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| keithzg | Where are the playlists in the Media app stored? In the tracker database, or in discrete files elsewhere? | 00:58 |
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| keithzg | Hmm I see an "nmm:playlist" table but it's empty. | 01:22 |
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| keithzg | Oh wait, there's a playlist folder in ~/Music and they're saved as .pls files, haha, how did I overlook that? That's perfect. Yet again I find myself appreciating the choices in SailfishOS :) | 01:24 |
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| william_gen | hi,guys | 02:24 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 07:09 |
| Nicd- | morning | 07:09 |
| Nicd- | the best way to start a saturday is sailfish app development in the morning | 07:10 |
| Stskeeps | i'd say coffee, but each to his own .. :) | 07:10 |
| Nicd- | refactored all my logic into javascript files | 07:12 |
| Nicd- | hopefully now I can gather them into a central place instead of being hidden in all the qml pages | 07:13 |
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| william_gen | hi,who know when next EA(EA3) for nexus4 will pubilish? | 08:31 |
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| flux | nice, this woudln't even need a custom ToH to add proper camera button to jolla :P : http://gizmodo.com/this-sticker-adds-four-customizable-buttons-to-your-and-1569199202 | 08:45 |
| flux | (well, it wouldn't give that, but I suppose that sticker can be nice fo some uses) | 08:45 |
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| tbr | william_gen: usually when the next sailfish version comes out, so monthly, so in a week or two, I'd guess | 08:57 |
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| william_gen | 1.0.5.16-->EA2,but 1.0.5.19 no EA3 | 09:14 |
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| Stskeeps | william_gen: ah, it just has mms fixes | 09:19 |
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| Kiranos | hm im on windows7 and latest jolla fw, how can the usb say not connected at present but still draw power from the usb connection? :P | 10:49 |
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| Waitee | i have several usb cables and only some of them work with jolla | 10:52 |
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| Kiranos | hm ok will have to try another one from work | 11:13 |
| Kiranos | Waitee: thanks | 11:13 |
| Waitee | not sure if some of them are broken :D | 11:13 |
| Kiranos | yea mine aint broken though, it works with my chromecast and the phone currently charges through it | 11:14 |
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| Kiranos | hm now I did always ask and reconnected, it let me choose which mode but when I took connect to pc it didnt take | 11:15 |
| Kiranos | will turn it off and retry | 11:16 |
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| Stskeeps | worst things about cleaning your office table: when there's devices you can't seem to find | 12:19 |
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| M4rtinK | even worse if you still can SSH to them :) | 12:47 |
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| tbr | M4rtinK: don't remind me... | 13:01 |
| tbr | M4rtinK: though if they have some sort of speaker you can make them squeak. ;) | 13:02 |
| kimmoli | gst-launch-0.10 filesrc location=/home/nemo/whitenoise.wav ! wavparse ! audioconvert ! alsasink | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: fuck! now i realized where it was | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | ssh'ed to it earlier and i realized.. it was on balcony doing gps tests | 13:14 |
| tbr | :D | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | i think it might be dead | 13:14 |
| tbr | rain? | 13:14 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: | 13:15 |
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| ggabriel | Stskeeps: borrow wife's hair dryer :) | 13:15 |
| tbr | biig pack of rice | 13:16 |
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| ggabriel | tbr: ah, neat trick | 13:17 |
| tbr | taking it apart certainly helps too | 13:18 |
| Stskeeps | didn't try to power it up | 13:18 |
| * ggabriel remembers his resurrected-after-rain first nokia | 13:18 | |
| Yaniel | Stskeeps: sailfish app development does not imply coffee? | 13:19 |
| kimmoli | overnight in rice (non-cooked) works - tested after asfa gone in toilet... it was tempting to flush though | 13:19 |
| kimmoli | *asha | 13:20 |
| tbr | :D | 13:20 |
| ggabriel | kimmoli: lol | 13:22 |
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| raa70 | =) | 13:32 |
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| Anz_ | hei. how does the jolla browser user agent shown on facebook? is it like 'firefox on linux' ?? | 13:35 |
| Teme | why would it be specific to facebook? | 13:37 |
| Anz_ | jolla asked to re validate facebook account and on entering tje password, asked to review a login from | 13:37 |
| Teme | seems to be Firefox 29 on Linux | 13:37 |
