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| Sailor8855 | anybody know mce.ini？ | 05:29 |
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| sharpneli | Goddamn @ the poor touchscreen in browser | 05:37 |
| sharpneli | Press in one sp8t. It recognizes it 1cm higher | 05:37 |
| sharpneli | Been happening since last update | 05:37 |
| Stskeeps | raised the issue in the sailfish-browser tracker? | 05:39 |
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| Sailor8855 | anybody know mce.ini？ | 05:42 |
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| muppeth | Hey.guys just got my jolla \o/ small question.i installed reddit by brian from fdroid but cannot logon to my account.anyone has similar problems? | 05:43 |
| Sailor8855 | android app？ | 05:44 |
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| ninnnu | muppeth: Warehouse has Quickddit which is native. Doesn't have all features I wish it had, but it's good enough for random browsing. | 05:45 |
| sharpneli | Stskeeps: Not yet as I cannot reliably reproduce the issue | 05:47 |
| sharpneli | @ siggraph now. Awesome stuff | 05:47 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 05:47 |
| Stskeeps | isn't the arm-mali wayland demo there somewhere too? | 05:48 |
| sharpneli | Didn't see it if it was. Shame :/ | 05:48 |
| muppeth | Ninnnu: yeah have it too.think android version is much better and it is one of the few app i needed from droid.but if u cant login its useless. | 05:49 |
| sharpneli | http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm7V3Sh1KLE we demoed this at the Khronos event. | 05:50 |
| Stskeeps | http://community.arm.com/groups/arm-mali-graphics/blog/2014/08/12/arm-is-making-the-world-mobile | 05:50 |
| sharpneli | I really hope next jolla has es 3.1. It kicks ass! | 05:50 |
| sharpneli | Actually the current hw supports it in theory. | 05:51 |
| Stskeeps | looks like a nice demo :) | 05:51 |
| spiiroin | Sailor8855: I guess I at least should know mce.ini ... | 05:51 |
| muppeth | Ninnnu: hmmm.just checked quickreddit.and seems usable.as you said not many features but native look is a killer. | 05:52 |
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| sharpneli | I visited the arm booth but I missed the wayland | 05:52 |
| coderus | btw, what the status of Angry Birds TOH? Was it cancelled? | 05:52 |
| sharpneli | Probably too heavy of a hangover | 05:52 |
| * Stskeeps is just on holiday brain, hopefully back up to speed during next week | 05:53 | |
| coderus | Sailor8855: i know mce, lol :D | 05:53 |
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| sharpneli | Also a new cool thing is the glnext | 05:53 |
| coderus | and i think i asked your question before, but you didnt understood | 05:54 |
| sharpneli | Maybe 1 year from now we can enjoy it. | 05:54 |
| coderus | you cannot enter any execute action in mce rules | 05:54 |
| coderus | Sailor8855: you need to make an APP listening mce dbus signal and running your application | 05:54 |
| coderus | mce can't run your application itself ;) | 05:54 |
| sharpneli | I'm like mega excited about it. Mantle/metal like api but cross platform. | 05:55 |
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| sharpneli | Stskeeps: Is Jolla member of khronos yet? | 05:56 |
| Stskeeps | not sure, i don't think so atm | 05:56 |
| sharpneli | :/ | 05:57 |
| Stskeeps | that we ought to be is probably a different matter | 05:57 |
| sharpneli | In the future absolutely. | 05:57 |
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| sharpneli | The worst case is that apple has metal and google makes their own and we are all screwed | 05:58 |
| Stskeeps | wasn't there already those android extensions stuff? | 05:58 |
| sharpneli | It's just d2sktop gl stuff | 05:58 |
| sharpneli | Es3.1+ most of what desktop has. | 05:59 |
| Stskeeps | well feck, http://www.wired.com/2014/08/gyroscope-listening-hack/ | 05:59 |
| sharpneli | Mostly because nvidia tegra k1 is ogl 4.4 device. | 05:59 |
| Stskeeps | you can still do ogl and egl right? | 05:59 |
| Stskeeps | like non-es ogl | 05:59 |
| Sailor8855 | coderus: must be signal？i have the right command | 06:00 |
| sharpneli | Well androir extension pack is non-es gl basically. | 06:00 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 06:00 |
| sharpneli | Right now es3.1 is true subset of gl4.y | 06:00 |
