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| Nicd- | had my first shutdown since february yesterday :/ | 06:49 |
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| Nicd- | hope they don't continue or I'll have to do the paper thing to the battery | 06:49 |
| Gorith | just get my randomly booting/shutting down jolla back from service fifteen minutes ago with "battery replaced, updated, reseted, etc" | 06:51 |
| Gorith | welcome screen -> selected language -> confirmed it -> jolla died | 06:52 |
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| Nicd- | ouch | 06:52 |
| Stskeeps | Gorith: did you go through care, or straight to optima? | 06:53 |
| Gorith | through care | 06:55 |
| Gorith | anyway, now it started | 06:55 |
| Gorith | need to check with more care later | 06:55 |
| Gorith | now i'm a little bit hurry to get to office | 06:55 |
| tango_ | sitting here in channel makes me feel bad because it looks like I'm the only one who hasn't had any problems with the jolla (so far ; fingers crossed) | 06:56 |
| tango_ | (also nya nya nya nya) | 06:56 |
| Nicd- | I had no problems for a long while | 06:57 |
| Teme | tango_: i've had a few restarts in the past but don't consider those problems | 06:57 |
| Teme | since every other device seems to do that too :P | 06:57 |
| tango_ | Teme: I would still consider those problems | 06:57 |
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| tango_ | _my_ problems are mostly with the android layer, such as the .5s lag in audio, which makes the game Pulse unplayable, or the fact that apparently the mic doesn't work in opera for android in webrtc pages | 06:58 |
| tango_ | I should probably find a better way to test the mic | 06:58 |
| tango_ | (and I don't have a talk-enabled sim) | 06:59 |
| Nicd- | but you got opera for android working? | 07:00 |
| tango_ | Nicd-: no problem at all | 07:00 |
| tango_ | Nicd-: why would that be a problem? | 07:00 |
| Nicd- | it didn't work when I tried in... december | 07:00 |
| Teme | i've got Opera Mobile rocking | 07:00 |
| Nicd- | though so didn't many other apps | 07:00 |
| Teme | dunno if that's the same one since there's multiple versions | 07:00 |
| tango_ | Nicd-: try the latest. at least the blink-based version works (i.e. Opera, not Opera Classic) | 07:01 |
| Teme | tango_: Opera Mobile = Opera for Android ? | 07:01 |
| Nicd- | Opera Mobile is the android version, Opera Mini is the small version for java applet phones | 07:01 |
| tango_ | Teme: no idea | 07:01 |
| Nicd- | I think | 07:01 |
| Teme | or is there a more full-fledged version | 07:01 |
| Bysmyyr | opera mobile is also for symbian | 07:01 |
| Teme | Nicd-: ok, that's what i thought also | 07:01 |
| tango_ | Teme: the one you get from www.opera.com/mobile | 07:02 |
| tango_ | I don't think there's an opera mini for android | 07:02 |
| Nicd- | wish they'd make a native version | 07:02 |
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| Nicd- | there was a native version for N900, it was nice | 07:03 |
| Stskeeps | there was a meego one but it was qt4 | 07:03 |
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| Nicd- | Opera was said to be part of the Sailfish Alliance (whatever that may be) so I really hoped Opera would provide a native browser | 07:13 |
| Nicd- | maybe when there are more Sailfish users | 07:13 |
| Stskeeps | well, there was, at some point, one, for the qt4+x11 setup | 07:13 |
| Stskeeps | but we had to make some tough decisions when we moved to qt5+wayland out of basic need | 07:14 |
| suy | tango_: there is an opera mini for android... I've got it from jolla's aptoide this week | 07:15 |
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| Teme | btw i used to love opera and use it as my main browser on all platforms.. but the new desktop Opera has been such a huge disappointment i'm afraid i'll have to start looking for other options :( | 07:21 |
| Nicd- | desktop Opera has been a disappointment after disappointment since 10.0 | 07:22 |
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| Teme | hmm, how come? | 07:22 |
| ar | opera12 was ok. but ever since they switched to webkit… | 07:22 |
| Teme | there have been a bunch of new features which i didn't get familiar with but all the sweet stuff was still there | 07:23 |
| Teme | ar: indeed.. i still use opera12 at work since it's still compatible with most sites | 07:23 |
| Teme | but at home for example youtube is unusable with the old rendering engine | 07:23 |
| Nicd- | tons of bugs, performance just became worse and worse. I had constant crashing with the flash plugin | 07:23 |
| Nicd- | I was amazed at how well chrome ran on my laptop when I changed from Opera 12.16 | 07:24 |
| Teme | Nicd-: oh, i've noticed no such things and i've used it sometimes with hunders of tabs open for weeks on end :o | 07:24 |
