which links to a directory under /home/nemo but it doesn't work (err-msg -> not implemented) | 04:24 |
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| h4PPYC4T | ah, okay... /home/nemo/android_store is a "fuse-mount" | 04:58 |
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| coderus | h4PPYC4T: there are nice irc sailfish application btw :) | 06:54 |
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| coderus_ | btrfs recovery expert needed: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8333525/ | 10:21 |
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| tbr | coderus_: looks bad. if it can be mounted copy off whatever you don't have a backup and try to revert to factory default? | 10:30 |
| coderus_ | it can't be mounted :( | 10:30 |
| coderus_ | factory default not working because can't mount too | 10:31 |
| tbr | did you by chance make a backup copy of the raw btrfs at some point? | 10:31 |
| coderus_ | no manual backups | 10:32 |
| tbr | I guess you will need to ask around for a copy and then dd it to the device | 10:32 |
| coderus_ | just p28? | 10:33 |
| tbr | I think someone described how they did that on either TJC or the mailing list | 10:33 |
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| coderus_ | ok, its not my device, i'll try to dd from my device and send (13GB!?) to my friend... | 10:42 |
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| tbr | coderus_: I'm not sure, there might be a way to just extract the snapshot of factory state | 10:56 |
| tbr | coderus_: have you checked for that description by the guy who already did this? I think also nieldk knows something about that | 10:57 |
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| coderus_ | Can anyone make dd /dev/mmcblk0p28 > archive and share? My friend need help to recover partition, but my DSL upload speed is slow.. | 12:08 |
| coderus_ | tbr: yeah, its just 4GB, but my connection is slow anyway. i need 10 hours to upload that 1.5GB rar archive... | 12:08 |
| Sail0r | it's home oO | 12:09 |
| Sail0r | so will contain user settings too? | 12:09 |
| Sail0r | and passwords and so on | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 12:10 |
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| Sail0r | so it's not a good idea to share that with someone | 12:11 |
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| Sail0r | except you did a factory reset ^^ | 12:11 |
| Sail0r | and everything is plain | 12:11 |
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| coderus_ | if you can make factory dd i'll be happy :) | 12:14 |
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| Sail0r | jolla should be able to provide such an image shouldn't they? | 12:15 |
| coderus | its weekend :) | 12:16 |
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| louisdk | I have a few apks on my Jolla which will not install. When trying to install trough the GUI nothings happens. If I try to install over SSH I get this output and nothing installed: http://pastebin.com/EKJ1t168 - How can I debug this? | 12:42 |
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| faenil | louisdk: try asking thp when he's around | 12:50 |
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| faenil | coderus: didn't you have a fast connection? :D | 12:51 |
| Joonaa | I mounted my sdcard at /home/nemo/sdcard, how do i give myself permissions so i can write on it from windows? | 12:51 |
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| Joonaa | oh, nevermind | 12:59 |
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| coderus | faenil: not now, i'm min mother's house right now | 13:01 |
| coderus | s/min/in | 13:01 |
| faenil | coderus: aw :) | 13:01 |
| coderus | in house district there are no fiber/cable | 13:02 |
| coderus | only dsl :( | 13:02 |
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| chem|st | Joonaa: the native mountpoint gets exported to MTP, no need to mount in circles | 13:05 |
| louisdk | One thing that bugs me a bit is that I have to start sshd.socket manually (or reboot) to get ssh access after enabling dev mode. The required packages have been installed along time ago. | 13:05 |
| Joonaa | chem|st not sure what you mean by that? (i dont use linux) | 13:06 |
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| chem|st | Joonaa: MTP is a Windows thing | 13:07 |
| Joonaa | hmm, i mean, i didnt see the memory card in windows before (formatted btrfs) | 13:08 |
| Joonaa | and even now i cant copy large files to it via explorer | 13:08 |
| chem|st | Joonaa: you do not need to mount the sdcard anywhere if it is mounted in /media/sdcard/$UUID then it will get exported to MTP | 13:08 |
| chem|st | Joonaa: and that is strange | 13:08 |
| Joonaa | you mean /run/user/100000/media? | 13:09 |