| sharpneli | Sorry bout the typos. @hotel lobby bar with cellphone | 06:01 |
| Stskeeps | no worries | 06:01 |
| Sailor8855 | coderus: i sent it to your QQ | 06:01 |
| sharpneli | There is still a chance to keep things together | 06:03 |
| sharpneli | Nvidia is pushing the glnext really hard. So is valve and few mobile vendors. | 06:03 |
| sharpneli | The khronos beer psrty was really enlightening. | 06:04 |
| sharpneli | Regardless. The upcoming android L is gonna be es3.w minimum with desktop gl as optional in the extension pack | 06:05 |
| coderus | Sailor8855: i disabled my QQ account, sorry. Irc PM is okay? | 06:05 |
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| sharpneli | Stskeeps: Eventually Jolla has to become a member, as future of mobile graphics standards and compatibility are going to be essential for continuation of sailfish. | 06:10 |
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| Stskeeps | nod | 06:13 |
| meklu | of Khronos? | 06:13 |
| meklu | GL 4.5 looks pretty good with ARB_direct_state_access | 06:14 |
| meklu | the new named functions look especially nice :) | 06:14 |
| meklu | would be pretty cool to have that stuff on mobile as well | 06:15 |
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| sharpneli | meklu: I think mobile is gonna skip that. They just combined es and normal gl working groups for the next one | 06:20 |
| sharpneli | But that one is hopefully going to be awesome. No backwards compstibility tho. | 06:21 |
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| sharpneli | As soon as the spec is out a wayland port is must have. | 06:22 |
| sharpneli | 6 months maybe. 1 year in the worst case | 06:23 |
| Stskeeps | well, wayland relies mostly on egl i'd say | 06:23 |
| sharpneli | Nv is gonna have drivers from day most likely. | 06:23 |
| meklu | sharpneli: that extension alone would IMO be a really good thing | 06:24 |
| meklu | GL-ng, or whatever it'll be called, will probably be pretty damn cool | 06:24 |
| sharpneli | Stskeeps: Its a good thing then as egl does not change, hopefully. | 06:24 |
| Stskeeps | there's really not much there to change i'd guess | 06:24 |
| sharpneli | Xgl, glnext. Heard maybe 4 different names. | 06:25 |
| meklu | as long as it has a different soname, all will be well in the world | 06:26 |
| meklu | :) | 06:26 |
| sharpneli | Yup | 06:26 |
| meklu | some sort of unified context management thing would be nice to have | 06:26 |
| meklu | instead of the GLX/WGL/CGL/EGL mess nowadays | 06:26 |
| meklu | probably either EGL or something new | 06:26 |
| Stskeeps | they should just ditch GLX and such and go for EGL .. | 06:27 |
| sharpneli | Probably not going to happen. It's the smallest problem in anycase | 06:27 |
| sharpneli | But yeah. Egl everywhere would be nice | 06:27 |
| sharpneli | As an interesting sidenote, microsoft is khronos member now | 06:28 |
| Stskeeps | for webgl ,yeah | 06:28 |
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| sharpneli | It's full membership in anycase. You cannot pick and choose. | 06:29 |
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| meklu | well, they lost mobile | 06:29 |
| meklu | and they lost the web | 06:29 |
| pp_ | I'd guess they want cheap "android" hardware for wp too, so makes sense to require compatible stuff for ogl | 06:30 |
| sharpneli | idd | 06:30 |
| meklu | it's not that surprising that they're now khronos members | 06:30 |
| sharpneli | The best part about khronos membership: access to the proposals. | 06:32 |
| sharpneli | The only thing I can say is fuck yeah. It was about time. | 06:33 |
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| Stskeeps | sharpneli: back to helsinki during next week / beginning of week after? | 06:34 |
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| sharpneli | Tomorrow actually. | 06:36 |
| Stskeeps | ah, up for a beer sometime during the week? i'm there for 10 days for once | 06:36 |
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| sharpneli | Awesome. I was kinda hoping you'd come to Finland again. @Amsterdam pub in Ruoholahti? | 06:39 |
| Stskeeps | yeah probably :) | 06:39 |
| Stskeeps | i'll be in touch on monday probably to plan further, don't 100% know my agenda yet | 06:40 |
| sharpneli | Sure. I'm just going to be jetlagged so I have no agenda. Best part of weeks after a trip. | 06:41 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 06:41 |