| tbr | facebook might think that as the engine is gecko and the useragent probably contains a "like foo bar" | 13:38 |
| Teme | thismachine.info follows that logic too | 13:38 |
| Anz_ | ok. thanks | 13:39 |
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| coderus | Mitakuuluu v0.6-7 released. Download: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/mitakuuluu Changelog: https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/releases/tag/v0.6-7 | 14:53 |
| Waitee | yay | 15:14 |
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| Waitee | it's kinda funny that mitäkuuluu is propably the #1 3rd party app available for jolla and it's not downloadable through the jolla store | 15:21 |
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| RzR | hi is there a git client for sfos ? | 15:30 |
| M4rtinK | Waitee: well, it is not the only one :) | 15:30 |
| Waitee | M4rtinK: true, and i know it's because of the policy for jolla store or something | 15:31 |
| M4rtinK | Waitee: even the foursquare client (FourSail) that is even used by Jolla people is not in the store :) | 15:31 |
| vgrade | RzR: git cli is on device | 15:31 |
| M4rtinK | Waitee: yeah, exactly | 15:31 |
| M4rtinK | Waitee: should get better once Qt 5.2 is in | 15:31 |
| Waitee | okay | 15:31 |
| M4rtinK | Waitee: but I still think Jolla should have made an exception for the most popular apps provided their authors don't mind the possibility of the app breaking due to update | 15:32 |
| M4rtinK | Waitee: or if authors were fine with fixing the app before an update | 15:32 |
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| RzR | vgrade, stupid me :) | 15:39 |
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| kalamadn1s | coderus: my mitakuuluu seems to go offline randomly without any notice. so after a while i check it and when there is no messages, i restart it and then get tons of messages that weren't delivered earlier... it has been doing this at least for the 2 latest versions. (haven't installed the 0.6-7 yet) | 15:42 |
| Nicd- | coderus's speed of development is insane | 15:43 |
| kalamadn1s | yes it is :) great job! | 15:44 |
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| coderus | kalamadn1s: its Sailfish feature | 15:47 |
| coderus | you should enjoy it :) | 15:47 |
| Nicd- | my mitakuuluu has done that only once | 15:48 |
| kalamadn1s | aaah nice :) | 15:48 |
| Nicd- | all other times the messages are received instantly | 15:48 |
| kalamadn1s | i've had it quite many times now... well i can live with it :) | 15:49 |
| coderus | kalamadn1s: add email with automatic sync and all will be okay :) | 15:51 |
| kalamadn1s | ok, thx! | 15:53 |
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| louisdk | Anyone tried Snapchat on Jolla? | 16:33 |
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| petantik | I have it, but not treied it yet. | 16:56 |
| Yaniel | wtf is this | 16:56 |
| Yaniel | on my jolla, I 1) don't have fdisk 2) have mkfs.btrfs but no others | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | Yaniel: hmmm | 16:57 |
| Nicd- | Yaniel: install them from mer-tools? | 16:57 |
| Yaniel | not found | 16:57 |
| Nicd- | I think I have mkfs.vfat from there | 16:57 |
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| Stskeeps | Yaniel: [root@Jolla nemo]# rpm -qf /sbin/fdisk | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | util-linux-2.22.2-1.1.2.armv7hl | 17:14 |
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| Yaniel | hmm I'm pretty sure I didn't see it a moment ago | 17:17 |
| Yaniel | oh well | 17:18 |
| Yaniel | they are all there now | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | maybe $PATH? | 17:18 |
| Yaniel | yeah it does not have /sbin | 17:18 |
| Yaniel | only /usr/sbin and /usr/local/sbin | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 17:19 |
| Yaniel | is PATH inherited over SSH connections? | 17:20 |
| Stskeeps | no but there's some oddity there i think | 17:20 |
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| stephg | Yaniel: devel-su or something else? /sbin is the first entry in my path if I'm root | 17:29 |
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| stephg | and you should also have a slew of mkfs.* commands, though iirc Stskeeps is correct about dosfsutils or whatever it's called being in mer-tools | 17:30 |
| stephg | dosfstools | 17:30 |
| stephg | e2fsprogs for most of the others | 17:31 |
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| Yaniel | just as nemo | 17:37 |
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| stephg | yup not in nemo's path by default | 17:37 |
| Yaniel | but why is mkfs.btrfs? | 17:38 |
| stephg | I don't have an explanation other than the btrfs-progs package maintainer put it there | 17:40 |
| stephg | do an rpm -ql btrfs-progs; rpm -ql e2fsprogs; to see what's where | 17:40 |
| stephg | i.e. the rest of them are in /sbin, but the btrfs devs put it in /usr/sbin which is in nemo's path | 17:41 |
| stephg | cue a long philosophical argument as to which system utils need to be where and why ;) | 17:42 |
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| Yaniel | bleh | 17:44 |