| chem|st | Joonaa: you are running an old sailfish version if you still have this mountpoint | 13:09 |
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| Joonaa | ah was wondering why i couldnt see it there :) | 13:09 |
| chem|st | if it is not showing on your windows, a simple symlink should do iirc | 13:10 |
| Joonaa | well, it is showing after mounting it at /home/nemo/sdcard | 13:12 |
| chem|st | but on windows the sdcard should show up | 13:12 |
| chem|st | that MTP stuff is buggy | 13:12 |
| Joonaa | whatever | 13:12 |
| Joonaa | can my android apps access the sdcard somehow? | 13:12 |
| Joonaa | thats what i REALLY need | 13:13 |
| chem|st | you can add a btrfs subvolume to your sdcard and mount it to /data/media/ | 13:14 |
| chem|st | that is then fused to $HOME/android_storage and also accessible from your PC | 13:14 |
| Joonaa | cant just mount the sdcard itself there? | 13:15 |
| Joonaa | its btrfs | 13:15 |
| chem|st | don't know if that is a good idea | 13:15 |
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| Joonaa | alright, ill see if i can manage to create a subvolume | 13:17 |
| Joonaa | or well, any reason why its no good? | 13:18 |
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| CvP_ | coderus: how are you? ... the sync plugin is now open source, do you have a new project? :) | 13:23 |
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| chem|st | Joonaa: https://together.jolla.com/question/40802/how-to-format-your-usd-card-to-btrfs-and-share-space-with-android/ | 13:33 |
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| Joonaa | thanks! i didnt even think about searching for that :) | 13:33 |
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| pdanek | I called some local number. | 13:34 |
| pdanek | Then I called same number, but international one, so it's actually different number, with different international prefix. | 13:34 |
| pdanek | But Sailfish grouped them together, why? :( | 13:34 |
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| Joonaa | chem|st: is mmcblk1p1 a partition instead of the whole card? | 13:36 |
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| phako_ | Joonaa: that's the usual naming convention (p1) | 13:38 |
| chem|st | Joonaa: yes | 13:40 |
| Joonaa | alright thanks | 13:40 |
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| chem|st | Joonaa: the way it is described there with the .service (or .mount) systemd is how you make sure that aliendalvik.service is not mounting the fuse to $HOME/android_storage before the sdcard is mounted | 13:41 |
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| Joonaa | yeah ill follow that, hopefully without any problems | 13:42 |
| chem|st | Joonaa: it is pretty straight fwd | 13:43 |
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| chem|st | the subvolume setup lets both /media/sdcard/$UUID and /data/media use the whole sdcard without the need of partitions - but be aware that btrfs balancing is buggy (but that also applies to the on-device btrfs partitions) | 13:45 |
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| Joonaa | alright | 13:46 |
| chem|st | just ping me if you have any questions | 13:46 |
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| chem|st | pdanek: is it contacts or numbers-by-hand? | 13:48 |
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| pdanek | numbers by hand | 13:48 |
| chem|st | so not known contacts | 13:48 |
| pdanek | yes | 13:48 |
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| Joonaa | oh fun times, copying 12gb of spotify.. | 13:49 |
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| chem|st | and they now show both under one unkown contact page? | 13:49 |
| chem|st | Joonaa: from internal to sdcard? | 13:49 |
| Joonaa | yeah | 13:49 |
| chem|st | :) | 13:50 |
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| pdanek | 1) I sent SMS to some local number (Polish number), without international prefix | 13:50 |
| pdanek | 2) I sent 2nd SMS to same number, but with international prefix (so it's different number, Czech number) | 13:50 |
| pdanek | 3) In chats, it grouped those chats together. | 13:50 |
| chem|st | ah it recognizes that the extensions are the same | 13:50 |
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| chem|st | that is probably worth a bugreport even if it is unlikely that you have two numbers in different countries being the same | 13:51 |
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| chem|st | otoh if you receive sms they are always with international prefix | 13:52 |
| chem|st | hmm, well no bug though | 13:52 |
| chem|st | it is desired behaviour | 13:53 |
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| coderus | CvP_: what sync plugin and how its related to me? | 13:54 |