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| entil | sharpneli: make it so I'll walk past by accident and grab a beer with you, now that I'm in Ruoholahti as well ;) | 06:44 |
| entil | sharpneli: can't probably re-live the old nokia days wrt amsterdam being a home away from home but it would be nice to grab a pint sometime | 06:45 |
| Stskeeps | nod, perhaps we'll group some people, let's see how things pan out | 06:45 |
| entil | that'd be nice too, but I haven't seen sharpneli in ages, though we go way back | 06:46 |
| entil | further back than nokia | 06:46 |
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| sharpneli | As long as the modus operandi is Jolla and beer it's all good. | 06:49 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 06:49 |
| entil | hehe | 06:49 |
| sharpneli | Stskeeps: Anything new cool up with Jolla an/or sailfish tech wise? | 06:52 |
| Stskeeps | well, i arrived back from holidays on tuesday so i wouldn't know ;p | 06:53 |
| Stskeeps | but the n4/n5 ports look quite nice | 06:53 |
| entil | is sailfish ported for any tablet that knows external screens? and does that work? | 06:54 |
| entil | dunno if there's any relevant software really, but for example wanting to run sailfish but having to hold a presentation | 06:54 |
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| Stskeeps | slimport should work on n4 at least | 06:54 |
| sharpneli | Holidays. Relaxing but by the dark gods do they make one forget | 06:55 |
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| entil | sweet @ slimport | 06:55 |
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| entil | this isn't as relevant with the new job I got, but previously I had to carry the laptop with me for exactly that purpose, which is overkill, because a tablet would suffice | 06:56 |
| entil | and I'm not a huge fan of laptops generally | 06:56 |
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| muppeth | question about power consumption. It seems to be draining quite fast. I started using phone this morning (7:30). just some browsing, email on 3G, three phone calls and by now I'm at 60%. is that to be expected? i red about the bug but I'm not sure if it waqs solved already or not. any hints? | 08:21 |
| Venemo_ | muppeth: have you updated to the latest software version? | 08:22 |
| Stskeeps | did you at any point since startup use wifi ap? | 08:22 |
| tbr | there is no "the" bug. power consumption is so diverse... | 08:22 |
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| muppeth | Venemo_: yes i did update | 08:28 |
| muppeth | Stskeeps: now i am using wifi | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | no no | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | wifi sharing/internet access point | 08:29 |
| muppeth | tbr: i'm aware of it, but i also red on the net about some bug regarding battery drainage either by android support or nfc chip | 08:29 |
| muppeth | Stskeeps: nope. then not | 08:29 |
| Nightmare__ | do you use mitäkuuluu? sometiems its buggy and uses 50% cpu | 08:30 |
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| tbr | muppeth: nobody here will know that though from saying "the bug". that's my point. even now your statement doesn't point to any specific recent issue. | 08:30 |
| tbr | power consumption needs individual analysis every time | 08:31 |
| Venemo_ | interesting | 08:31 |
| Venemo_ | for me, the jolla can stay alive for 2 days with mild use | 08:31 |
| Venemo_ | and even longer if I don't use thee internet at all | 08:32 |
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| muppeth | tbr: i understand what you mean (dont get upset) just thought thsat maybe there is a known thing. i have my phone since yesterday so i still didnt figure out stuff (only now i got to the console etc). sorry if it made you egdy | 08:34 |
| tbr | muppeth: I'm not upset. I just want you to understand that if we want to help you we will need much more information and your cooperation. | 08:36 |
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| muppeth | tbr: sure. but i didnt ask for help. it was general question to see if that's normal (battery lasts around a day) or there is some well known issues. | 08:37 |
| muppeth | tbr: i will investigate it over the weekend and if i have a problem i can assure you i will provide enough info | 08:38 |