| Nicd- | since I like Chrome, I'm actually entirely ready to go back to Opera as soon as they get their shit together and fix syncing | 07:25 |
| ar | i love the old ui | 07:25 |
| Nicd- | because it's pretty much Chrome + speed dial (which is the best feature ever) | 07:25 |
| Teme | ar: i love the customizability of the old UI | 07:25 |
| ar | Teme: exactly | 07:26 |
| Teme | drag anything anywhere - unlike any other browser | 07:26 |
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| ar | there's also http://otter-browser.org/ | 07:26 |
| ar | but they haven't made a release yet | 07:26 |
| Nicd- | the customizability was nice, but I've found I don't really miss it | 07:26 |
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| Nicd- | I do miss the tab order in Opera though, when you closed a tab you went back to the one you had last open. in Chrome I never know which tab I return to | 07:27 |
| Teme | ar: yeah i've seen that but i have my doubts | 07:27 |
| Teme | Nicd-: one of the good things | 07:27 |
| Teme | also you could use mouse2+scrollwheel to cycle tabs | 07:27 |
| Teme | and ctrl+number on speed dial | 07:27 |
| Teme | and mouse1+mouse2 to use autologin (although i use keypass now which is superior) | 07:28 |
| Teme | i could go on all day for all the stuff they removed from the new version and just made it a cheap Chrome rip-off :P | 07:28 |
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| Nicd- | I remember using Opera back when it had ads with some Windows 3.11 theme. so hipster | 07:29 |
| ar | yeah, they got rid of ads around 8.54 or something like that | 07:30 |
| Teme | yeah, i'm a fairly young guy and remember the olden days when Opera still had ads :D | 07:30 |
| Nicd- | their syncing implementation was terrible though | 07:30 |
| Quu | netscape navigator <3 | 07:30 |
| Teme | Nicd-: syncing of what? | 07:31 |
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| Teme | you mean between Opera instances? | 07:31 |
| Nicd- | Teme: opera link. syncing of speed dial, passwords, bookmarks | 07:31 |
| Teme | yeah, ok | 07:32 |
| Pnuu | mosaic ftw | 07:32 |
| Nicd- | it always messed up and I ended up with duplicate bookmarks and the default speed dial synced over my own | 07:32 |
| Teme | i just remember that there was that but it was such a fancy feature i never got to using it | 07:32 |
| Nicd- | speed dial is what I miss most, I'm amazed that no other browser has it | 07:32 |
| Nicd- | and no, addons don't count | 07:33 |
| Teme | yep, but the new opera's speed dial is pretty crappy bc of no hotkeys :( | 07:33 |
| Teme | although the dynamic content from different sites is kinda cool | 07:33 |
| Teme | i mean the one where the TED's tile suggest a different highlighted talk every day | 07:33 |
| Teme | but the killer feature of old opera for me was the configurable search.. like "we foo" searches english wikipedia and "y foo" searches youtube etc | 07:35 |
| Teme | i never realized how awesome it was until i switched to the new version which lacks it | 07:35 |
| Teme | now i have to type "wiki foo suomi" and click on a link to see an article i need | 07:36 |
| Nicd- | chromium does that | 07:36 |
| Teme | or type "yout", hit enter, type the one i wanted in youtube search box and hit enter | 07:36 |
| Nicd- | sure you haven't just configured it? | 07:36 |
| Nicd- | I have all my search engines in chrome and chromium (and they sync across browsers) | 07:37 |
| Teme | i don't have chrome or chromium, using SRWare Iron which is a fork | 07:37 |
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| Nicd- | why srware? | 07:37 |
| Teme | because i don't want google stuff on it | 07:38 |
| Teme | no other reasons.. | 07:38 |
| Teme | Chromium i could think of using | 07:38 |
| Nicd- | now you have srware stuff on it | 07:38 |
| Teme | i don't have an account with them | 07:39 |
| Nicd- | about srware: http://www.insanitybit.com/2012/06/23/srware-iron-browser-a-real-private-alternative-to-chrome-21/ | 07:39 |
| Teme | but huge thanks, i never Chromium-likes have that search engine feature... | 07:40 |
| Teme | seems to work flawlessly | 07:40 |
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| Teme | i mean the reason i use Iron and not Chrome: i want to be logged in to my Google Account but don't want the browser to do anything with it | 07:41 |
| Teme | Chrome is pretty heavily integrated to your Google account | 07:41 |
| Nicd- | Iron is pretty much just Chromium + branding | 07:42 |
| Teme | and i use Opera for browsing, where i don't login to any sites | 07:42 |
| Nicd- | dunno why you're not using Chromium then | 07:42 |
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| Teme | yeah, i could think of using Chromium but am a bit lazy to make the switch now :D | 07:42 |
| Teme | just took up Iron when i needed a secondary browser and someone recommended it - never ran into problems so no need for action | 07:43 |
