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| Anz_ | okay. know of any valid discount code for accessory purchase? :D | 07:02 |
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| eyea_UK_ | jolla )0!1@ yoh | 10:53 |
| eyea_UK_ | all good | 10:53 |
| eyea_UK_ | how is everyone? | 10:53 |
| stephg | ohai | 10:56 |
| eyea_UK_ | hej | 10:57 |
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| messerting | Where can I throw my money to make this happen?: https://together.jolla.com/question/5008/call-recording-app/ | 12:00 |
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| Aciid | messerting: want to record calls? why not use IPX? | 12:03 |
| Aciid | *sip | 12:03 |
| messerting | How would I do that? Record incoming calls with SIP? | 12:04 |
| rubdos | forwarding them to a SIP server? | 12:11 |
| rubdos | BTT: The thread you mentioned mentions an app available as workaround | 12:11 |
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| Aciid | using a sip server for your calls allows you to do basically anything | 12:16 |
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| Aciid | recording calls anyways, not my piece of cake. Would hate to see that on jolla, hopefuly never | 12:17 |
| rubdos | Aciid, most end-users don't have a SIP server in their basement | 12:18 |
| Aciid | most end-users never need to record their calls either | 12:18 |
| rubdos | Why would you hate it? | 12:18 |
| rubdos | A lot of endusers would love to record calls... | 12:18 |
| Aciid | because I smell a lawsuit coming, if you the phone doesn't TTS "This call is recorded" | 12:18 |
| Aciid | also you can't use that in court | 12:19 |
| Aciid | etc. | 12:19 |
| Aciid | its just silly to record calls anyways, kids | 12:19 |
| rubdos | What court are you talking about? | 12:19 |
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| rubdos | Don't get me wrong; as a privacy advocate, me neither would USE the function | 12:20 |
| Aciid | well atleast in finland it's against the law | 12:20 |
| messerting | Aciid: Well, where I live, recording a private call is legal. | 12:20 |
| rubdos | and btw.: it's the responsibility of the end-user to notice the other side of the call about the recording of the call | 12:20 |
| special | it is illegal in many jurisdictions to record a phone call without the consent of both participants | 12:20 |
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| Aciid | so good luck getting that in jolla anyways. | 12:20 |
| Aciid | finnish court / EU court rules pretty much whats coming and whats not | 12:20 |
| Aciid | messerting: good luck. | 12:21 |
| rubdos | recording a call could be illegal in a lot of countries, but that's only the case if at least one of the participants does not KNOW the fact that it's being recorded. So in the end, it's end user responsibility. | 12:21 |
| messerting | Aciid, rubdos: Please provide a source for the claim that EU court does not allow call recording | 12:22 |
| rubdos | heeeey, messerting, I'm at your side ^^ | 12:22 |
| messerting | rubdos: yes, I know :) | 12:23 |
| rubdos | I'm not claiming that it's illegal, I'm claiming it IS legal when all parties know about the recording, at least in my country... | 12:23 |
| rubdos | (being Belgium) | 12:23 |
| messerting | I'm not sure it is illegal even if the other party doesn't know (for PRIVATE calls that is) | 12:23 |
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| Aciid | messerting: it's legal in some countries if you disclose it before the start of the call | 12:24 |
| dunp | why not just make app for it? | 12:24 |
| Aciid | make a fart app out of it, will rate 1/5 | 12:24 |
| messerting | Aciid: I don't care what you think is legal, useful or otherwise worth downrating. I would like to donate money to get a call recording app for Jolla. | 12:24 |
| Aciid | messerting: then fund someone to develop it if you think it's that important | 12:25 |
| Aciid | "dont care what is legal" | 12:25 |
| Aciid | you are a silly bastard | 12:25 |
| messerting | That's what I am trying to do here, but you drown it in noise | 12:25 |
| messerting | ("don't care what you think is legal" != "dont care what is legal") | 12:27 |