| * muppeth is sorry if he was misunderstood. happens to him very often :P | 08:38 | |
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| tbr | I don't think there are currently any big known platform power drain bugs | 08:43 |
| tbr | also the ap-mode issue seems to mostly have gone away | 08:44 |
| Stskeeps | ap-mode is still there, i think | 08:44 |
| meklu | I've found that you sometimes need to flip the wi-fi switch back and forth to find any APs | 08:44 |
| meklu | is that something about the chip going into AP-mode on its own? | 08:45 |
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| coderus | ninnnu: it can eat 200% also :) | 08:56 |
| Nicd- | coderus: I think you meant to highlight Nightmare, who's not here anymore | 08:59 |
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| Nicd- | http://phys.org/news/2014-08-mobile-alive-music-nanogenerators.html | 10:02 |
| Nicd- | charge your phone by shouting at it! | 10:02 |
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| meklu | that's pretty cool | 10:04 |
| meklu | "Nokia Lumina 925" | 10:05 |
| meklu | proof-reading is not a thing apparently | 10:05 |
| entil | nokia ilerminaty | 10:07 |
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| coderus | Nicd-: probably, sorry | 10:44 |
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| Wnt | veskuh: Has the "touch position" problem been fixed in the sailfish-browser's github master branch already? https://together.jolla.com/question/9253/bug-browser-touch-position-link-problems/ | 11:14 |
| veskuh | Wnt, with master branch and xulrunner 31 it happens way less. Not sure if it is gone completely. | 11:14 |
| Wnt | veskuh: cool. Do you have any binaries available I could try? | 11:15 |
| Wnt | or do I need to build it myself? | 11:15 |
| Wnt | oh there is even a "find in page" feature coming up? | 11:16 |
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| veskuh | New xulrunner should be available in public OBS also, browser UI probably not. | 11:17 |
| veskuh | Wnt, yeah find in page will be in the UI refresh we are working on. | 11:17 |
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| Wnt | veskuh: that's good news! | 11:18 |
| meklu | hmm, any location bar fixes? :) | 11:18 |
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| meklu | I think autofill should be disabled when it's focused | 11:19 |
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| vispi | Hei pojat ja tytöt, mikä avuksi kun SSH lakannu vastaamasta, räpelletty guista kehitystilaa päälle ja pois, samoin etäyhteys. Noiden välissä bootattukin. Ps-listaus ei näytä sshd:ta eikä netstat. Tilanne sama wlan:lla, usb:lla ja lokaalisti ssh:lla | 12:01 |
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| vispi | togetherissa tarjottu korjaukseksi noiden täppien räpeltämistä ja joillain toiminut, täällä ei. tehny tuota pari kertaa, välillä maagisesti toiminut ja sitten taas kenkkuilee | 12:02 |
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| Stskeeps | err.. try english? | 12:04 |
| Mirv | he says that SSH does not get enabled, tried reboot + enabling/disabling dev mode | 12:05 |
| vispi | oh i'm sorry, too hasty with it | 12:05 |
| vispi | ^this | 12:05 |
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| meklu | #jollasuomi has Finns in it | 12:05 |
| Mirv | no idea though about the problem | 12:06 |
| meklu | well, systemctl (re)start sshd.service? | 12:06 |
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| meklu | I've had some issues with it myself, where it's been really damn slow to respond | 12:06 |
| vispi | meklu: ran the command, no errors, still doesn't work | 12:07 |
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| vispi | i'm clueless how to proceed | 12:07 |
| meklu | huh | 12:07 |
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| Stskeeps | ssh -l nemo localhost | 12:08 |
| meklu | journalctl -xb # should have some info | 12:08 |
| vispi | Stskeeps: huh, now it responds @localhost | 12:08 |
| meklu | vispi: systemctl starts the service in the background silently | 12:09 |
| vispi | meklu: figured that | 12:09 |
| meklu | wonder if the unit file's disabled... | 12:09 |
| vispi | still no joy via wlan though | 12:09 |
| meklu | systemctl enable sshd.service would enable it | 12:09 |
| meklu | try a bigger timeout? | 12:09 |