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| Teme | but with new Opera's crappiness i'm definitely going to make a change in my habits now | 07:43 |
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| Teme | Nicd-: how does Chromium sync search engines etc across browsers? | 07:46 |
| Teme | does it need a separate account of what | 07:47 |
| Nicd- | you can use your google account to sync | 07:47 |
| Teme | the option i do not want :) | 07:47 |
| Nicd- | of course it's optional, you just have no sync then | 07:47 |
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| Teme | ok - so there are no other ways | 07:47 |
| Nicd- | there are probably addons that enable you to sync with 3rd party services but I would trust them even less | 07:47 |
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| Nicd- | well, you always need some 3rd party there | 07:47 |
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| Nicd- | unless you code your own sync server and addons for it | 07:48 |
| Teme | yeah - i am just a bit paranoid to be logged on to google or facebook in a browser i use to browse the web | 07:48 |
| Teme | i like to keep it isolated so that i only use those services in another browser | 07:49 |
| Quu | who cares what kind of midget porn you watch | 07:50 |
| Teme | :D | 07:50 |
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| Teme | if it gets shared on Facebook i care | 07:50 |
| Teme | Facebook itself has those scams where you click on a link, you share it on your wall without any notification | 07:51 |
| Nicd- | that's why you watch midget porn in incognito mode | 07:51 |
| Nicd- | aka porn mode | 07:51 |
| Teme | not much to do if the link is on Facebook, but at least opening those links from anywhere else to a default browser does not do anything - same goes for Google account and G+ | 07:51 |
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| Teme | so, i'd rather trust a 3rd party which can't post on my social media walls or whatever | 07:53 |
| Teme | if i could somehow opt out of G+, that would be fine too | 07:54 |
| Nicd- | https://support.google.com/plus/answer/1044503?hl=en | 07:54 |
| Nicd- | there you go | 07:54 |
| Teme | a Google account can still post spammy links on other peoples G+ | 07:55 |
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| Nicd- | how about not just having a google account then? | 07:56 |
| Teme | Gmail and Drive are too awesome :D | 07:57 |
| Teme | and Google Checkout | 07:57 |
| Teme | i am not concerned of Google itself | 07:57 |
| Teme | or Facebook for that matter | 07:57 |
| Teme | but what logged in sessions can do when you visit a link by accident | 07:58 |
| Teme | has happened to me a few times with Facebook | 07:58 |
| Teme | so for now easier to just keep it isolated in a non-default browser and just live without sync i guess | 07:59 |
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| Nicd- | I just use incognito if I want to be hidden. I haven't had any problems with stuff being posted on my feed on accident | 08:00 |
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| * tango_ is still hoping for opera to open source presto | 08:07 | |
| Teme | i've had a few times friends asking me if it's legit that i posted a link to "$$$ overcoming casino odds! $$$" etc :/ | 08:07 |
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| Teme | dunno if i idly clicked something on FB or what happened | 08:07 |
| Teme | those things hide themselves pretty well too, you can't see it anywhere else but the activity log where you seem to have liked a scammy page | 08:08 |
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| Scelt | hey fellas, do someone know if Artem Marchenko is in here? | 09:00 |
| Nicd- | he sometimes is, with the nick artemma | 09:02 |
| tbr | sometimes, but haven't seen him in a while | 09:02 |
| tbr | 09:02:36-!- Irssi: The person with the nick artemma 2h 34m ago they were seen quitting on the channels #jollamobile, #mer, #nemomobile i #sailfishos with the message: Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… | 09:02 |
| Scelt | okaydokay, thanks | 09:03 |
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| Wnt | wow, Sfiet_Konstantin's patch manager and it's Control center and Swipe feedback patches are great! | 13:13 |
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| flanag | any "inside info" on the patch? today or the next Friday? | 13:14 |
| flanag | seems to be very quiet here again | 13:15 |
| roboro | Wnt: yep... sfiet deserves an award for patch manager | 13:16 |
| Wnt | roboro: and thank you for packaging the better-calllog for use with patchmanager! :) | 13:17 |
| roboro | Wnt: heh... no problem... I could probably improve the layout in that patch... it was a hurried thing... spacing is a little funky | 13:17 |