| stephg | hehe | 17:44 |
| stephg | you love it really | 17:44 |
| Yaniel | I don't even have a /sbin on my pc | 17:46 |
| stephg | really? that strikes me as a bit odd, which OS? | 17:47 |
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| Yaniel | arch linux | 17:53 |
| Yaniel | well technically there is /sbin but it is just a symlink to /usr/bin | 17:53 |
| stephg | ah | 17:53 |
| Nicd- | that's what the arch maintainers decided to do | 17:53 |
| Nicd- | they merged all the dirs | 17:54 |
| stephg | yesh | 17:54 |
| stephg | it's an outmoded concept now really | 17:54 |
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| Stskeeps | silly usability question | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | lastucase | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | aren't you afraid somebody will steal it if you put it in places, like on a table, like you'd do with a mobile device? | 19:04 |
| tbr | huh? | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | well, it has your credit cards in it, as an example, or money | 19:12 |
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| tbr | ah, I didn't bother looking into that | 19:17 |
| M4rtinK | so it is not just a piece of wood ? | 19:17 |
| M4rtinK | I though lastucase == that weird wooden TOH | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | no, it's a credit card case too | 19:18 |
| * tbr missed that | 19:18 | |
| tbr | also thought it's just a wooden case | 19:19 |
| M4rtinK | oh | 19:21 |
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| Stskeeps | http://lastucase.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/LastuCase-for-iPhone-55s-Kaamos-Inside-300x300.jpg being iphone variant | 19:27 |
| osaton | i just keep my lunch card in it, so it's not a big problem | 19:29 |
| osaton | and it's usually in my pocket | 19:29 |
| osaton | and it's awesome | 19:29 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: | 19:31 |
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| ShadowJK | Arent you afraid somebody will steal it if you put it in places, like on a table? | 20:22 |
| ShadowJK | That would equally apply to wallets :) | 20:22 |
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| ShadowJK | ... except I probably do that with wallet more often than with phone | 20:22 |
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| Aard | ShadowJK: we're in finland... :p | 20:36 |
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| meek_geek | guys one question | 21:23 |
| meek_geek | Howz the Jolla Phone's display ? | 21:24 |
| meek_geek | In the world of 1080p where does the qHD based Jolla stand ? | 21:24 |
| * tbr almost never feels that | 21:25 | |
| * Yaniel sees pixels... when looking really closely | 21:25 | |
| tbr | and I have a 1080 device next to it quite often | 21:26 |
| Yaniel | and there are relatively sharp high-contrast lines | 21:26 |
| * Skorpy personally doesn't see the point of high res display on a phone. | 21:26 | |
| Yaniel | high dpi > high res IMO | 21:26 |
| Yaniel | although the former kind of implies the latter | 21:26 |
| Skorpy | yeah | 21:26 |
| Skorpy | I still don't see why they are needed. | 21:27 |
| Yaniel | text is generally much nicer to read at a high dpi | 21:27 |
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| Yaniel | (says the guy who uses a bitmap font in his irc terminal) | 21:28 |
| Skorpy | ^ | 21:28 |
| slate | fixedsys or go home | 21:28 |
| slate | ;) | 21:28 |
| Yaniel | Terminus IYF | 21:28 |
| meek_geek | Ok | 21:28 |
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| Tegu | so if really you want 1080p, jolla is out of question | 21:29 |
| Yaniel | meek_geek: basically it is "good enough" as is | 21:30 |
| Yaniel | unless you specifically want 1080p | 21:30 |
| Tegu | though usually the ones with 1080p are a bit larger | 21:30 |
| Tegu | like 5 inches or over | 21:30 |
| Tegu | (maybe there are smaller) | 21:30 |
| slate | IMO its "ok" when you get used to it. Just dont use a better one a second. | 21:31 |
| meek_geek | Yaniel, qHD good enough ? you sure ? | 21:32 |
| Yaniel | for all I care so far, yes | 21:33 |
| Yaniel | I wouldn't mind a smaller screen with the same resolution though | 21:33 |
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| meek_geek | Yaniel, but jolla is premium phone | 21:42 |
| slate | mid-priced | 21:43 |
| slate | not premium | 21:43 |
| Yaniel | I bought it because of the SW, not the HW | 21:43 |
| Yaniel | the HW could be better yes | 21:44 |
| slate | I bought it because of the SW, sold it because of the HW | 21:44 |
| Yaniel | but for me it is sufficient for now | 21:44 |
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| Tegu | tbh, it's slightly overpriced, which can only be justified if you want to support the company (imho, ofc) | 21:46 |
| Yaniel | ^ | 21:46 |
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| meek_geek | Yaniel, Tegu I see that the project does not accept donations | 21:46 |
| slate | I'd pay the licenses to get it run 100% on nexus 5 HW | 21:46 |
| Yaniel | I thought of it a bit like a kickstarter project | 21:47 |