| dunp | ask after cal do you want save it? | 12:27 |
| messerting | dunp: yes, that's how the callrecording app for Nokia N9 works. | 12:27 |
| dunp | or autosave if call is longer than 1min.. etc | 12:28 |
| Aciid | messerting: ok says here that you need to disclose that you are recording, othervice it's illegal. 5 Data Protection Directive, Art. 10 and 11 (1). | 12:28 |
| Aciid | in the EU | 12:29 |
| dunp | user app and end user add itself | 12:29 |
| messerting | Aciid: That is for PRIVATE calls? | 12:29 |
| Aciid | obligation to inform | 12:30 |
| Aciid | ur dum | 12:30 |
| messerting | [14:30] <Aciid> ur dum => Welcome to my ignore list | 12:30 |
| Aciid | catching those shinna terrorists by call recording one at a time? | 12:30 |
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| Aciid | silly vikings | 12:31 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | in finland you can record every conversation you partake and dont have to tell the other person anything | 12:35 |
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| Yaniel | ehh | 12:44 |
| Yaniel | how difficult can it be to frickin' power off a jolla | 12:44 |
| Yaniel | mine automatically reboots for some reason | 12:44 |
| tadzik | oh, stick a piece of paper next to the battery | 12:45 |
| tadzik | it's a known defect | 12:45 |
| Yaniel | done that months ago | 12:45 |
| tadzik | oh, you're trying a poweroff | 12:45 |
| tadzik | nevermind then | 12:45 |
| Yaniel | hmm now it stayed silent | 12:45 |
| Yaniel | probably a kernel panic during shutdown or something | 12:46 |
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| pdanek | Good day! | 12:50 |
| pdanek | A bug or bad feature, you can easily repeat it: 1) With screen-off, plug-in phone to USB. 2) Screen will wake-up, choose charging only and turn-off the screen with power key. 3) In few seconds, screen will wake-up again. | 12:50 |
| pdanek | It's super-annoying. | 12:50 |
| Aciid | pdanek: happens to me all the time aswell | 12:52 |
| Aciid | but screen timeouts by itself so i tend not to stress | 12:53 |
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| Yaniel | on another note, is there a package for urxvt terminfos yet? | 12:56 |
| Yaniel | it is a bit annoying that stuff does not work over ssh | 12:57 |
| Yaniel | because my terminals declare themselves as *-256color | 12:57 |
| Yaniel | rxvt-unicode-256color or xterm-256color | 12:57 |
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| pdanek | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/07/ubuntu-touch-apps-pass-100k-downloads-ahead-first-hardware | 13:15 |
| pdanek | Do you consider Ubuntu Touch as biggest threat to Jolla at the moment? | 13:16 |
| pdanek | They're in the same position, looking for interest of big HW vendors. | 13:16 |
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| special | I'm certain that we've had more than "100,000 app updates" just as part of internal development ;) | 13:17 |
| tadzik | was just about to say, Canonical QAs seem to be working hard on it :P | 13:17 |
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| covox | pdanek: don't they have to at least ship before counting as a threat | 13:37 |
| tadzik | since when competition is a threat :o | 13:38 |
| covox | that too :P | 13:38 |
| Yaniel | it's not like they are a serious competitor yet either | 13:39 |
| covox | how can more qt mobile development be a bad thing | 13:39 |
| pdanek | :) | 13:40 |
| pdanek | true | 13:40 |
| covox | anyway it's unlikely canonical will get very far without jolla's secret weapon | 13:41 |
| covox | (I am of course referring to Stskeeps) | 13:41 |
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| pp_ | crappy forks and nih may waste energy for everyone | 13:53 |
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| Yaniel | "no D-BUS proxy found for miner 'org.freedesktop.Tracker1.Miner.Applications' (perhaps a disabled plugin)" | 14:11 |
| Yaniel | what is that supposed to mean? | 14:11 |
| Yaniel | or rather: is that normal | 14:12 |
| M4rtinK | Tracker started mining Bitcoin ? :) | 14:13 |
| M4rtinK | would explain the CPU usage sometimes :) | 14:14 |
| Yaniel | more like it stopped mining anything | 14:15 |