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| roboro | there are probably a whole load of minor interface improvements that can be made thanks to patchmanager | 13:18 |
| roboro | I guess the jolla folks should keep an eye on those patches... they may be worth incorporating | 13:19 |
| Wnt | yes definatelly | 13:19 |
| Wnt | at least similar functionality that could be configurable by the user | 13:19 |
| roboro | its a pity that it can only happen through an unofficial channel like openrepos... so the uptake is lower etc... but from the number of downloads of those patches, people are looking for this kind of stuff | 13:20 |
| Wnt | of course the user configurability might lead to have too much settings available to the user | 13:20 |
| roboro | true | 13:20 |
| roboro | its a balance | 13:20 |
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| Wnt | I also made a local patch some time ago to open the configuration of alarm when clicking on a alarm item in the clock app instead of enabling / disabling it | 13:21 |
| Wnt | and moved the enable / disable to the context menu | 13:21 |
| roboro | nice... | 13:22 |
| Wnt | maybe I should package that as a patchmanager package too | 13:22 |
| roboro | yeah... its pretty straightforward to do | 13:22 |
| Wnt | but I really don't like the OpenRepos :( | 13:22 |
| roboro | heh... I like it | 13:22 |
| Wnt | just installed it today as that was the recommended way of installing patchmanager | 13:22 |
| roboro | what do you have against it? | 13:22 |
| Wnt | that it's reputation based and no QA | 13:23 |
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| SK_work | roboro: if you improve layout, I will integrate it into stock patches | 13:23 |
| Wnt | so it's impossible to know if some package contains malware | 13:23 |
| roboro | SK_work: cool... I'll give it a few minutes this weekend | 13:23 |
| Wnt | or some security holes / excessive battery consumption due to not thinking things throuhg | 13:23 |
| roboro | Wnt: you have the same problem with harbour | 13:23 |
| roboro | binary blobs | 13:24 |
| roboro | no amount of qa from the harbour team can prevent this | 13:24 |
| SK_work | patchmanager cannot go in store due to store restrictions. And it can be understood: patches can break your system | 13:24 |
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| SK_work | they can leak info etc. | 13:24 |
| roboro | true | 13:24 |
| Wnt | hmm.. that's true | 13:25 |
| SK_work | I'm happy that PM do not have a widespread usage, and is used by people who know what they do | 13:25 |
| pdanek | Is keyboard-half support going to be integrated in official OS update? | 13:25 |
| SK_work | pdanek: dunno | 13:25 |
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| SK_work | and I'm still fighting a bug about AUSMT + PM, that it do not notify of a patch being installed | 13:25 |
| roboro | yeah... this is the strongest argument against openrepos... jolla can't track everything to make sure that an update doesn't break thanks to someone's repo | 13:26 |
| SK_work | this notification was a way to prevent malicious install of patches | 13:26 |
| SK_work | roboro: iirc openrepos was patched to prevent this | 13:26 |
| SK_work | thanks to basilS's work | 13:26 |
| roboro | SK_work: seriously? that's great | 13:26 |
| SK_work | the problem with niedlk's bash is gone | 13:26 |
| SK_work | (IIRC) | 13:26 |
| roboro | awesome | 13:27 |
| Wnt | one scary example scenario with open repos is that a computer of a popular developer gets compromised by a third party and the third party releases a new version of the application that does something harmful | 13:27 |
| SK_work | however, I will never widespread pandoran because of risk to break stuff | 13:27 |
| Wnt | e.g. bricks the device on next reboot | 13:27 |
| SK_work | Wnt: +1 | 13:27 |
| SK_work | peer review is here though | 13:27 |
| SK_work | but might not be enough | 13:27 |
| pdanek | So openrepos can no longer update packages which are from official Jolla repos? | 13:27 |
| roboro | I love the work that nielDK does... but I've been nervous of it since the problem with the previous update | 13:27 |
| roboro | good to know that I can enable his repo again :) | 13:28 |
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| SK_work | just changed my openrepos password :D | 13:29 |
| SK_work | what does nielDK provides actually | 13:29 |
| SK_work | never saw the benefits | 13:29 |
| SK_work | except qemu :D | 13:29 |
| roboro | does he have qemu in there? | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | in the ideal world he'd be just contribute it to mer | 13:30 |
| roboro | wow | 13:30 |
| Wnt | wow, there is a lot of packages at NielDK's repo https://openrepos.net/user/500/programs | 13:30 |
| roboro | yeah... he's just voracious at packaging standard linux apps for sailfish | 13:30 |
| tigeli | :D | 13:30 |
| roboro | not sure how he manages updates etc | 13:31 |
