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| iamtew | good morning :-) | 07:42 |
| Stskeeps | good morn | 07:43 |
| * stephg waves | 07:45 | |
| Stskeeps | morn stephg | 07:45 |
| stephg | hey hey how's things | 07:46 |
| Stskeeps | they're good... | 07:46 |
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| stephg | this is what I like to hear :) | 07:47 |
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| iamtew | yeah, wednesday, middle of the week | 07:49 |
| tbr | quick question as I don't have a windows machine: is windows capable to control media playback on the Jolla over MTP? | 07:50 |
| Stskeeps | er | 07:50 |
| Stskeeps | MTP does that too? | 07:50 |
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| tbr | yes | 07:50 |
| tbr | just read a presentation about MTP by the skilled Linus Walleij and he mentioned it | 07:51 |
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| iamtew | I think you just need a media player software that does MTP, right? | 07:51 |
| tbr | although he says only two known devices: Trekstor Vibez and Nokia 808 | 07:51 |
| tbr | was wondering if by chance the jolla implemented that too | 07:52 |
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| Stskeeps | i have doubts | 07:52 |
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| iamtew | I'm using Clementine, but I can not control playing of music on my device, only do organizing and copying files to/from it | 07:53 |
| tbr | iamtew: likely a windows only feature. | 07:55 |
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| iamtew | oh okay | 07:56 |
| tbr | Stskeeps / Aard - you might enjoy the presentation linked from the comments: https://plus.google.com/u/0/105007947798310229700/posts/P65JRhJhKHn | 07:57 |
| * Stskeeps ponders how MTP and 'enjoy' fits together.. ;p | 07:57 | |
| iamtew | I do have Windows 7 on a virtual machine here I could try | 07:57 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah, will read | 07:57 |
| tbr | iamtew: until someone reverse-engineers it and implements it for linux ofc | 07:57 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: it's like watching a train wreck ;) | 07:58 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, true | 07:58 |
| iamtew | *sigh* what's the deal with MTP anyway? | 07:58 |
| iamtew | I remember a time where mp3 players and other devices just showed up as storage | 07:58 |
| Stskeeps | USB mass storage is a nightmare for app developers and OS developers alike | 07:58 |
| iamtew | and you could do however you wanted with it | 07:58 |
| Stskeeps | simple as that | 07:58 |
| tbr | let us NOT go anywhere near the USB-MAS discussion! | 07:58 |
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| tbr | MTP solves important issues in that regard, sadly the microsoft heritage shows in it | 07:59 |
| iamtew | Microsoft is getting better with some of their new things, more open source etc. etc. | 08:00 |
| iamtew | I just wish they would re-visit their older implementations like this | 08:00 |
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| tbr | MS never changes legacy things. They either add complexity to work around or go from scratch | 08:02 |
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| iamtew | true, there's not enough money in it to refactor legacy for them I guess | 08:03 |
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| kimmoli | https://together.jolla.com/question/50/why-its-not-possible-to-use-usb-otg/#comment-54551 | 08:04 |
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| kimmoli | is the scare of google really preventing people from searching internet? | 08:05 |
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| iamtew | a bit, but also people don't know what they're searching for and getting stuck in the noise? :) | 08:06 |
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| tbr | "people suck" | 08:07 |
| * kimmoli sucks | 08:07 | |
| kimmoli | coffee | 08:07 |
| * tbr sucks too | 08:07 | |
| tbr | bits and bytes through data links | 08:08 |
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| iamtew | anyway, I have a completly unrelated question: I got a sdcard, but it came with exFAT, can I just mkfs.btrfs it from the phone and then it should auto-mount? | 08:10 |
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| iamtew | I don't have the adapter thing to put it in my laptop so I would need to do it from the handset.. | 08:10 |
| tbr | don't remember which FSs get automounted | 08:11 |
| tbr | but if there is mkfs on the device it will ofc work to format it | 08:11 |