| Yaniel | "tracker-miner-fs exited with status 1" | 14:16 |
| Yaniel | that does not sound good anyway | 14:16 |
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| Yaniel | journal shows sparql errors | 14:18 |
| Yaniel | "url is not unique" | 14:18 |
| phdeswer | the tracker miner is the indexing process afaik | 14:18 |
| Yaniel | hmm maybe I should try that factory reset | 14:25 |
| pdanek | Microkernel is really good for embedded world like Internet of Things, OS in your toothbrush etc. | 14:26 |
| pdanek | Do you think Microkernel is irrelevant for smartphone devices? | 14:26 |
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| M4rtinK | well, BB10 is actually microkernel (QNX) | 14:30 |
| M4rtinK | but I haven't seen any advantages of it using a microkernel in comparison to other systems just using the Linux kernel | 14:30 |
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| Yaniel | oh crap | 14:38 |
| Yaniel | the factory reset dropped me all the way back to 1.0.0.5 | 14:38 |
| tbr | yes, that's expected | 14:39 |
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| Yaniel | checking for updates takes way too long on this version | 14:43 |
| Yaniel | oh right, needs jolla account | 14:44 |
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| Yaniel | still takes ages though | 14:46 |
| tadzik | I don't think microkernels are relevant to anything else than university OS classes | 14:46 |
| phdeswer | tadzik: well as the microkernel extra overhead is getting less important, the reliability features of a microkernel could start to be interesting. | 14:49 |
| tadzik | well, I guess | 14:53 |
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| Yaniel | yeah, updating virtually anything without having to reboot is a nice feature | 14:54 |
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| pdanek | M4rtinK: Yaniel: tadzik: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanenbaum%E2%80%93Torvalds_debate | 15:28 |
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| chem|st | tbr: your inline comments on SIP are off... for people like me this is an essential feature, I know you don't want to hear it... I use VoIP as primary landline for 8 years now... and still use the N9 for it... every new landline in the country I live in is VoIP... most of the time SIP | 16:33 |
| tbr | chem|st: yes, but it won't immediately sell 10k more jollas, and from that point of view it's not relevant, jolla has made that clear | 16:35 |
| tbr | chem|st: I know this hurts people's feelings, but I'm not afraid to state that. There can't be 150.000 most important amazing magical new features with priority 1 to implement. | 16:35 |
| tbr | chem|st: so while for individuals like you, this might be the best since sliced bread, jolla decided not to care, as it is not a main stream feature | 16:36 |
| tbr | _that_ was my point, and I thought I made myself pretty clear | 16:37 |
| chem|st | tbr: true so true, but for selling point features?! does younited sell more phones? telepathy unification is a sellingpoint - my N9 modem is broken - I was forced to use another phone to have a reliable cell coverage... | 16:38 |
| tbr | chem|st: I haven't had a land line since over a decade, for me this would be also very nice to have and I've done a lot behind the scenes to make it happen. Still I realize that Jolla has chosen that it's NOT a priority and I respect that. | 16:38 |
| tbr | the target audience for younited is much much larger than for SIP | 16:39 |
| chem|st | tbr: that point is valid, just like MMS is so rarely used that only a hand full of people use it... that android actually "forces" people to use without knowing was news to me and something I do not quiet understand why to follow a dumb path... | 16:39 |
| special | chem|st: SIP is probably not hard to do, but we don't have anybody with the time and motivation to do it yet | 16:41 |
| tbr | Jolla was quite reluctant to implement MMS. They had to as it is an requirement from operators to be even considered "a phone" that they could sell. That's how I read this. Still it arrived almost half a year after product launch. Because priorities. | 16:41 |