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| SK_work | Stskeeps: +1 | 13:34 |
| SK_work | Stskeeps: especially when sometimes he is doing overlapping work (think htop) | 13:35 |
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| roboro | SK_work: agreed... although I think its hard to determine what sort of packages belong to mer and what are just general packages that might not belong to core | 13:45 |
| SK_work | mer is just not a core, it can be much more (since it want to integrate Nemo soon) | 13:46 |
| roboro | true | 13:46 |
| roboro | the big question is whether nielDK bothers with ongoing package maintenance | 13:46 |
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| Waitee | hmm | 13:47 |
| Waitee | should i just factory reset my jolla | 13:47 |
| SK_work | if you don't maintain, basically, you shouldn't even package (IMO) | 13:47 |
| SK_work | Waitee: why ? | 13:47 |
| Waitee | twitter feed doesnt work anymore, settings -> apps -> email and the settings app crashes | 13:48 |
| Jupp3 | I got some seemingly random crashes too | 13:48 |
| Jupp3 | And after they happen, they seem to happen for a while | 13:48 |
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| Jupp3 | Did a factory reset some time ago, and thought it went away, but still seems to happen... Often with camera | 13:49 |
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| SK_work | :/ | 13:53 |
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| flanag | wth | 13:58 |
| flanag | I went into settings, got out of there with a side swipe.. now I've got two settings covers on the home screen | 13:58 |
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| flanag | never seen this before :) | 13:59 |
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| roboro | two for the price of one | 14:03 |
| SK_work | :D | 14:03 |
| SK_work | flanag: did you launched one without invoker ? | 14:03 |
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| flanag | I don't know what you mean by an invoker but the settings was already open in the background (only app that was) and then I tapped on the cover and checked for a update in the "about the device" (or whatever the translation is) and then swiped back to home from the side | 14:05 |
| flanag | *an update | 14:05 |
| flanag | SK_work: I don't know if that answers the question | 14:06 |
| SK_work | hum ... | 14:06 |
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| SK_work | don't knoq either | 14:06 |
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| NickLeu | has anyone succeed to port an input method to sailfish? | 14:45 |
| Stskeeps | i think arthursomething and others did | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | it's maliit framework | 14:46 |
| NickLeu | as i remember someone has developed a japanese one | 14:46 |
| NickLeu | i am trying to do so | 14:46 |
| NickLeu | currently cjk input is laggy | 14:47 |
| Stskeeps | maybe participate in http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91917 | 14:48 |
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| NickLeu | thanks man | 14:49 |
| TMavica | stskeeps | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | moo | 14:50 |
| NickLeu | but before jolla ship to hong kong i'll have to wait.. | 14:50 |
| TMavica | have any jolla worker tried that quick input keyboard? | 14:50 |
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| TMavica | Nickleu u r Hong Kong? | 14:50 |
| NickLeu | near | 14:50 |
| TMavica | Japan@@? | 14:50 |
| Stskeeps | i should really go visit hong kong again sometime.. | 14:51 |
| TMavica | stskeeps i know u will when Jolla announce there | 14:51 |
| TMavica | LOL | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | well | 14:51 |
| TMavica | i got some source is 20/5 | 14:51 |
| NickLeu | someone calims that jolla will ship to hk on 20/5 | 14:51 |
| TMavica | u r right | 14:51 |
| NickLeu | so that's true? | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | i don't get the luxury of being a mandatory participants in any launches | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | plus i have a small 9 month old son so :) | 14:52 |
| TMavica | Nickleu should be | 14:52 |
| Scelt | Stskeeps: +1, sons are great | 14:52 |
| TMavica | stskeep, bring him come to have hotpot | 14:52 |
| NickLeu | wow | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | i did enjoy the food there quite a lot :) | 14:52 |
| TMavica | LOL | 14:53 |
| TMavica | sure | 14:53 |
| __pv | anthy port is https://github.com/BeholdMyGlory --- it however has some difficult-to-debug crashes in anthy.commit_segment (iirc) | 14:53 |
| NickLeu | i clone that an d trying to figure out how it works | 14:53 |
| TMavica | in china, many ppl claim that why only release in Hong Kong | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | think we | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | 'd be popular in hong kong? | 14:54 |