| iamtew | yeah.. | 08:11 |
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| iamtew | well I just want to use it for media mainly, music and photos you know | 08:11 |
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| meklu | well, I went ahead and installed some exfat packages instead | 08:12 |
| meklu | it auto-mounts just fineā¢ | 08:12 |
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| iamtew | okay | 08:13 |
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| meklu | had to pick them up from some unofficial source though | 08:13 |
| tbr | yeah, there is no "clean" exfat implementation IIRC, just the leaked samsung thing | 08:13 |
| iamtew | well I'm googling around a bit and it seems ext4 and btrfs will be auto-mounted somewhere | 08:13 |
| iamtew | I think I will just start with that | 08:14 |
| meklu | is the fuse implementation 'dirty'? :) | 08:14 |
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| stephg | iamtew: both are automounted yeah | 08:15 |
| stephg | /media/sdcard/${uuid|fat serial} | 08:15 |
| iamtew | rebooting the phone now, let's see where it shows up | 08:16 |
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| iamtew | /dev/mmcblk1p1 59G 92K 57G 1% /media/sdcard/bb909272-1390-4f01-8a51-02f420cc2730 | 08:17 |
| iamtew | nice | 08:17 |
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| Wnt | tbr: the originally leaked samsung exFAT code was formally open sourced by samsung after the leak: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTQzODQ | 08:33 |
| tbr | oh, ok | 08:34 |
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| tbr | given it's a patent mine field by MSFT it's still not going to be very popular | 08:34 |
| Stskeepz | might be oss but not necesarily royalty free.. | 08:34 |
| tbr | exactly | 08:35 |
| Wnt | yep | 08:35 |
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| HtheB | does anyone has ever had a problem with the screen of the Jolla phone? | 09:21 |
| HtheB | lately, i have a yellowish tint on my screen... | 09:22 |
| HtheB | :( | 09:22 |
| Stskeepz | contact care? | 09:22 |
| HtheB | just wanted to know what was wrong or if it's a known problem before contacting them :) | 09:23 |
| AL13N_work | never seen that before... | 09:24 |
| Stskeepz | if you think there's a problem, good idea to contact care.. | 09:24 |
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| AL13N_work | Stskeepz: given that review of the colors of Jolla (that i've seen before), is there some kind of tool to check this? or is this by visual confirmation? wdyt? | 09:25 |
| Stskeepz | .. that i have no idea about | 09:26 |
| AL13N_work | k | 09:26 |
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| AL13N_work | btw: http://www.solarham.net/geo.txt | 09:26 |
| AL13N_work | the sun is an easy blame :-) ; he can't defend himself | 09:26 |
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| HtheB | AL13N_work: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1436943 | 09:34 |
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| TMavica | coderus: here? | 09:57 |
| SK_work | TMavica: he is on #sailfishos :) | 09:58 |
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| coderus | i'm everywhere | 10:04 |
| coderus | just been afk | 10:04 |
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| TMavica | where mitakuuluu db located? | 10:05 |
| coderus | /home/nemo/.local/share/harbour-mitakuuluu2/harbour-mitakuuluu2/database.db | 10:05 |
| TMavica | also found the unread msg count is not reli, dont know is db problem or not | 10:06 |
| coderus | yes it's come from db sure | 10:09 |
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| TMavica | coderus: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/37229054/database.db | 10:11 |
| coderus | lol | 10:11 |
| coderus | downloaded erase it immediately from dropbox :D | 10:11 |
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| coderus | TMavica: problem with one contact only? | 10:12 |
| coderus | and it's the most used group with many messages per second? | 10:14 |
| TMavica | no | 10:14 |
| TMavica | group | 10:14 |
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| TMavica | group, most happened | 10:14 |
| coderus | sure, i mean it's the only one conversation with problem? | 10:15 |
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| TMavica | from now yes, only for group chat | 10:15 |
| TMavica | private, still havent found problem | 10:15 |
| TMavica | but i heard someone have problem with private too | 10:15 |
| TMavica | but i cant reproduce it | 10:15 |