| special | if someone in the community wants to look into it, that would be awesome. | 16:41 |
| special | it shouldn't be hard. | 16:41 |
| chem|st | special: I know but there is no reason to rub it in people's faces | 16:41 |
| special | who is rubbing it in your face? | 16:41 |
| tbr | special: actually most things work, I need to verify things still work with U8, there were some teething issues | 16:41 |
| tbr | special: he means me, telling it to people that they are not special snowflakes | 16:42 |
| chem|st | my point is, just because you are tired of people moaning does not give you a legit reason to tell them to shut the fsck up | 16:43 |
| special | ah. well, feel free to blame me | 16:43 |
| chem|st | :) | 16:43 |
| special | I'm one of the people who could implement it, but I've never used SIP in my life, I wouldn't know where to start, and I don't have time to wonder | 16:43 |
| tbr | special: as I wrote in the TJC item the only really missing things are audio policy (and we both know whom to poke), accounts-UI and dialler/contacts integration | 16:43 |
| chem|st | I am sick and tired of younited,whatsapp,windows,...<long-list>-people, I understand that they are the masses... | 16:44 |
| tbr | chem|st: if you think that TJC should be a place that inundates in "me too" type comments and questions, I'm surprised. | 16:44 |
| chem|st | tbr: the current state is actually what was said jolla will take care of... | 16:45 |
| chem|st | tbr: no that is not what I mean, I understand your point, I just wouldn't alter the top post for it | 16:46 |
| chem|st | you only get people jump you that way | 16:46 |
| tbr | As I understand TJC is a place for discussion and discourse. Sharing knowledge, helping each other. I utterly feel to see how "make it work" "ship it already" comments and other things further this and should be encouraged. | 16:46 |
| tbr | I know I'm rubbing them, they need to learn they are not special snow flakes | 16:47 |
| chem|st | :) | 16:47 |
| tbr | and I know they wont | 16:47 |
| tbr | and now for something completely different! | 16:48 |
| tbr | irssi push notifications on Sailfish! https://plus.google.com/u/0/111101795166699165422/posts/YWM8fTPwFqK | 16:48 |
| chem|st | well do that with all posts that piss you off and you have at least the one on all of them jump you | 16:48 |
| chem|st | nice! | 16:49 |
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| tbr | currently I have two issues: sleep/low power mode messes with things, I need to fix reconnecting. | 16:50 |
| tbr | chem|st: there, I have removed those notes that upset you, AND I unsubscribed from the question, that way I don't have to deal with its spam. I just need to remember to MANUALLY check it. | 16:53 |
| chem|st | ehrm how do you unsubscribe? I am not subscribed and am not following and still get msgs... | 16:55 |
| chem|st | tjc internal stuff no emails though | 16:56 |
| tbr | there is a button top right, I'd hope it stops the emails from that question | 16:56 |
| tbr | unless the fact that I posted on it overrides that, which IMO would be a bug | 16:57 |
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| chem|st | I have a "follow" and below it a "subscribe" link - I get notifications within tjc but no emails (but that I turned off for good) | 16:58 |
| chem|st | I get notifications for every question I did more than just alter the tags | 16:58 |
| tbr | ok, too bad then, so I will continue getting that spam | 17:00 |
| chem|st | tbr: I reverted your cahnges back, please don't act childish on me, I just wanted to point out that inline comments like this can get people to jump you if it is your general line of interaction | 17:00 |
| chem|st | I have a lot of questions spamming me as I corrected links and typos... after I recognized that I think twice about it | 17:01 |
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| stephg | something very strange. I *never* get notifications for SMSes from Google two-factor auth | 17:28 |
| stephg | nor github now that I think about it | 17:28 |
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| Yaniel | which package was it that provides /usr/bin/less | 18:28 |