| Yaniel | meek_geek: it is a company. they get money by selling phones (and hopefully soon from licensing the OS) | 21:48 |
| Yaniel | but you can contribute to the underlying opensource projects if you want | 21:48 |
| Yaniel | mer and nemo that is | 21:48 |
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| meek_geek | Yaniel, yes sir I do not earn a lot .. I struggle and just happen to survive and live | 21:52 |
| meek_geek | I earn 175 GBP for now | 21:52 |
| meek_geek | every month | 21:52 |
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| meek_geek | and just happen to live | 21:53 |
| Tegu | you'd better not waste it to any kind of smartphones then, I guess.. | 21:53 |
| meek_geek | ya | 21:53 |
| meek_geek | I think so | 21:53 |
| meek_geek | I get to pay my electricity bill and apartment rent | 21:53 |
| meek_geek | and for my food | 21:54 |
| meek_geek | and I save 10 GBP yet! | 21:54 |
| meek_geek | :] | 21:54 |
| Yaniel | yeah the jolla might not exactly be suited for you just yet then | 21:54 |
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| Yaniel | but if you want to support them, by all means, see if there is something you are interested in doing for those OSS projects | 21:55 |
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| meek_geek | Yaniel, I would buy a Revolution Phone for half the price and use Sailfish OS as they would put it on their cellphone its the phone where you get to install any community based OS | 21:59 |
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| Yaniel | oh right | 22:04 |
| Yaniel | r(e)synced my music collection | 22:04 |
| Yaniel | now I have to play tracker golf to get all of it to actually show up in media player again | 22:04 |
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| Yaniel | is there a package I can install for additional terminfo files? | 22:11 |
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| Yaniel | looks like rxvt-unicode and rxvt-unicode-256color are missing by default | 22:11 |
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| meek_geek | hi | 22:25 |
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| Yaniel | umh | 22:56 |
| Yaniel | someone care to explain why tracker decided that the album cover for the trine 2 soundtrack is the file called "trine_2_ost_back_cover.jpg" and not "cover.jpg"? | 22:57 |
| Yaniel | (not it does not match the folder name) | 22:57 |
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| M4rtinK | biggest filename wins! :) | 23:01 |
| M4rtinK | but yeah, the cover selection is sometimes rather strange | 23:01 |
| M4rtinK | not only on the Jolla though | 23:02 |
| Yaniel | at least it seems it didn't omit (many) songs from the music library this time | 23:03 |
| Yaniel | .m4a embedded covers are still missing | 23:04 |
| Yaniel | and then there are some covers that don't show up in the album/artist list | 23:04 |
| Yaniel | but do show up in the album view | 23:05 |
| slate | spotify ftw. | 23:05 |
| Yaniel | meh | 23:06 |
| slate | :) | 23:06 |
| Yaniel | sure it is a nice thing to have around | 23:06 |
| Yaniel | but I prefer my physical disks (read: the flacs ripped from those) | 23:06 |
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| Yaniel | :( found a couple of incomplete albums aafter all | 23:12 |
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| Dridk-sailfish | rss client is the best apps of jolla | 23:39 |
| Yaniel | which one? | 23:39 |
| * Yaniel only used Tidings | 23:40 | |
| Dridk-sailfish | "irc for jolla 0.5" | 23:40 |
| Dridk-sailfish | it makes me understrand the strange sailfish ui | 23:41 |
| Yaniel | aka communi-sailfish | 23:41 |
| Turski | Dridk-sailfish: except that it uses some non-standard elements afaik | 23:49 |
| Dridk-sailfish | Turski: like what? | 23:50 |
| Turski | Dridk-sailfish: wait a minute, were you talking about rss-client or irc-client? | 23:50 |
| Dridk-sailfish | irc | 23:50 |
| Dridk-sailfish | arf... | 23:50 |
| Dridk-sailfish | sorry... i wrote rss instead irc | 23:51 |
| Turski | Dridk-sailfish: doesn't it have some fancy side-pulley-menus | 23:51 |
| Turski | haven't tried it myself, but i've seen the video about it | 23:51 |
| Dridk-sailfish | yes. they are left and right pull | 23:52 |
| Turski | yep, those are not silica elements | 23:52 |
| Turski | and you can't find them from any other app | 23:52 |
| Dridk-sailfish | ok.. | 23:53 |
| Turski | not meaning that it would be hard to implement | 23:53 |
| Dridk-sailfish | is there a store for dev apps? | 23:53 |
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| Turski | Dridk-sailfish: what you mean with dev apps? | 23:54 |
| Dridk-sailfish | i mean beta stage of apps | 23:54 |
| Turski | openrepos.net | 23:54 |
| Turski | but be careful with it | 23:55 |
| Dridk-sailfish | is there a client to install package? | 23:55 |
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| Turski | warehouse is the openrepos.net client | 23:56 |
| Turski | and ofcourse you can install single packages from commandline | 23:57 |
| Dridk-sailfish | ok. tks | 23:57 |
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