| coderus | seems it happened with most osed conversation | 10:17 |
| TMavica | what is osed? | 10:18 |
| coderus | i see some dupilcates in database | 10:19 |
| coderus | it's weird :( | 10:19 |
| coderus | i should check database logics | 10:19 |
| coderus | Adam, ēØjolla browser ēļ¼é½äæęęÆä¾åé” | 10:19 |
| coderus | was repeated 7 times | 10:20 |
| coderus | and many messages too : | 10:20 |
| coderus | :( | 10:20 |
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| TMavica | ... | 10:21 |
| TMavica | the unread count is the reli because of this i think...right? | 10:22 |
| TMavica | but they cant be show out in conversation | 10:22 |
| coderus | yup | 10:22 |
| coderus | did you rebooted after that? if no - send me logfile also please | 10:22 |
| TMavica | havent reboot | 10:23 |
| coderus | cool | 10:23 |
| TMavica | just quit and send u db | 10:23 |
| coderus | waiting for logs | 10:23 |
| TMavica | ok | 10:23 |
| TMavica | wait | 10:23 |
| coderus | can check and compare with database entries :) | 10:23 |
| coderus | i'm not using whatsapp frequently at moment nad nave no any issues and can't reproduce it myself | 10:24 |
| coderus | just 2-5 messages in week :) | 10:24 |
| TMavica | i know.. | 10:24 |
| TMavica | i am 24 hours online man | 10:25 |
| TMavica | sent | 10:25 |
| coderus | lol, log starts at 18:24:28 :D | 10:25 |
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| coderus | i can't check it :( | 10:27 |
| TMavica | gods.. | 10:27 |
| TMavica | i need restart it to send u .. | 10:28 |
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| coderus | no | 10:29 |
| coderus | you need reproduce it withour restart | 10:29 |
| coderus | and send me log with database | 10:29 |
| TMavica | damn.. | 10:29 |
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| coderus | TMavica: maybe it's happened because application reconnected many times while receiving message? | 10:40 |
| TMavica | shouldnt be i think. it should keep online | 10:41 |
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| coderus | ok, waiting for fresh log with problem reproduced and new database | 10:45 |
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| TMavica | u want me del the db and start with fresh..? | 10:46 |
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| coderus | not necessary to delete db | 10:53 |
| coderus | but you can do that if want to se proper unread count | 10:53 |
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| coderus | TMavica: tell your friends they should report about problems too :) | 11:00 |
| TMavica | they are stupid | 11:00 |
| TMavica | cant do it | 11:01 |
| TMavica | too newbie | 11:01 |
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| AL13N_work | lol | 11:05 |
| Dicee | :D | 11:05 |
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| AL13N_work | reporting problems is a skill my 4y old daughter has, and she can't even read/write yet | 11:07 |
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| coderus | TMavica: ok i have implemented stupid check if message already in database, didn't found yet why it's happening, can tell more after getting logs | 11:07 |
| TMavica | they even dont know what is log | 11:08 |
| TMavica | LOL | 11:08 |
| meklu | nuke it from orbit | 11:09 |
| meklu | it's the only way to be sure | 11:09 |
| AL13N_work | do they speak english? | 11:09 |
| AL13N_work | can they actually think for themselves? | 11:09 |
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| TMavica | they sure know english | 11:10 |
| TMavica | just tell me in group chat, then without reporting to author | 11:10 |
| TMavica | and said dont know to do.. | 11:10 |
| AL13N_work | ic | 11:11 |
| TMavica | they just a normal user.. | 11:11 |
| AL13N_work | in essense reporting problems is like complaining... anyone can do it, and tracking down the author shouldn't be too hard either, these days? | 11:11 |
| AL13N_work | i donno | 11:11 |
| AL13N_work | maybe i'm expecting too much | 11:12 |
| meklu | making the effort to contact the author is probably the most pressing issue | 11:12 |
| meklu | I've been pretty lazy in that regard myself: I find something that's off and complain about it on IRC | 11:13 |
| meklu | sometimes I report it straight away | 11:13 |
| meklu | sometimes I'll wait a few months and remember that I should report the thing | 11:13 |
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| coderus | Also i added line "Messages with this line will be deleted without checking." to logs email body :D | 11:14 |
| coderus | tired blind-checkipng logs without proper description | 11:14 |