| Yaniel | I had it installed earlier but can't remember where I got it from | 18:28 |
| Anz_ | There is an invisible icon on app launcher and. it does nothing but open a cover and then quit | 18:30 |
| Anz_ | what is it? | 18:31 |
| tbr | Yaniel: it's in mer-tools | 18:31 |
| Anz_ | i guess it appeared after some Android app updates | 18:32 |
| chem|st | Anz_: lookup the .desktop files... | 18:32 |
| Yaniel | wasn't mer-tools some repo too? | 18:32 |
| Anz_ | chem|st: thanks | 18:32 |
| chem|st | Yaniel: it is less in mer-tools iirc | 18:32 |
| Yaniel | oh | 18:32 |
| Yaniel | hmm why don't I see mer-tools at all here | 18:32 |
| tbr | yes, it's a repo | 18:32 |
| tbr | ssu er mer-tools | 18:33 |
| Yaniel | ssu lr does not show it | 18:33 |
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| chem|st | hmmm | 18:36 |
| chem|st | you may add it by hand then | 18:36 |
| chem|st | did you alter your repos by hand previously? | 18:37 |
| Yaniel | added chum | 18:37 |
| Yaniel | chum-1.0.8.19-testing to be precise | 18:37 |
| stephg | ssu ar mer-tools # should just work | 18:37 |
| chem|st | Yaniel: just try adding... it is one of the jolla repos | 18:38 |
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| Yaniel | ah | 18:40 |
| Yaniel | ssu ar | 18:40 |
| Yaniel | not ssu er | 18:40 |
| Anz_ | chem|st: couldn't dentify from the desktop files. so uninstalled. and google voice, search disappeared. | 18:43 |
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| chem|st | a google services may or may not show sometimes - google service settings for example does not show unless something magical makes it appear | 18:45 |
| chem|st | what was the simtoolkit thing package called? (I still need proper bash_completion!) | 18:45 |
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| chem|st | ah simkit | 18:46 |
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| anonfriese | lol, jolla can use device lock codes up to 42 digits :) | 19:00 |
| rubdos | anonfriese, I had a 20 digit alphanumeric lock code on my N9 for a month or so... :P | 19:03 |
| Eztran | Not a bit of a pain to unlock at times? | 19:05 |
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| javispedro | since you mentioned chum... | 19:06 |
| javispedro | can build.merproject.org already be used to build sailfish packages? | 19:07 |
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| javispedro | ("by the public" I mean, in order to target chum) | 19:07 |
| rubdos | Eztran, yeh, my fingers started to hurt, so I moved it to a 5 digit numeric code :) | 19:08 |
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| rubdos | (it was just to keep my brother off my phone...) | 19:08 |
| * rubdos doesn't like brother reading girlfriends texts | 19:08 | |
| Eztran | Entirely justified, then ;) | 19:09 |
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| Yaniel | seeing as there are sailors online now, could someone tell me more about this dbus error? | 19:14 |
| Yaniel | Could not create proxy on the D-Bus session bus, Error calling StartServiceByName for org.freedesktop.Tracker1.Miner.Applications: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ChildExited: Process /usr/libexec/tracker-miner-fs exited with status 1 | 19:14 |
| Yaniel | also media player sees yet does not see cover art once again | 19:15 |
| javispedro | where do you get that? | 19:15 |
| Yaniel | tracker-control -rs | 19:15 |
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| Yaniel | got a new uSD so I had to get tracker to refresh | 19:16 |
| javispedro | maybe there is something interesting in journal? | 19:17 |
| javispedro | ie journalctl -t as root right after doing that | 19:18 |
| Yaniel | Jul 26 22:16:04 Jolla kernel: tracker-extract: unhandled page fault (11) at 0x00000014, code 0x017 | 19:18 |
| Yaniel | like that? | 19:18 |
| javispedro | heh. | 19:18 |
| javispedro | yeah, like that, albeit that's not miner-fs crashing. | 19:18 |
| Yaniel | Jul 26 22:14:11 Jolla tracker-miner-fs[7954]: GLIB CRITICAL ** Tracker - Couldn't create new Files miner: 'D-Bus service name:'org.freed | 19:18 |
| Yaniel | Jul 26 22:14:11 Jolla dbus-daemon[901]: Activated service 'org.freedesktop.Tracker1.Miner.Applications' failed: Process /usr/libexec/tra | 19:18 |
