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| louisdk | What is Jolla's take on an online browsable software catalog? Is there a tjc ticket I've overlooked? | 00:30 |
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| TemeV | louisdk: https://together.jolla.com/question/2721/jolla-application-store-web-version/ | 01:29 |
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| louisdk | TemeW: Thanks | 01:52 |
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| Stskeeps | good morning everybody | 04:40 |
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| PeperJohnny | Good morning | 04:41 |
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| Tegu | weird, I couldn't stop the alarm clock of jolla as it didn't respond to any keypress nor double tap. I was about to shut it down but tried to plug in headphones, and boom, the screen was lit and I was able to stop it :D | 04:47 |
| Tegu | actually it wasn't the first time of getting stuck but I had just powered it off earlier. hasn't happened often | 04:49 |
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| tukkone | Hello, can anybody help with a dead Jolla? | 06:54 |
| Quu | depends | 06:55 |
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| Quu | if its really dead/broken, mail care | 06:55 |
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| tukkone | already mailed but it is so lonely without the phone :( | 06:57 |
| tukkone | I thougth if I could try something | 06:57 |
| Stskeeps | how was it dead? | 06:57 |
| tukkone | I tried to reset to factory settings from the recovery mode | 06:57 |
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| tukkone | and then I got error reports about corrupted filesystem | 06:58 |
| Quu | can you go to recovery? | 06:58 |
| tukkone | yes | 06:58 |
| Quu | neat. | 06:58 |
| Stskeeps | what version of sailfish? | 06:58 |
| Quu | yeah, maybe Stskeeps should help you, not me ;p | 06:58 |
| tukkone | latest (consumer version) | 06:58 |
| Stskeeps | latest being 1.0.5. something or how as it | 06:58 |
| Quu | .16 | 06:59 |
| tukkone | I had problems before this (random booting etc) | 06:59 |
| Stskeeps | ok, so it might be properly corrupted | 06:59 |
| Stskeeps | where'd you get the error reports from? | 07:00 |
| tukkone | from recovery mode console | 07:00 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, even the 'btrfs recovery' one? | 07:00 |
| Nicd- | Quu: latest is .19 | 07:00 |
| Quu | oh, yeah it is | 07:00 |
| tukkone | I mailed the screenshot to care | 07:00 |
| tukkone | I couldn't get the btrfs recovery working after the failed factory recover attempt | 07:01 |
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| tukkone | I think my Jolla got some how corrupted after failed backup / recover | 07:05 |
| Stskeeps | okay | 07:06 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, you need care then | 07:06 |
| Stskeeps | they'll reflash the thing likely | 07:06 |
| tukkone | I couldn't even start the browser or setting app | 07:06 |
| tukkone | So you think it is still possible to save the phone? I was already loosing my hope | 07:08 |
| Stskeeps | yes, for sure | 07:08 |
| Stskeeps | it's a reflash away to fix it | 07:08 |
| Stskeeps | provided the emmc hasn't died | 07:09 |
| tukkone | good to hear | 07:09 |
| Stskeeps | are you worried about the data, or? | 07:11 |
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| tukkone | I already lost my data because of failed backup / restore, so I'm not worried anymore | 07:25 |
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| tukkone | So what I did before everything went to mess: I made a backup and copied all backups to the sdcard (with settings app option from pulley menu), but didn't check that the latest backup was ok (which wasn't). I think I was a bit careless and copied before the backup was completely done... | 07:32 |
| stephg | tukkone: you deleted the older ones or overwrote them? | 07:32 |
| stephg | outside chance photorec may be able to find things on the sdcard | 07:33 |
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| tukkone | No I didn't overwrite them, I have every older backup but the newest is gone and didn't get copied to sdcard (sdcard is working ok) | 07:41 |
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| stephg | ah | 07:41 |
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| Milo- | cool | 07:44 |
| Milo- | wifi hotspot drains battery quite quickly | 07:44 |