| chem|st | is sms 1 and sms 2 the same person or really two different numbers (e | 13:54 |
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| pdanek | chem|st: to different numbers grouped together | 13:54 |
| pdanek | maybe it's desired, but wrongly designed | 13:55 |
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| chem|st | pdanek: +31123456789 and 0123456789 are the same number and grouped! | 13:55 |
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| tbr | chem|st: consider: 00358-40-123456 and +35840123456 - group or not? | 14:00 |
| pdanek | tbr: group. because 00 and + are same | 14:01 |
| tbr | chem|st: also consider signalling differences for country prefixes while travelling | 14:01 |
| faenil | tbr: isn't that actually the same number? | 14:01 |
| Joonaa | didnt pdanek say the country code is different | 14:01 |
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| pdanek | country code was different | 14:01 |
| pdanek | and it groups | 14:01 |
| chem|st | group... + and 00 are basically the same | 14:01 |
| tbr | Joonaa: I'm making a general point here | 14:01 |
| tbr | chem|st: will you also group 135840123456? | 14:01 |
| chem|st | + gets replaced by operator as it might be something else than 00 | 14:01 |
| tbr | chem|st: how about 99035840123456? | 14:02 |
| Jare | there are clear rules how telephone numbers are formed, there should be no issues grouping internal telephone numbers... | 14:02 |
| tbr | I have enough telephone numbering oddities up my sleeve to continue for half an hour | 14:02 |
| tbr | Jare: how quaint | 14:02 |
| chem|st | tbr: we are talking about grouping of different country prefixes | 14:02 |
| tbr | Jare: you don't travel much internationally, do you? | 14:02 |
| Jare | at least the basic cases like this one | 14:03 |
| chem|st | in the unlikely event of cabine pressure loss... | 14:03 |
| tbr | chem|st: how do you identify where the country prefix starts? | 14:03 |
| pdanek | Is anyone able to test on Android? Out of curiosity. | 14:04 |
| tbr | my point is: phone number signalling across operators and countries is so wildly different and inconsistent, that you simply can not try to evaluate the whole number. | 14:04 |
| tbr | Nokia e.g. made a conscious and DOCUMENTED decision to only compare the first n characters of a phone number for phone book matching | 14:05 |
| chem|st | tbr: 0033#, +32# and +31# should not be grouped, should they | 14:05 |
| tbr | chem|st: they very well might and in case of a Nokia phone most certainly will | 14:06 |
| chem|st | and that is a bug | 14:06 |
| tbr | no, it's a documented feature (in case of Nokia) | 14:06 |
| tbr | and in my personal opinion a completely sensible one in face of the problem | 14:06 |
| chem|st | so just because a company claims it is a feature it makes it one? | 14:07 |
| pdanek | I understand it is a feature to overcome something hard to implement. | 14:07 |
| tbr | yes, it makes it a documented restriction of behaviour. You are of course entitled to personally think it's a bug or the end of humanity | 14:07 |
| pdanek | But everyone has to agree, that it is not ideal solution and only accepted because it is rare to find 2 same extensions for 2 different prefixes. | 14:08 |
| chem|st | so the rare case that two unrelated people have the same number but in different countries will merge on all phones... | 14:08 |
| tbr | pdanek: opinions may differ, but I'd say it's not just hard, it's impossible | 14:08 |
| Joonaa | chem|st: umount /dev/mmcblk1 "target is busy" | 14:08 |
| chem|st | Joonaa: then don't | 14:09 |
| tbr | chem|st: it's actually not that rare to run into it. It has happened to me during the late nineties for the first time (on a nokia phone) | 14:09 |
| tbr | and JFTR: you're all free to go to TJC and put a question up | 14:09 |
| chem|st | country codes need to be taken into account | 14:09 |
| tbr | I'm just telling you what you're most likely going to get as the answer, as I actually know the problem. | 14:10 |
| tbr | chem|st: I then challenge you to implement a matching algorithm that then does NOT fail to match all possible corner cases | 14:10 |
| pdanek | Actually, I understand perfect grouping is nearly impossible like tbr says, but at least including database of all country codes and considering it with grouping may be doable | 14:11 |
| tbr | as said before, how do you identify an country prefix? | 14:11 |
| tbr | hint: you can't, its just numbers, you can never be 100% sure | 14:12 |
| chem|st | tbr: country prefixes are not random | 14:12 |
| tbr | chem|st: my challenge stands, deliver the algorithm, I'm going to break it, probably within minutes | 14:13 |
| chem|st | :) | 14:13 |
| chem|st | it is doing it backwards atm right? | 14:14 |