| meklu | something like this I think: -o ConnectTimeout=60 | 12:10 |
| vispi | tried 1 minute but says connection refused | 12:10 |
| meklu | ah, weird | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | vispi: device seperation on wlan? | 12:11 |
| vispi | yes, weird | 12:11 |
| vispi | Stskeeps: sorry? | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | ssh -l nemo your.wlan.ip.on.jolla | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | on jolla device | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | what that does? | 12:11 |
| vispi | yes it responds | 12:12 |
| vispi | refuses connections from other computers on the network | 12:12 |
| vispi | tried detaching from wlan as well, turned wifi off alltogether and then on again, no joy | 12:14 |
| meklu | are they in the same /24? | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | ssu ar mer-tools ; pkcon refresh ; pkcon install tcpdump | 12:15 |
| vispi | yeah, same network, responds to ping | 12:15 |
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| vispi | Stskeeps: what's that | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | tcpdump as root on the interface, do the packets make it to your device? | 12:16 |
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| vispi | how does that work | 12:19 |
| vispi | haven't played with these tools for a while | 12:19 |
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| Stskeeps | devel-su and then tcpdump -n -i wlan0 | 12:20 |
| clau | I see snow white ambience just got an update. | 12:20 |
| clau | and now it's nearly impossible to read the clock. :\ | 12:21 |
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| vispi | packets incoming | 12:21 |
| vispi | can i filter this output live somehow | 12:23 |
| vispi | there's a lot of traffic | 12:23 |
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| Nicd- | with grep? | 12:24 |
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| vispi | i'm baffled, but at least it works via usb now | 12:31 |
| vispi | thanks for your time | 12:32 |
| clau | tcpdump can filter | 12:35 |
| clau | what do you need to keep showing? | 12:35 |
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| Teme | hi vispi, happy to see you got it resolved :) | 12:58 |
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| Dima^ | Anyone want to buy n900 ? | 14:17 |
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| iamtew | how much? | 14:23 |
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| iamtew | annoying.. when I'm updating contacts in my gmail, the changes doesn't show up in the address book on my jolla :( | 15:12 |
| iamtew | even if I do a manual sync | 15:12 |
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| sledges | ^ lol starting typing nick and in wrong channel | 15:18 |
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| keithzg | Hmm, what's the command to force tracker to refresh again? Or is there a better way to get it to re-realize that the sdcard contains music? Annoying how it forgets every reboot lately. | 15:31 |
| keithzg | ah, right, tracker-control -es | 15:31 |
| keithzg | ...damn, that doesn't seem to have done the trick this time, every track is just listed by filename in Unknown Album :( | 15:33 |
| keithzg | ...or I could just be patient and it sorts it all out, heh. Sheesh, me! | 15:34 |
| Yaniel | or just kick tracker again | 15:34 |
| Yaniel | it likes to segfault | 15:34 |
| keithzg | Weird that I have to force a soft reset after every reboot to get the Media app to show my music again. Guess it's probably segfaulting somewhere before that I guess, heh. | 15:35 |
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| Yaniel | it segfaults a lot for me | 15:38 |
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| floua | omg such a big # | 15:43 |
| floua | ja weeezes moi | 15:44 |
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| Sail0r | how many files do you have Yaniel? | 16:25 |
| Sail0r | mine never segfaulted | 16:25 |
| Yaniel | umm lemme check | 16:25 |
| Yaniel | around 900 | 16:25 |
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| Yaniel | mostly flacs | 16:26 |
| Sail0r | ok I only have 150 ^^ | 16:27 |
| Sail0r | maybe it's a memory problem | 16:27 |
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| Yaniel | possible ^^ | 16:31 |