| Yaniel | wat | 19:19 |
| javispedro | are you trying to run tracker-control as root for any reason? | 19:19 |
| Yaniel | Jul 26 22:14:29 Jolla kernel: It's charger hold the wake lock. Don't worry!! | 19:19 |
| Yaniel | can has that one in english? | 19:19 |
| javispedro | Yaniel: qualcomm. don't ask. | 19:19 |
| Yaniel | javispedro: no, as nemo | 19:19 |
| Yaniel | should I run it with devel-su -p ? | 19:19 |
| javispedro | lemme check | 19:20 |
| javispedro | nah, runs with gid nemo here. | 19:22 |
| javispedro | Yaniel: can you get the full log line for "Jolla tracker-miner-fs[7954] ...." msg? | 19:22 |
| javispedro | adding -f to journalctl should make it iirc | 19:22 |
| javispedro | err.. | 19:23 |
| Yaniel | btw did a factory reset earlier and the problem with pin not being asked automatically and shortcuts getting disabled at boot disappeared | 19:23 |
| javispedro | -l, not -f | 19:23 |
| Yaniel | that is the full line | 19:23 |
| Yaniel | err | 19:23 |
| * javispedro 's "love" for journald increasing... | 19:24 | |
| Yaniel | Jul 26 22:14:11 Jolla tracker-miner-fs[7954]: GLIB CRITICAL ** Tracker - Couldn't create new Files miner: 'D-Bus service name:'org.freedesktop.Tracker1.Miner.Files' is already taken, perhaps the application is already running?' | 19:24 |
| Yaniel | that | 19:24 |
| javispedro | oh. | 19:24 |
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| Yaniel | sorry, the pager decided that it should not wrap lines it seems | 19:24 |
| javispedro | so, is it running already? =) | 19:25 |
| javispedro | maybe it's hung or similar | 19:25 |
| Yaniel | well it was just killed | 19:26 |
| Yaniel | unless tracker-control tries to start it twice | 19:26 |
| Yaniel | Jul 26 22:14:07 Jolla kernel: tracker-control(7898) send signal 9 to tracker-miner-f(953) | 19:26 |
| javispedro | you can start it manually and see what happens /usr/libexec/tracker-miner-fs -n -v 3 | 19:27 |
| Yaniel | hmm Jul 26 22:14:11 Jolla tumblerd[7932]: GLIB WARNING ** tumblerd - Failed to start the thumbnail cache service: Another thumbnail cache service is already running | 19:27 |
| Yaniel | that one should maybe have been killed too? | 19:27 |
| Yaniel | do you want the entire output? | 19:28 |
| Yaniel | (assuming yes) https://pastee.org/8wb6m | 19:29 |
| kimmoli_sailing_ | try to reset it, with tracker-control -ksr ...usually helps to my issues | 19:29 |
| javispedro | it keeps saying it is already started | 19:29 |
| Yaniel | kimmoli_sailing_: nope, same message | 19:30 |
| javispedro | do only tracker-control -k | 19:30 |
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| javispedro | and then try to start tracker-miner-fs manually | 19:30 |
| Yaniel | sec, I'll put the ix script on the device | 19:31 |
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| Yaniel | or meh | 19:32 |
| Yaniel | https://pastee.org/j7gj7 | 19:32 |
| Yaniel | errh | 19:34 |
| Yaniel | now it failed bigtime | 19:34 |
| Yaniel | didn't even get artist/album info from most files | 19:34 |
| javispedro | but it did not crash :) | 19:35 |
| Yaniel | hmm ran it again and now it is spewing out quite a lot of stuff | 19:36 |
| javispedro | it also certainly finds your sdcard | 19:36 |
| Yaniel | yeah that hasn't been a problem since I got the new one | 19:36 |
| javispedro | maybe a good time to do something like tracker-control -r | 19:37 |
| javispedro | wait for a while and run tracker-control -s | 19:37 |
| javispedro | and close the media player in the meanwhile | 19:37 |
| Yaniel | watch 'tracker-control -S' | 19:38 |
| javispedro | watch 'tracker-control -S' should be the same as tracker-control -F | 19:38 |
| Yaniel | ooh there is a -F | 19:39 |
| Yaniel | why didn't anyone tell me earlier | 19:39 |
| Yaniel | well it is not exactly the same | 19:40 |
| Yaniel | but close enough | 19:40 |
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| Yaniel | hmm extractor does not report idle | 20:03 |
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| Yaniel | well, it finished eventually it seems | 20:21 |
| Yaniel | still no cover art | 20:21 |
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