| TMavica | To be honese stskeeps, NO... | 14:55 |
| TMavica | honest | 14:55 |
| NickLeu | my friend in hk tells me that he never heard of it | 14:55 |
| TMavica | Nearly most Hong Kongers dont know and heard what is Jolla | 14:55 |
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| SK_work | TMavica: honestly: most of the people outside FI | 14:56 |
| SK_work | :) | 14:56 |
| TMavica | They only know Samsung and Apple | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | okay, let me rephrase it | 14:56 |
| kimmoli | not even everyone in FIN | 14:56 |
| SK_work | at least I can impress people with my Jolla in FR | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | if there is more and more people getting passionate about it, could it be popular? | 14:56 |
| TMavica | Hong Kong is flooded with Samsung and Apple | 14:56 |
| NickLeu | they have 3 apple retail store in hk! | 14:56 |
| TMavica | Stskeeps, difficulty... | 14:56 |
| NickLeu | such a small place | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | remember that 100.000 is a lot for a small company ;) | 14:56 |
| TMavica | Nickleu....yes | 14:56 |
| SK_work | Stskeeps: I think that it might be too expensive for the HW (right now) | 14:57 |
| TMavica | small city with 3 Apple shop...coming 4th one in Tsim Sha Tsui | 14:57 |
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| TMavica | In the world, Iphone is cheapest is Hong Kong | 14:57 |
| NickLeu | just got my ipad there | 14:57 |
| SK_work | TMavica: not only iPhones, all consumer electronics | 14:58 |
| NickLeu | at causeway bay | 14:58 |
| TMavica | YA! | 14:58 |
| SK_work | bought a Nikon D80 there | 14:58 |
| TMavica | all product is cheap | 14:58 |
| TMavica | I heard Jolla will sell 3500 HKD there | 14:58 |
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| NickLeu | so they have some kind of tax in finland? | 14:58 |
| TMavica | 3500 HKD = 340 euro | 14:58 |
| NickLeu | 3500 HKD is totally acceptable | 14:59 |
| TMavica | mostly is this price | 14:59 |
| TMavica | 3499 HKD | 14:59 |
| TMavica | MOSTLY | 14:59 |
| TMavica | extremely cheap | 15:00 |
| NickLeu | can't expect too much discount | 15:00 |
| TMavica | $3500 compare with others phone is extremely cheap | 15:00 |
| TMavica | I am thinking about buy many many Jolla, then sell in china in higher price, LOL | 15:01 |
| Stskeeps | that's interesting, considering that it's considered a bit expensive in europe | 15:01 |
| Swan_Z | ... | 15:01 |
| Stskeeps | and you guys have 30 USD 3g phones :P | 15:01 |
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| TMavica | sell to china guy is a big business and good profit, LOL | 15:01 |
| SK_work | Stskeeps: maybe NickLeu and TMavica don't represent the general opinion in HK | 15:02 |
| SK_work | TMavica: China is a different topic | 15:02 |
| TMavica | SK_work, YES | 15:02 |
| SK_work | they have 100$ 3G phones with 4 cores 2 gig ram | 15:02 |
| SK_work | 200$ = 4G :D | 15:02 |
| TMavica | SK_WORK YES! | 15:02 |
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| NickLeu | in China native brand phones are really cheap | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | are phones more expensive in HK typically? | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, shenzhen is practically next door.. | 15:02 |
| SK_work | imo SFOS for Android makes sense a lot in china | 15:03 |
| NickLeu | phones in HK is chaep | 15:03 |
| TMavica | Miui | 15:03 |
| TMavica | Miui most hit | 15:03 |
| Swan_Z | xiaomi... | 15:03 |
| TMavica | in Hong Kong too | 15:03 |
| TMavica | LOL | 15:03 |
| NickLeu | miui got a lot of fans in china | 15:03 |
| TMavica | Hong Kongers buy them from Taobao | 15:03 |
| SK_work | MIUI is an institution in china | 15:03 |
| SK_work | it's actually really good | 15:04 |
| SK_work | both phones and ROMs | 15:04 |
| NickLeu | only when you have 2 gig ram... | 15:04 |
| TMavica | I wont use China product because the quality... | 15:04 |
| SK_work | for a non-swipe, non-multitask OS, MIUI is really really good | 15:04 |
| NickLeu | on 1 gig ram it's somehow laggy | 15:04 |
| NickLeu | i had one | 15:04 |
| SK_work | though the UI cannot be compared to eg SFOS, BB10 | 15:04 |
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| SK_work | NickLeu: I had MIUI on a SGS2 | 15:04 |
| SK_work | it worked like a charm | 15:04 |
| TMavica | Just want to know how Jolla can be fight with them there.... | 15:05 |
| TMavica | it really difficulty | 15:05 |
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| NickLeu | guys know jolla almost just dont care about price | 15:05 |
| NickLeu | that's how it works | 15:05 |
| TMavica | I am the few people consider Jolla.. | 15:05 |
| TMavica | I CAN said the girl not interest in it | 15:06 |
| TMavica | it is 100% sure | 15:06 |
| SK_work | NickLeu: but they are not much | 15:06 |