| Milo- | even after disabling wifi hotspot :) | 07:44 |
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| netzvieh | Hmm on android, when using backspace to delete a space after choosing a word from the list above the kb, it will overwrite the word. e.g. word becomes wwor with only wor being underlined | 08:04 |
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| Nicd- | netzvieh: this happens for me too | 08:32 |
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| coderus | just woke up and got 50+ unread emails about Discrimination, abuse, Right to silence in developers mailing list. Please stop this. Please. Stop. This. !!! | 09:02 |
| SK_work | coderus: right click: mark as read | 09:03 |
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| SK_work | coderus: though I would prefer to have a general discussion ML and a dev ML (like everybody) | 09:03 |
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| Acce | I would prefer the spam to stop | 09:16 |
| Quu | "mark as spam" ;p | 09:17 |
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| SK_work | Acce: face it, the spam won't stop | 09:18 |
| SK_work | it's like opening pandora's box | 09:18 |
| Nicd- | I think there should be a generic mailing list for stuff that isn't devel specific | 09:18 |
| ggabriel | it'll never stop so long as people keep enabling the spammers | 09:18 |
| Nicd- | ẗo keep the devel list clean | 09:19 |
| ggabriel | ah, you're talking about _that_ | 09:19 |
| SK_work | Nicd-: +1 | 09:19 |
| SK_work | ah | 09:19 |
| SK_work | forgot about adding what iekku said (generic ml) to next SF meeting | 09:19 |
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| SK_work | iekku: you don't mind if I copied pasted part of your mail about geneirc ml in the agenda for next meeting ? | 09:21 |
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| faenil | o/ | 09:40 |
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| iekku | SK_work, no, not at all. thanks <3 | 10:38 |
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| faenil | iekku, one thing I forgot to ask during the meeting | 10:39 |
| faenil | I read you agreed to get more info about themes/icons as packages in harbour | 10:39 |
| faenil | can you give us an update on that? | 10:40 |
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| Quu | theming would be very nice | 10:49 |
| Quu | even just icon packs | 10:49 |
| SK_work | faenil: add it in next meeting agenda (just in case :)) | 10:50 |
| faenil | linky? | 10:50 |
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| iekku | faenil, i said i will figure out what we can do / if we can do. it's action point from previous meeting. no actions taken yet, as mentioned yesterday. have been bit busy with other tasks. and i still have limited working hours | 10:53 |
| faenil | iekku, ah ok I missed your words in the meeting then sorry :) | 10:53 |
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| SK_work | faenil: http://piratepad.net/SailfishOSSMeetings | 10:54 |
| SK_work | it's in ML you lazy | 10:54 |
| * faenil lazy | 10:54 | |
| faenil | ah it's always the same link :) | 10:54 |
| iekku | :D | 10:55 |
| SK_work | faenil: yep, easier :) | 10:55 |
| faenil | yeah, I should have guessed :p | 10:55 |
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| ccha2 | when will next sailfish update ? | 11:22 |
| ggabriel | ccha2: see tjc - it's moved to june as they're merging 2 updates (6+7) | 11:22 |
| ccha2 | with new kernel ? | 11:23 |
| ggabriel | not that i know of | 11:23 |
| ggabriel | the kernel is the one that android uses, so check android | 11:23 |
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| ccha2 | it's about https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2014-0196 | 11:25 |
| tigeli | ccha2: fix for that is being worked on | 11:29 |
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| tigeli | ccha2: but it's "only" a locally exploitable | 11:30 |
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| Nicd- | hey louisdk, did you order the insmat flip things from jolla shop? | 11:51 |
| louisdk | Hey Nicd- yes and it's quite nice. | 11:52 |
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| ccha2 | ok thx tigeli | 12:01 |
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| louisdk | What is the difference between dev mode enabled vs disabled? SSH server enabled (if activated), terminal shortcut. Anything else? :) | 12:06 |
| phdeswer | Extra usb mode | 12:11 |