| tbr | I can only guess, but it is probably matching against n-digits counted from the end, where N is probably 6-9 | 14:15 |
| chem|st | so at some point if numbers are getting longer and longer it will break the current one anyways | 14:15 |
| chem|st | I know people with 5 digit phone numbers (yes they kept them from the '80s) | 14:16 |
| chem|st | I even know people with 9 digits with country prefix... | 14:17 |
| Jare | i wonder how significant number or local numbers are using some of the itu country code prefixes | 14:17 |
| Jare | ie. what would be the error rate compared to the current one | 14:17 |
| Jare | or/of | 14:17 |
| tbr | btw: http://www.nokia.com/in-en/support/faq/?action=singleTopic&topic=FA139002 | 14:18 |
| chem|st | I am glad they use 6, I'd be screwed with less... | 14:20 |
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| tbr | possible ways out of this dilemma include such technologies like E.164 and ENUM. This stuff goes at glacial speeds though. IIRC E.164 is from the 90s | 14:24 |
| chem|st | tbr: our matching problem does only exist for numbers without country prefix... so how about taking that into account | 14:24 |
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| chem|st | match numbers with single leading 0 backwards the others fwd | 14:26 |
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| chem|st | that way you only match numbers without country code accidentially to a presumed same number with countrycode but never two numbers with countrycode to another with countrycode | 14:27 |
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| chem|st | breaks only if numbers in +XYZ use extensions the same as in +X or +XY | 14:28 |
| chem|st | but I think that would break on a higher level anyways | 14:29 |
| chem|st | as call routing would break for those numbers globally | 14:29 |
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| chem|st | there is your challenge | 14:30 |
| tbr | there are btw very nice examples of numbers that start with what looks like an international prefix but are local numbers, either with or without prefix | 14:30 |
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| chem|st | leading double ZERO? | 14:31 |
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| tbr | I could probably find that too, yes | 14:32 |
| tbr | on the other side I know several phone networks that will report an incoming call with the international prefix (sometimes) but no indication like 00 or + | 14:32 |
| chem|st | you need to take into account exit, trunk and country codes | 14:33 |
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| tbr | TBH I find it moot to dwell further on this topic. | 14:33 |
| chem|st | tbr: ok the system is broken on a higher level... we can agree on that | 14:34 |
| tbr | I'm not going to say you can't come up with a better matching, but I'm for sure saying it will break in more interesting ways | 14:35 |
| chem|st | for sure | 14:35 |
| tbr | and yes, there is no discussion about number signalling being a horrible mess | 14:35 |
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| tbr | btw: what should not happen is: if both numbers in the initial problem are in the phone book, that it will identify the contact, at all | 14:37 |
| tbr | if you have conflicting local identifiers you resolve that by NOT looking up the number | 14:37 |
| tbr | s/looking/resolving/ | 14:37 |
| kimmoli | should change phonenumbers to hex, something like ipv6 address, get rid of countrycodes etc. | 14:41 |
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| tbr | kimmoli: look at ENUM and E.164 :) | 14:42 |
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| chem|st | kimmoli: make it URLs not numbers... telephone numbers should be like domains and domain hosting, noone is interested in probably changing phonenumbers | 14:59 |
| phlixi | isnt tel://+49123456789 an URL? | 15:00 |
| phlixi | or tel:+49123456789 ...not sure | 15:00 |
| kimmoli | i would prefer email-address style | 15:01 |
| phlixi | of course :-) | 15:01 |
| phlixi | then 49123456789@t-mobile | 15:01 |
| phlixi | :-P | 15:01 |
| phlixi | (i know you meant something different^^) | 15:02 |
| kimmoli | or register whatever free... | 15:02 |
| chem|st | kimmoli: that is again bound to something but yeah | 15:02 |
| Joonaa | I'm using my Android tablet as a hotspot, and if I move away from it or reboot my phone, I'm unable to connect to the hotspot again without restarting it on Android side | 15:03 |
| Joonaa | android or jolla issue? | 15:03 |
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| chem|st | sounds like the hotspot crashes, do you have another device to test it? | 15:04 |
| chem|st | Joonaa: and wfm on a tab2 7" 4.2.2 with two jolla's (last time I checked) | 15:05 |