| Swan_Z | jolla? | 15:06 |
| NickLeu | yeah just a few | 15:06 |
| SK_work | people considering Jolla are the old N9(00) fans | 15:06 |
| TMavica | ya | 15:06 |
| SK_work | meaning: not much | 15:07 |
| TMavica | and really is few % | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | TMavica: my wife has a jolla, of course, she may be biased, but she enjoys it a lot | 15:07 |
| NickLeu | actually i do know a girl interested in jolla | 15:07 |
| TMavica | stskeeps, different country... | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, that may be so | 15:07 |
| roboro | you lie... nobody on the internet knows a girl :P | 15:07 |
| TMavica | so i really want know how to fight with them... | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | roboro: i'm as shocked as you are that i got married | 15:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:08 |
| NickLeu | we'll see | 15:08 |
| sjtoik | every girl in internet is just another man roleplaying a chick | 15:08 |
| * roboro makes an oldschool joke | 15:08 | |
| TMavica | except many advertisement in TV and newspaper, MTR station etc | 15:08 |
| NickLeu | TMavica you in HK> | 15:08 |
| NickLeu | ? | 15:08 |
| TMavica | sure | 15:08 |
| TMavica | i am | 15:08 |
| TMavica | I am Hong Konger using Jolla | 15:08 |
| NickLeu | wow | 15:08 |
| TMavica | i should be only one here | 15:08 |
| NickLeu | you post at golden? | 15:08 |
| TMavica | LOL | 15:09 |
| roboro | TMavica: is the FIRST | 15:09 |
| TMavica | i am cdrom in hkgolden | 15:09 |
| TMavica | hkgolden is danger | 15:09 |
| NickLeu | google that | 15:09 |
| TMavica | LOL | 15:09 |
| TMavica | u know | 15:09 |
| NickLeu | lol | 15:09 |
| TMavica | u r hk? | 15:09 |
| NickLeu | no .广东:) | 15:10 |
| TMavica | c.. | 15:10 |
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| TMavica | is that true 20/5 sell in HK? | 15:10 |
| NickLeu | dont know | 15:10 |
| TMavica | i think 95% right | 15:10 |
| NickLeu | hope it's | 15:10 |
| TMavica | lets see | 15:11 |
| NickLeu | hope i'd be there when they launch | 15:11 |
| TMavica | i heard is sell in operator | 15:11 |
| TMavica | not broadway or fortress | 15:11 |
| NickLeu | that's a trouble to me... | 15:12 |
| TMavica | YA | 15:12 |
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| TMavica | and online sell | 15:12 |
| TMavica | online sell and operator | 15:12 |
| TMavica | same as iphone | 15:12 |
| NickLeu | online may works | 15:12 |
| TMavica | when launch | 15:12 |
| NickLeu | see if i can find some frd to help me | 15:12 |
| TMavica | it is a good business, LOL | 15:13 |
| TMavica | I have a HK friends is female using Jolla | 15:14 |
| TMavica | not AMANDA | 15:14 |
| TMavica | LOL | 15:14 |
| SK_work | TMavica: not Amanda ? | 15:14 |
| SK_work | IIRC Amanda have a Jolla | 15:14 |
| SK_work | but I might be wrong | 15:14 |
| TMavica | u know who is Amanda..? | 15:14 |
| SK_work | (AmandaLam) | 15:14 |
| TMavica | no, she dont have | 15:14 |
| SK_work | ah ? :( | 15:14 |
| TMavica | i meet her last month | 15:14 |
| SK_work | I think she should be interested | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | i have two.. | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:15 |
| SK_work | TMavica: I know her from N950Club | 15:15 |
| SK_work | Stskeeps: I have ... 3 | 15:15 |
| SK_work | eeh wait | 15:15 |
| SK_work | na :D | 15:15 |
| TMavica | she test my Jolla, she want it long time, but no method | 15:15 |
| TMavica | no method to buy | 15:15 |
| SK_work | TMavica: well, limited distribution hurts both Jolla and consumers | 15:15 |
| TMavica | yes | 15:15 |
| TMavica | I buy in when i trip in London | 15:15 |
| SK_work | but it's hard for Jolla to distribute away from EU I guess | 15:15 |
| SK_work | TMavica: well played | 15:16 |
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| TMavica | SURE | 15:16 |
| TMavica | amanda will move to use Jolla | 15:16 |
| TMavica | she give up wp. | 15:16 |
| TMavica | LOL | 15:16 |
| TMavica | Nokia should be | 15:16 |
| TMavica | a good moving | 15:17 |
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| NickLeu | actually i am considering to port rime to sailfish, but it's too powerful for mobile OS | 15:18 |
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| Stskeeps | rime? | 15:19 |
| SK_work | NickLeu: rime ? | 15:19 |
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| NickLeu | a input engine for chinese | 15:19 |
| Pnuu | too powerful? | 15:19 |
| NickLeu | https://code.google.com/p/rimeime/ | 15:19 |
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| NickLeu | i mean i'll have to cut insize | 15:19 |
| TMavica | Nickleu , why no one developer chinese input in china? | 15:19 |
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| NickLeu | dont know | 15:20 |
| TMavica | i know there is people already got Jolla | 15:20 |
| NickLeu | again few fans here | 15:20 |