| Yaniel | and it doesn't find covers for some reason | 16:31 |
| Yaniel | every folder has a folder.jpg or cover.jpg but none show up | 16:32 |
| Yaniel | oh actually they do show up for a couple of folders | 16:32 |
| Yaniel | ...which contain mp3s | 16:32 |
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| pdanek1 | Urgent question please. | 16:49 |
| pdanek1 | YTplayer app for Jolla. | 16:49 |
| pdanek1 | in what quality does it run videos? | 16:49 |
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| pdanek1 | I have very limited data plan at the moment | 16:49 |
| pdanek1 | and I need to run them in lowest quality | 16:50 |
| pdanek1 | but the app just doesn't show at all :O :O | 16:50 |
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| pdanek1 | I can't find that info anywhere, I'm desparate. :D | 16:57 |
| pdanek1 | I'm surprised why such thing isn't the 1st facepalm missing feature for everyone. :D | 16:57 |
| kor | pdanek1: maybe use android youtube? | 16:58 |
| pdanek1 | kor: I would gladly use native app, if I know the quality | 16:58 |
| pdanek1 | but if I don't get answer, I will download android one, thanks | 16:58 |
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| Sail0r | llvplayer maybe? | 16:59 |
| kor | alternatively get the youtube downloader perl script and use that to watch videos | 16:59 |
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| pdanek1 | Sail0r: how do you check or set video quality in llvplayer? same thing | 17:01 |
| pdanek1 | Jolla is done for markets like kazachstan, so app devs may look for features needed in countries with limited data plans :) | 17:02 |
| pdanek1 | look outside of the box | 17:02 |
| pdanek1 | :) | 17:02 |
| pdanek1 | or for example the Jolla store, I have no idea why it doesn't show size of an app :) | 17:02 |
| pdanek1 | if I install it via commandline, I could see it, so for sure it can't be hard to implement | 17:03 |
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| pdanek1 | kor: android YT works fine! thx | 17:06 |
| pdanek1 | I guess native apps have long run to go :) | 17:06 |
| pdanek1 | thanks guys | 17:06 |
| Sail0r | pdanek1: I never watch youtube via mobile networks :x | 17:07 |
| kor | np. | 17:07 |
| kor | might be the only internet connection for some people | 17:08 |
| Sail0r | well to be precise I never watch youtube on phone ^^ | 17:08 |
| pdanek1 | Sail0r: and how? :O | 17:08 |
| pdanek1 | If I'm in wifi range, I'm usually with my laptop :) | 17:09 |
| pdanek1 | exactly | 17:09 |
| pdanek1 | so you're out of the game :D | 17:09 |
| pdanek1 | btw clearly 140p quality is much worse | 17:09 |
| pdanek1 | so both YTplayer and llvplayer run probably 360p = too much | 17:10 |
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| kor | i've had to live with watching 144p videos | 18:24 |
| kor | i actually switched to downloading 360p videos while i slept so i could watch them the next day | 18:25 |
| kor | 384kbps edge connection wasn't the fastest. | 18:25 |
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| pdanek | kor: if you watch, or better said, listen to coneferences, podcasts etc. on YT, quality of image doesn't really matter to you | 18:31 |
| pdanek | and they're usually 1h+ long | 18:31 |
| pdanek | so you can see it on data consumption | 18:31 |
| pdanek | easily 200M difference | 18:31 |
| pdanek | so 200M going to trash just because I can't pick quality :) | 18:31 |
| kor | i had unlimited data, but really slow | 18:34 |
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| Anz_ | how to clear app update notification? | 19:37 |
| Anz_ | notification page > pulley > clear notification. doest remove it :( | 19:38 |
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| Anz_ | (not interested in updating the app) | 19:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | Is there a SIP client? | 21:35 |
| Sail0r | https://together.jolla.com/question/415/sip-voip-native-integration/ | 21:38 |
| Sail0r | https://together.jolla.com/question/53515/make-your-phone-easier-for-the-average-joe/ | 21:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | thanks | 22:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Another silly question - how do I tell my own phone number - I'm out of coverage right now. I have made calls from this SIM on this device. | 22:07 |
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