| phdeswer | And probably some more minor things to make life easy like the terminal app | 12:11 |
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| stephg | there's a tjc somewhere that lists all of the things in an, er, list | 12:30 |
| flux | cool, I wrote 10 calendar entries and then noticed they cannot be moved between different calendars | 13:04 |
| flux | what's better than writing 10 calendar entries to jolla via its touch screen? doing it twice! | 13:05 |
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| Nicd- | jolla just wants you to practise writing with a touchscreen | 13:06 |
| flux | especially I like that functionality where I set the end-time of the event to be, say, 00:00. it moves the whole event to the previous day. | 13:08 |
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| flux | what happens to calendar event times when I change time zone? | 13:13 |
| flux | are they kept in local time or in absolute time? | 13:13 |
| pvuorela | flux: all day events are clock time, others are with the timezone created. | 13:15 |
| pvuorela | oh and sorry about moving the events, disabled that while sorting out some funkiness with underlying mkcal. | 13:17 |
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| flux | somehow I feel it is a bit undereministic what is the default calendar when creating the entry as well.. | 13:20 |
| flux | previous entry I inserted was Personal by default, but the next I added was not | 13:20 |
| flux | it seemed to stick to the one added the previous entry as but I guess not | 13:20 |
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| flux | pvuorela, any luck with next release yet to fix it?-) | 13:20 |
| pvuorela | flux: let's see :) | 13:21 |
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| pvuorela | default calendar should be calendar used when creating last new event. | 13:21 |
| flux | and while complaining to the correct person ;-) I find it confusing how only 'delete' is accessible via the keep-pressed-menu, but perhaps it's somehow limited to only one entry | 13:23 |
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| pvuorela | m'yeah, it is though also available from event details pulley menu. | 13:25 |
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| flux | I've somehow learned to associate modification operations with the long press | 13:27 |
| pvuorela | flux: or was this about expecting "modify" from long press menu? | 13:27 |
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| flux | yes | 13:29 |
| pvuorela | yeah, could actually make sense. | 13:29 |
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| Bawal | can i "easily" send/read sms via cli? | 13:58 |
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| louisdk | I've tried a couple of Jolla phones running 1.0.5.16/19 and on all of them I could reproduce this bug: https://together.jolla.com/question/39242/bug-predictive-input-1st-letter-doubling-in-android-applications/ - Anyone using Android apps that does not have this bug? | 14:00 |
| Nicd- | I can confirm it too | 14:00 |
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| louisdk | Nicd-, I would really wish Jolla would release more hotfixes to fix these critical bugs. I can easily see this bug being a show stopper for switchers/new users. | 14:02 |
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| Venemo | louisdk I agree | 14:17 |
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| louisdk | Venemo, I've commented on this bug: https://together.jolla.com/question/40756/wiki-urgent-critical-bugs-that-deserve-a-hotfix/ - which you might find relevant. | 14:19 |
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| louisdk | Venemo: Also found this: https://together.jolla.com/question/39819/small-patch-management-between-major-os-updates/ | 14:24 |
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| Cal-Drone | meow | 14:48 |
| SK_work | Cal-Drone: hi | 14:48 |
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| Cal-Drone | is there a simple way to get .ica files to android citrix receiver? | 14:50 |
| SK_work | Cal-Drone: ??? eh I don't know | 14:50 |
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| flux | can I instruct the media indexer (there is one, right?) to use the sdcard as well, so the media player can find them? or do I just need to wait?-) | 16:21 |
| special | tracker is the component you're looking for, but I'm unsure of the specifics | 16:21 |