| phlixi | no idea if this is related, but when i use my n7 as hotspot, i cant even connect, neither with n9 nor jolla (not tested other devices to connect... i know use the jolla hotspot, which works well for me all the time) | 15:05 |
| Joonaa | i sadly dont have other devices | 15:06 |
| chem|st | Joonaa: laptop? | 15:06 |
| Joonaa | nope | 15:06 |
| chem|st | what android is it? | 15:06 |
| Joonaa | 4.2.1 | 15:06 |
| chem|st | Joonaa: just so you know 4.x android wlan stack is broken/buggy/known_bs | 15:07 |
| Joonaa | damn it | 15:07 |
| chem|st | what device? | 15:07 |
| Joonaa | asus transformer tf300tl | 15:07 |
| chem|st | does it happen when you turn of wlan on jolla instead of rebooting it? | 15:08 |
| phlixi | ...or flightmode / no wlan for example | 15:08 |
| chem|st | phlixi: you are overdoing it | 15:09 |
| Joonaa | i have to restart the hotspot for it to work. if i turn off wlan on jolla it wont work | 15:09 |
| chem|st | so if you turn off wlan and turn it on again the android hotspot does not work again | 15:09 |
| Joonaa | yes | 15:10 |
| chem|st | that sounds like broken on android side | 15:10 |
| Joonaa | shame | 15:10 |
| Joonaa | i guess i should root it some time | 15:10 |
| chem|st | it might be caused by the jolla, check with a laptop to verify | 15:11 |
| Jare | kimmoli: sip addresses already are in the "email style"... with voice over lte we could probably move towards using them ;) | 15:11 |
| chem|st | but I had similar issues, disconnecting a device and it crashed | 15:11 |
| chem|st | Jare: my sip-provider blocks calls on #@provid.er | 15:14 |
| chem|st | Jare: for known reasons | 15:15 |
| Jare | and some sip providers have their own whitelisted buddies etc | 15:17 |
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| louisdk | thp, somebody mentioned earlier that I should ask you about this. I have a few apks on my Jolla which will not install. When trying to install trough the GUI nothings happens. If I try to install over SSH I get this output and nothing installed: http://pastebin.com/EKJ1t168 - How can I debug this? | 19:27 |
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| Sail0r | hm freenode was hacked | 19:47 |
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| friese | it was? | 19:48 |
| Sail0r | https://blog.freenode.net/2014/09/server-issues-2/ | 19:48 |
| Sail0r | they recommend changing passwords asap | 19:48 |
| stephg | yeah there was a global notice this morning | 19:48 |
| stephg | this afternoon sorry | 19:49 |
| Sail0r | didn't get one | 19:49 |
| Sail0r | only saw it on golem.de ^^ | 19:49 |
| friese | humm | 19:49 |
| friese | i've got an global notice regarding how to change your password, but not the actual announcement | 19:50 |
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| stephg | 15:33 -tomaw(tom@freenode/staff/tomaw)- [Global Notice] Earlier today the freenode infra team noticed an anomaly on a single IRC server. We have identified that this was indicative of the server being compromised by an unknown third party. We immediately started an investigation to map the extent of the problem and located similar issues with several other | 19:51 |
| Sail0r | I wonder what happend | 19:52 |
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| r0kk3rz | everyones getting hacked, news at 11 | 19:57 |
| tbr | will be interesting to see what they find | 19:57 |
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| r0kk3rz | i wouldnt have thought you hack an irc server for information | 19:59 |
| r0kk3rz | you'd hack it to be a CNC server for a botnet | 20:00 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | hi guys | 20:08 |
| stephg | hey | 20:10 |
| dr_gogeta86 | hi stephg | 20:10 |
| dr_gogeta86 | call me jolla bitch | 20:11 |
| dr_gogeta86 | but more time i use more i love the phone | 20:11 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i hope in december firmware update | 20:11 |
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| stephg | well you're in the right place :) | 20:14 |
| stephg | but december, I want to have 3 updates by then ;) | 20:14 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | if i'm not wrong | 20:20 |
| dr_gogeta86 | in april stezz said a big update in fall | 20:20 |
| dr_gogeta86 | after 5.2 migration | 20:20 |
| stephg | oh, really? (can't remember that far back) | 20:22 |
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| louisdk | If I backup my Jolla using the build-in backup tool save the backup, reset my device what will I then have missed? I guess installed apps, ambiences. What more? I guess that documents and files saved in eg $HOME will be lost too. | 20:46 |
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