| coderus | now i can just remove it :D | 11:15 |
| coderus | will setup my spam filter :) | 11:15 |
| tbr | someone done connman debugging here? the logs I get after installing the logging/tracing packages look useless. | 11:15 |
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| meklu | connman... | 11:18 |
| meklu | troubleshooting why it sometimes won't work on a desktop is a pain too | 11:19 |
| meklu | so, well, my answer is no | 11:19 |
| tbr | It fails consistently on my home wifi networks. I suspect it's related to IPv6. | 11:19 |
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| meklu | I haven't had too many issues on an IPv4 / WPA2 wifi | 11:21 |
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| Nicd- | hmm... jolla might have just protected me from a telemarketer | 12:29 |
| Nicd- | "I'm just calling because you have our service X and..." and then just silence | 12:29 |
| Nicd- | or maybe they just wanted to tell me that I have their service :) | 12:29 |
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| ruskie | lol | 12:32 |
| Stskeepz | Nicd-: hidden features | 12:32 |
| ruskie | can't say I've been having any issues... | 12:33 |
| Nicd- | Stskeepz: that's what I suspected | 12:33 |
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| ruskie | I'm prob lucky that I'm on some telemarketer's global blacklist | 12:48 |
| ruskie | cause I will waset their time if they call me | 12:48 |
| ruskie | waste | 12:48 |
| AL13N_work | Nicd-: you should've done that telemarker thing | 12:50 |
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| AL13N_work | you know: "Hello, this is IT department, we intercepted your call, because something is wrong with your phone" | 12:51 |
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| AL13N_work | "please press 2 4 6 & 8 at the same time" | 12:51 |
| AL13N_work | "hmm, nothing happend, you must still have the old phone system, what phone type do you have?" | 12:51 |
| AL13N_work | "looking up phone details for factory reset sequence" | 12:51 |
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| tbr | ooooold | 12:51 |
| AL13N_work | i couldn't find the link | 12:52 |
| AL13N_work | but still, Nicd-: should've done that | 12:52 |
| Nicd- | I don't want to be mean to them | 12:52 |
| AL13N_work | i did a "Hello? Hello? Hello?" *click* | 12:52 |
| AL13N_work | a few weeks ago | 12:52 |
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| Nicd- | I don't want to add to their pressure. I know most of them hate their job anyway | 12:54 |
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| eyea_UK_ | Jolla )0!1@ joy | 14:36 |
| eyea_UK_ | all good | 14:36 |
| entil | I slapped paper under my toh to keep the device from rebooting and now it started rebooting again | 14:37 |
| entil | this is what you get when not taking it to care ;P | 14:37 |
| kimmoli | paper goes between battery bottom edge and phone | 14:37 |
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| kimmoli | like this here > https://twitter.com/unpixels/status/476770705196187650 | 14:39 |
| entil | I kinda figured that out just now :D when I opened the device and the battery slid a millimeter | 14:39 |
| entil | it would appear having a piece of paper under the toh is frictive enough for most cases | 14:39 |
| kimmoli | in all my 3 devices, the battery sits there really tight. not moving anywhere | 14:39 |
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| entil | as I've stated, worked perfectly for the longest time | 14:40 |
| ShadowJK_ | jesus christ | 14:41 |
| ShadowJK_ | how do I ignore calls | 14:41 |
| Niuran | i suffered reboots with the past OS version,but with the last one, no reboots by the moment | 14:41 |
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| ShadowJK_ | .. just sent around 2000 chars of random text-completed garbage sms to some stranger whhile jolla was in pocket | 14:42 |
| Niuran | maybe reboots have different reasons | 14:42 |
| entil | I was going on how I've had so few reboots I couldn't care less, then all shit broke loose and I put paper in there, obviously in the wrong place, which helped for a longish time | 14:42 |
| entil | but it was funny seeing the battery actually slide a bit | 14:42 |
| Nicd- | entil: just take it to care... | 14:42 |
| entil | yes yes | 14:42 |
| entil | whenever I can be without the phone for a while I will | 14:42 |
| * entil is a stubborn fscker | 14:43 | |
| kimmoli | drop it to optima, youll get it next day | 14:43 |
| ShadowJK_ | oh wow, my sms history consists *only* of random garbage sent to random people :( | 14:43 |