| Quu | iirc someone made symlinks | 16:22 |
| flux | there is ~/.config/tracker but it's empty | 16:22 |
| flux | ok, I'll try symlinking them to ~/Audio | 16:22 |
| flux | oops Music I mean | 16:22 |
| Quu | cant remember if it worked tho :p | 16:22 |
| flux | and whaddayaknow, tracker immediately rises to eat the cpu :) | 16:23 |
| flux | hmh, the media player doesn't seem to have a 'directory' kind of view of things.. | 16:24 |
| flux | so I guess I need to generate playlists | 16:24 |
| flux | at least those are in plain text, easy to generate | 16:25 |
| SK_work | flux: put your media player in sdcardroot/Music | 16:27 |
| SK_work | it works | 16:27 |
| SK_work | you can use subfolders inside this one | 16:27 |
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| flux | sk_work, ok, thanks | 16:27 |
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| gexc | just got a 'cannot write file /var/tmp/AP_0x809ilc/repodata/repomd.xml' error while trying to refresh the repos | 16:37 |
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| gexc | and it comes back after a reboot | 16:38 |
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| gexc | there is no such a directory /var/tmp/AP... | 16:39 |
| gexc | maybe I'll try to make one LOL | 16:40 |
| gexc | not working | 16:42 |
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| gexc | this error prevents installing apps it seems :( | 16:46 |
| gexc | zypper -v ref reports the error while trying to refresh the repo 'adaption1' | 16:48 |
| gexc | what happened? | 16:48 |
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| gexc | this time it's adaption0 | 16:50 |
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| gexc | does the retrieving process get randomly interupted? | 16:56 |
| stephg | gexc: you may be out of space | 16:58 |
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| gexc | which partition? | 16:59 |
| stephg | what does (as root) btrfs fi show | 16:59 |
| stephg | https://together.jolla.com/question/30822/root-and-home-disks-full-and-causing-various-problems/ | 16:59 |
| stephg | if it is that, the fix is to free up space as best you can, plug your phone into the mains and run a btrfs balance | 17:00 |
| stephg | plug it in as it's an intensive operation and it'll hit the battery hard | 17:01 |
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| gexc | /dev/mmcblk0p28 still has 58% free | 17:01 |
| stephg | with btrfs you can't trust df :) | 17:01 |
| gexc | O_O | 17:01 |
| Venemo_j | hey | 17:01 |
| stephg | it may not be that, but it's worth a look as lack of space causes all sorts of really weird issues | 17:02 |
| Venemo_j | worse than weird issues | 17:03 |
| gexc | Yeah...that seems to be it | 17:03 |
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| gexc | I'll try that balance thing ;-) | 17:06 |
| stephg | it's bitten quite a few people (myself included) to the point nwo I don't really use the internal storage | 17:07 |
| gexc | that's rather weird | 17:07 |
| stephg | got a nice big fast sdcard and put music etc. on that instead | 17:07 |
| faenil | has anyone bothered asking people in #btrfs some help | 17:07 |
| faenil | so that we know where the problem comes from and can help fix it? | 17:07 |
| SK_work | stephg: same here | 17:08 |
| stephg | faenil: that's a can of worms ;) | 17:08 |
| faenil | stephg, ? | 17:08 |
| SK_work | I never use internal storage for personnal data | 17:08 |
| gexc | maybe it's a bad practice to compile directly on the internal storage... | 17:08 |
| stephg | btrfs lets Jolla do all the shiny stuff with snapshots for the factory reset etc. but it's still a bit, ahem, idiosyncratic :) | 17:09 |
| faenil | stephg, and it won't get better if people don't report bugs ;) | 17:09 |
| coderus | what is the high resolution of secondary camera? | 17:09 |
| faenil | coderus, front camera is 2mp | 17:09 |
| stephg | it'll get better | 17:10 |
| stephg | and I'm sure they know about it :) | 17:10 |
| faenil | I've learned not to make those assumptions :p | 17:10 |
| coderus | faenil: but what resolution? | 17:10 |
| coderus | is it 4:3? | 17:10 |
| faenil | coderus, not sure, 2mp is usually 1600x1200 | 17:10 |
| faenil | not sure | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | hello warsaw | 17:11 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, welcome home :) | 17:11 |
| stephg | faenil: hehe, but check sections 4.2, 4.6-8 of their wiki https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/FAQ :) | 17:11 |