| NickLeu | and they dont know about coding | 15:20 |
| TMavica | Jolla Baidu got many fans I see | 15:20 |
| NickLeu | no more than 5 got a jolla | 15:20 |
| NickLeu | i guess | 15:20 |
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| NickLeu | rime works for all who type Chinese so i am pretty excited to do so | 15:21 |
| NickLeu | but it's really a tough job | 15:21 |
| TMavica | not so tough i think | 15:21 |
| TMavica | my fd made it so fast | 15:22 |
| TMavica | the traditional chinese input | 15:22 |
| TMavica | it worked super well | 15:22 |
| NickLeu | it's too complex to me | 15:22 |
| TMavica | nil defect | 15:22 |
| TMavica | u need make a database of chinese word | 15:23 |
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| NickLeu | i think i just need to make it work on saifish | 15:23 |
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| NickLeu | given that it's been port to fcitx in a similar method | 15:24 |
| __pv | if it works on linux, probably not much porting needed. the sailfish anthy im wrappers are not very complicated either | 15:26 |
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| salami` | my jolla crashes always when I update my emails, anybody else having the same issue? | 17:41 |
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| Waitee | salami`: my settings app crashes if i try to access email settings | 18:23 |
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| Gorith | ah, no rebooting in a about hour of use, so hopefully the new fixed the problem and the crash right after the service was just bad luck or something :) | 20:59 |
| Gorith | let's see | 20:59 |
| Gorith | new battery... | 20:59 |
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| Eyea | Jolla )0!1@ )0h | 21:18 |
| Eyea | how is everyone | 21:18 |
| Turski | looks like my server is still fine | 21:20 |
| Eyea | )0!1@ | 21:21 |
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| Turski | didn't even have to update any configs | 21:21 |
| Turski | i'm a bit surprised since it's running arch and last upgrade was 90 days ago | 21:22 |
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| FireFly | Eyea: is that sequence supposed to render as something? | 21:55 |
| Eyea | jolla | 21:56 |
| Yaniel | looks like veeeery over-the-top 1337sp34k | 21:59 |
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| msknight | HI, need some help with Jolla after restoring a backup. | 22:20 |
| msknight | Phone came back from repair. Put it in to dev mode, restored the backup, but the "mail" application is not showing an inbox. | 22:20 |
| msknight | I can compose and send a mail successfully, but it won't show an inbox and can't get any mails waiting for it. | 22:20 |
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| Kabouik_ | Hey TMO folks, can somebody answer me by MP about the following off-topic question: is it relevant to use a Nokia E7 in 2014 if you never used a smartphone in your life, have 100€, and don't want a low-end Androphone (plus Android is messy, don't want it)? It's for a related. | 23:13 |
| Turski | at least don't pay 100€ for E7 | 23:15 |
| Kabouik_ | Well it's that or a Nokia Asha 210 at 68€, the difference is not steep but the content of the phone is :/ | 23:15 |
| Turski | you can get E7 for 40€ | 23:16 |
| Kabouik_ | Used? | 23:16 |
| Turski | yeah | 23:16 |
| Kabouik_ | I will need an Azerty, might be trickier to get, but good advice | 23:16 |
| Kabouik_ | And do you think it would be a nice introduction to the smartphone world? Symbian is kind of rigid I know (never used it though), but for someone coming from a Samsung Player... | 23:17 |
| Turski | i would rather get N900 :) | 23:17 |
| Kabouik_ | Not sure she would be able to deal with the extra, extra-devel and so on. Sure she wouldn't actually | 23:18 |
| Turski | but i don't want to recommend symbian for anyone | 23:18 |
| Turski | but also wouldn't recommend android | 23:19 |
| Turski | or actually anything alse than meego or sailfish :P | 23:19 |
| Kabouik_ | I think she will need something ready-to-use from the default firmware and OS installation, the N900 is awesome, but needs a bit of work to reveal its full power | 23:19 |
| Kabouik_ | Yeah, exactly the same for me! But the money is not there for Sailfish/Meego, and Maemo is too much work, I would need to prepare the device :( | 23:19 |
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| Turski | my last experience of symbian is from about five years ago, and i've never had android or ios or windows phone... or anything else than maemo/sailfish | 23:21 |
| Kabouik_ | E7 is from 2011, slight hope! :P | 23:22 |
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| Kabouik_ | Or an N9 16 GB for about 140€. :< | 23:27 |
| Kabouik_ | But no keyboard is a bad thing for her | 23:27 |
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