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| Niuran | i can imagine the receptor of the sms, thinking is an encrypted message from who knows | 14:44 |
| ShadowJK_ | yeah, several of them are in style of "London lock lock lllllldkdjlllllllƶƤlskijhsaauewiqncvd" | 14:46 |
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| pp_ | if you mail it, prepare for a week | 14:46 |
| ShadowJK_ | Now, where is the proper "stfu" button when call arrives that I can't take? | 14:47 |
| Niuran | mmm,sounds creepy, poor receptor | 14:47 |
| kimmoli | pullup ? | 14:47 |
| ShadowJK_ | power button does nothing, screen stays on | 14:47 |
| ShadowJK_ | I've done swipe left swipe down swipe down | 14:47 |
| ShadowJK_ | but apparently that doesn't work... | 14:47 |
| kimmoli | run the tutorial... :) | 14:48 |
| Niuran | ignore calls? | 14:48 |
| Niuran | have you try with the volume buttons? | 14:48 |
| ShadowJK_ | there's pullup menu with ignore, but it doesn't enable powerbutton | 14:49 |
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| Niuran | i have a problem with line/telegram notification, now they have their own screen in homescreen no sound is played when new message arrives | 15:05 |
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| artemma | hmm, all music that I copied to music folder over ssh seems to be duplicated inside android_storage/Music ??? | 15:38 |
| artemma | Except for the audiobooks somehow | 15:38 |
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| coderus | ???? | 15:39 |
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| Shinryuu | ???? | 15:44 |
| Shinryuu | duplicated... | 15:44 |
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| AL13N_work | Shinryuu: oh man, we were increasing ?'s | 15:48 |
| coderus | TMavica: seems i found a bug ._. | 15:48 |
| Shinryuu | AL13N_work: wait, what | 15:48 |
| AL13N_work | artemma: has 3 ? | 15:49 |
| Shinryuu | AL13N_work: oh right! | 15:49 |
| AL13N_work | coderus: had 4 | 15:49 |
| AL13N_work | i had 5 | 15:49 |
| Shinryuu | damn | 15:49 |
| Shinryuu | I failed | 15:49 |
| artemma | AL13N_work ? | 15:49 |
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| coderus | artemma: ?? | 15:49 |
| artemma | AL13N mentioned something abt me | 15:49 |
| artemma | I don't know what it;s about | 15:49 |
| coderus | artemma: you folder is not symlink of course? | 15:50 |
| AL13N_work | nvm | 15:50 |
| coderus | and you sure it was duplicated by copying? | 15:50 |
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| artemma | coderus: at least I didn't symlink it myself | 15:50 |
| AL13N_work | coderus: ??? | 15:50 |
| artemma | I didn't copy it myself | 15:51 |
| artemma | maybe Android's spotify did? | 15:51 |
| AL13N_work | Shinryuu: your turn | 15:51 |
| artemma | No other android apps with music for me | 15:51 |
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| coderus | artemma: what app can do that i dont know | 15:53 |
| coderus | ybut nothing should do that imho | 15:53 |
| artemma | okay, funny | 15:53 |
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| artemma | BTW, abt different topic, I wasn't following Jolla things for a while: are there any news about app store economy? | 15:54 |
| artemma | Or are we still in the "one day, maybe we'll do something" phase? | 15:54 |
| coderus | economy? | 15:54 |
| coderus | what this word stands for? | 15:55 |
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| artemma | that's thing about money involvement :) | 15:56 |
| coderus | ... | 15:56 |
| coderus | you mean paid apps in harbour? :D | 15:56 |
| artemma | like paid apps, or money-involving app competition | 15:56 |
| artemma | or in-app purchases | 15:56 |
| coderus | no idea about harbout | 15:56 |
| artemma | or just throwing money at good 3rd party devs :) | 15:56 |
| coderus | but openrepos will launch paid apps support and protecting your apps against piracy soon :) | 15:56 |
| artemma | or match-making between ppl like coderus and companies who might like to have a jolla app too | 15:57 |
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| Morpog_PC | artemma, they told long ago paid app support will come earliest H2 2014 | 16:00 |
| artemma | Morpog_PC: and we are exactly in 2nd half, that's why maybe somebody knows about progress | 16:00 |
| artemma | apparently not yet | 16:00 |
| Morpog_PC | artemma, you missed community meeting | 16:01 |
| Morpog_PC | http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2014/mer-meeting.2014-08-19-15.04.html | 16:01 |
| Morpog_PC | Point 5 | 16:01 |