| faenil | stephg, yeah, so what :D are you saying it's not a bug? :) | 17:12 |
| faenil | (which it could even be the case) | 17:12 |
| stephg | I think I'm saying it's a feature that hasn't happened yet ;) | 17:13 |
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| faenil | stephg, yeah, but you know, it takes 2sec (after reading the wiki) to jump in their channel and make sure everything is as it is supposed to be :p | 17:14 |
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| faenil | I've got your point anyway, I'll do that myself when I have that issue (assuming I will) | 17:15 |
| faenil | :p | 17:15 |
| Venemo_j | faenil +1 | 17:18 |
| Venemo_j | the people at #btrfs are indeed very helpful, they even helped me when I had trouble | 17:19 |
| gexc | is it okay to make the external sdcard btrfs? | 17:20 |
| SK_work | gexc: eh | 17:20 |
| SK_work | for safety and compatibility I formatted mine in fat32 | 17:20 |
| stephg | gexc: yep absolutely fine, only caveat is it's a good idea to do it on-device rather than on a computer | 17:20 |
| SK_work | you could go ext4 that could be safer too | 17:20 |
| SK_work | you won't have the small files issue | 17:20 |
| stephg | (different kernel versions and different btrfs versions interact oddly) | 17:20 |
| stephg | fwiw mine is ext4 | 17:21 |
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| gexc | I made it btrfs on the phone | 17:21 |
| stephg | cool, no problem then | 17:21 |
| gexc | so it is okay if we use it purely for storage, no fancy stuff? | 17:22 |
| gexc | maybe I'll reformat it to something else someday :P | 17:23 |
| stephg | depends what you mean by fancy stuff? | 17:25 |
| stephg | it's perfectly fine to do what you like with it! | 17:26 |
| gexc | LOL | 17:26 |
| stephg | what I meant about the on-device off device stuff is that people here sometimes had trouble | 17:27 |
| stephg | creating a btrfs fs on a computer (say with a new ubuntu) | 17:27 |
| stephg | and then using it on the phone | 17:27 |
| stephg | I think if it's created on the phone none of that'll happen | 17:27 |
| stephg | obvs you can still do snapshots and all the rest | 17:28 |
| gexc | could someday the sdcard reports its full even if it's not? | 17:30 |
| gexc | there is only one partition though, not as 'fancy' as the internal one :P | 17:32 |
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| stephg | gexc: depends how many files you have, how big, how many snapshots you make, stuff like that | 17:42 |
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| stephg | what is the capacity of the card? | 17:43 |
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| gexc | it's a 32GB card | 17:46 |
| gexc | just finished balancing, trying refresh the repos... | 17:46 |
| gexc | seems to be working LOL | 17:47 |
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| gexc | now moving files to the sdcard... | 17:59 |
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| stephg | cool | 18:23 |
| stephg | once you've done the move you may want to rebalance | 18:23 |
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| Kiranos | anyone with /topic edit previlegies want to add http://apps.evozi.com/apk-downloader/ ? | 19:55 |
| Kiranos | its a great site for jolla users so its a shame not more know about it | 19:56 |
| Kiranos | just installed google docs :) | 19:56 |
| Kiranos | and latest spotify | 19:56 |
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| Kiranos | but dame google docs crashes | 19:58 |
| Kiranos | com.google.android.apps.docs.editors.docs | 19:58 |
| Kiranos | https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.apps.docs.editors.docs | 19:59 |
| Kiranos | anyone else gotten google docs app to work in jolla? | 19:59 |
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| stephg | Kiranos: Drive you mean? yes | 20:10 |
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| stephg | not tried the new ones | 20:10 |
| * stephg mmmm beer | 20:11 | |
| slate | which brand | 20:11 |
| slate | I drink no crappy beer. | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | hmm this is like polish beer | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | it kicks fairly well | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:12 |
| * stephg hic | 20:12 | |
| * phdeswer checks his fridge now. | 20:13 | |
| slate | Brewdogs Tokyo kicks fairly well also | 20:13 |