| * artemma really hopes it will not be just paid apps, but as it's the easiest and most natural for jolla to do, probably it will be just that | 16:01 | |
| artemma | oh, thx | 16:01 |
| artemma | reading.. | 16:01 |
| artemma | oh, well, sigh, it sounds like just paid apps for two days before Christmas, sorta like expected | 16:02 |
| Morpog_PC | lol :D | 16:02 |
| Morpog_PC | better than never | 16:03 |
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| * artemma is not excited about whole just-paid-apps thing | 16:03 | |
| Morpog_PC | most Jolla people were on vacations that day btw | 16:03 |
| artemma | not unless Jolla sales grow 50 times suddenly | 16:03 |
| SK_work | artemma: think that donations in FI is complicated | 16:04 |
| SK_work | even if donations is really good and nice to have | 16:04 |
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| Morpog_PC | you still can add a donation link inside your app | 16:04 |
| artemma | Jolla is probably the only mobile operating system company I know that decided not to do any app contests for attracting devs and apps while there are not many app buyers yet :) | 16:04 |
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| artemma | ah no, apple didn't have competition too - also an #unlike company :) | 16:05 |
| Morpog_PC | artemma, Jolla is by far also the smalles mobile operating system you know, I guess | 16:05 |
| Morpog_PC | company | 16:05 |
| artemma | true | 16:05 |
| artemma | also has the cheapest-to-attract devs ;) | 16:05 |
| artemma | though I didn't do any real calculations | 16:06 |
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| Morpog_PC | They can't pay developers to apps like MIcrosoft did | 16:06 |
| Morpog_PC | do | 16:06 |
| Morpog_PC | damn, I should stop typing today | 16:06 |
| * artemma is just somewhat afraid of mass-developer disappointment when, say, 1-5% of 50K Jolla users buys apps | 16:06 | |
| artemma | and thinking of alternative models | 16:06 |
| Morpog_PC | which mass developers? there are only about 100 :D | 16:07 |
| artemma | can't really invent anything more creative than contests or developer-customer match making | 16:07 |
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| artemma | if we are really generous in calculations and in Q4 there are 100K users, 5% of which will buy mitakuuluu for even $5 | 16:07 |
| artemma | that makes $25K | 16:08 |
| artemma | once | 16:08 |
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| artemma | for one super cool app | 16:08 |
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| artemma | and that is with us being real generous in assumptions | 16:08 |
| Morpog_PC | well, I donated already about 20 to 30$ for mitakuuluu (can't remember exactly) | 16:08 |
| artemma | well, maybe donations could indeed work better for jolla | 16:09 |
| Morpog_PC | and forget 100k users, 50k is more realistic | 16:09 |
| artemma | it is after all a platform marketing itself a lot as a free platform | 16:09 |
| tbr | you can always put a donation button in your app | 16:09 |
| tbr | be it paypal or something else that caters to your target audience | 16:09 |
| * tbr fails to see the point, other than convenience | 16:09 | |
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| artemma | tbr: if you put non-system donation button in your phone, you can right away decrease number of donators 5-50 times | 16:10 |
| artemma | it got to be platform-supported or will be scary and not integrated | 16:10 |
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| artemma | oh well, I've got my info - no new info yet :) | 16:11 |
| artemma | and the discussion is an old one, sorry about it | 16:11 |
| artemma | got to go now | 16:11 |
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| tbr | meh | 16:14 |
| tbr | that's a statement, an unsupported statement | 16:14 |
| tbr | you still get 100% more donations that without a button, mind you. | 16:14 |
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| tbr | s/that/than/ | 16:15 |
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| coderus | Mitakuuluu v0.8.3 update. LOG: https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/releases/tag/v0.8.3 DL: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/mitakuuluu | 18:15 |
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| vuvekkk | Welcome. I've got a question. Is it possible to change launcher on Jolla Phone? | 18:57 |
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| Morpog_PC | yes it is, but you are away already :D | 19:00 |
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