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| Nicd- | Kiranos: I wouldn't add it to the topic. it's a 3rd party site not related to jolla and quite frankly I myself wouldn't trust it | 20:13 |
| phdeswer | Saisons Dupond biologique it is ... | 20:14 |
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| stephg | actually not drinking today (too much this week) but I do have a chocolate tarte and coffee icecream and strawberries | 20:23 |
| Yaniel | speaking of trust, I've been poking chromium and firefox with various network monitoring tools... | 20:24 |
| stephg | oh yes? | 20:24 |
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| Kiranos | Stephg: its the new docs apps | 20:25 |
| Kiranos | Should i report crash simewhere? | 20:25 |
| flanag | Kiranos: do you have the Google services installed and all that? | 20:26 |
| Kiranos | No just the apk | 20:26 |
| flanag | that's probably the reason for the crash | 20:27 |
| Yaniel | apparently chromium maintains a https connection to some google server (1e100.net) almost all the time (although it seemed to be on keepalive most of the time) | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | Yaniel: push notifications? | 20:27 |
| Yaniel | as well as the occasional request to clients.google.com and googleapis.com | 20:27 |
| Yaniel | I think I disabled those | 20:28 |
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| Yaniel | but I have to check again | 20:28 |
| flanag | Yaniel: what about Firefox? | 20:28 |
| Yaniel | those guys did quite a good job hiding all seettings | 20:28 |
| stephg | Yaniel: had you logged into to google? | 20:28 |
| Yaniel | nope | 20:28 |
| stephg | (the browser syncing thing they do) | 20:28 |
| Yaniel | just installed chromium and started setting it to as paranoid as I could | 20:28 |
| Yaniel | I kinda wish I hadn't checked firefox :D | 20:29 |
| Yaniel | but I have to see about it again without addons | 20:29 |
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| flanag | what browser is everyone here using btw? | 20:29 |
| Nicd- | default | 20:29 |
| Nicd- | or on desktop? | 20:30 |
| stephg | flanag: where? | 20:30 |
| flanag | on desktop | 20:30 |
| stephg | yeah | 20:30 |
| stephg | ff | 20:30 |
| flanag | heh, should have said that | 20:30 |
| stephg | (very occasionally chromium) | 20:30 |
| Nicd- | chrome, will probably go chromium or opera soonish | 20:30 |
| flanag | what's the point of Opera Nicd-? it's just ChOpera | 20:30 |
| Nicd- | speed dial is nice | 20:30 |
| Nicd- | and when they get their sync working I'd trust them more than google | 20:31 |
| flanag | I've been testing SeaMonkey recently, as I don't really like Firefox's Australis.. | 20:31 |
| Yaniel | I used firefox by default (or safari, probably not much better than chrome) | 20:31 |
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| Yaniel | but recently firefox has kept locking up whenever I try to open a file | 20:31 |
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| stephg | flanag: there#s a plugin that undoes all of the new interface stuff | 20:35 |
| flanag | stephg: I've been using that too | 20:35 |
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| attah | Any chance that this will have been fixed in the upcoming release? https://together.jolla.com/question/2132/new-calendar-entries-default-to-the-wrong-date/ | 21:01 |
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| attah | The bug is on line 392 in EventEditPage.qml.... | 21:27 |
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| phdeswer | attah: well since you have the qml, post a fix in the question. | 21:29 |
| attah | the qml is on the phone ^^ | 21:30 |
| attah | yeah.. i probably should | 21:30 |
| faenil | pvuorela, ^ | 21:32 |
| phdeswer | attah: best way to get something fixed. Kudos to you if you do! | 21:33 |
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| attah | hmm.. i'll make an attempt to cowboy-code it and just swap it on the phone.. just need to figure out what behavior i'd want | 21:34 |
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| phdeswer | attah: that's a hackers spirit! :) | 21:48 |
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| attah | Crap.. i am too tired, that wasn't the bug.. But on a positive note my code "worked" | 21:59 |
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| attah | Success.. ugly proof-of-concept works! | 22:17 |
| attah | Good night all! | 22:20 |
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