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| Trizt | Is the Myriads Alien Dalvik suffering of the bug found in Android pre 4.4 ? CVE-2013-7373 | 09:24 |
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| faenil | Trizt, there were a few CVE fixed in Upd4, see https://together.jolla.com/question/33507/release-notes-software-version-10420-ohijarvi/ | 09:36 |
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| faenil | yours doesn't seem to be one of them, that doesn't mean it's not fixed though, I just don't know :) | 09:37 |
| Morpog_PC | update 5 says: Fixes security vulnerabilities - Android Bugs 9695860,10148349 | 09:37 |
| SK_Work | and it is most likely related to Myriad support | 09:37 |
| SK_Work | does Myriad fixed this ? | 09:37 |
| Trizt | faenil: this was reported in today | 09:40 |
| faenil | oki | 09:40 |
| Morpog_PC | we,, then I guess it is suffering by it | 09:41 |
| Morpog_PC | well | 09:41 |
| Trizt | depends on how much myriad has modified things, but yes, should be most likly we are affected, but I do not have access to myriads bug system, so not 100% sure | 09:41 |
| SK_Work | Trizt: what's the severity ? | 09:42 |
| Trizt | Not rated by NIST yet | 09:42 |
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| dunp | ups | 10:48 |
| Wnt | Is it possible to copy the phone number of a contact that is synced to the phone from a Google account? | 10:48 |
| dunp | http://is13.snstatic.fi/binary/bin-1289388690645.pdf | 10:48 |
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| Wnt | I cannot get to the edit mode of the Google-synced contacts like described here: https://together.jolla.com/question/28798/request-copy-contact-detail-to-the-clipboard/ | 10:49 |
| Wnt | there doesn't even seem to be the possibility to delete or change the type of the phone numbers listed there | 10:51 |
| Wnt | but I can add new phone numbers and edit them in the same contact | 10:51 |
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| sledges | hey everyone, use this to spark more patience to your friends adopting sailfish ;) http://htmlpad.org/JollaLove/ | 13:29 |
| ggabriel | haha | 13:31 |
| ggabriel | i have to write a review in the user experience thread @ tmo | 13:31 |
| sledges | oh yeah! | 13:32 |
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| faenil | another impression I have with Update5 is that WiFi life is longer, 3G data life is shorter | 13:55 |
| faenil | I used to do 2days with 3g and medium use...now I end the first day with 20-30% | 13:55 |
| faenil | while I just did almost 4 days with mostly WiFi + some 3G | 13:56 |
| faenil | (low use) | 13:56 |
| faenil | usage* | 13:56 |
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| faenil | sletta, is there any performance improvement planned for update6? | 14:58 |
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| sletta | faenil: nothing big from my side at least. Anything in particular you are after? | 15:02 |
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| faenil | sletta, nothing particular, lags everywhere :/ | 15:06 |
| pp | 4g promised? | 15:07 |
| Acce | next update will bring the moon to earth | 15:08 |
| ggabriel | faenil: curious... where do you experience lags? | 15:08 |
| faenil | ggabriel, most visible example is homescreen | 15:08 |
| faenil | but also in most of the apps | 15:08 |
| ggabriel | you mean multitasking? | 15:08 |
| faenil | just try going to Store -> all apps | 15:08 |
| faenil | no, scrolling through the pages of apps | 15:09 |
| pp | 10:03 < Stskeeps> [21:48] <Stskeeps> echo "performance" >/sys/devices/platform/kgsl-3d0.0/kgsl/kgsl-3d0/pwrscale/trustzone/governor | 15:09 |
| faenil | that's clearly not 60fps | 15:09 |
| pp | is worth a try | 15:09 |
| sletta | faenil: have you enabled the performance governor? | 15:09 |
| faenil | pp, yes that's the only thing which we all know :) | 15:09 |
| ggabriel | faenil: yeah, i wouldn't say 60fps, but i wouldn't say lag either | 15:09 |
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| faenil | sletta, nope, I was looking for something else, I guess we all agree performance governon is the etrema ratio | 15:09 |
| sletta | the other thing that will help here is Qt 5.2 :) | 15:10 |
| faenil | ah right, that's in the works as well | 15:10 |
| sletta | yes, but since it was a fairly “big” minor release there are a few issues to iron out, but it is starting to shape up | 15:11 |
| faenil | yeah, I can *imagine* | 15:11 |
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| faenil | and I guess the move to 5.3 will be less painful | 15:11 |
| sletta | maybe... | 15:11 |
| sletta | :) | 15:11 |
| faenil | ggabriel, no, homescreen is just sluggish, if you go to Store -> All, it's laggy | 15:12 |
| faenil | it clearly lags while preloading apps icons | 15:13 |
| faenil | (while scrolling) | 15:13 |
| ggabriel | faenil: i have to say that it's pretty acceptable for my taste | 15:13 |
| ggabriel | but you know how "fast" is relative | 15:14 |
| ggabriel | i'm an old man ;-) | 15:14 |
| faenil | ggabriel, I'm smoothomaniac(TM) | 15:14 |
| * sletta too | 15:14 | |
| ggabriel | faenil: yeah, DEF not smooth | 15:14 |
| faenil | probably caused by too much FPS videogaming in past years :D | 15:14 |
| ggabriel | the problem is the only way that smoothness is achieved is by caching a screenshot | 15:15 |
| ggabriel | but i prefer to wait a few ns rather than deal with that hack | 15:15 |
| ggabriel | gaming is different tho | 15:15 |
| faenil | wait, are you talking about multitasking views? | 15:15 |
| faenil | that's not the issue | 15:15 |
| ggabriel | no, the store one | 15:15 |
| ggabriel | whe nit loads icons and so on | 15:16 |
| faenil | then you mean screenshot of the entire view on gpu | 15:16 |
| ggabriel | faenil: yeah, the apple way :) | 15:16 |
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| sletta | screenshotting is not the way… The scene graph renderer can cache stuff in vertex form which is much more flexible | 15:17 |
| faenil | eh, if only sailfish were as smooth as "older-than-iOS7" .. | 15:17 |
| ggabriel | sletta: not arguing for or against it | 15:17 |
| ggabriel | older-than-ios7 was ok most of the time | 15:18 |
| ggabriel | but complex things it lagged | 15:18 |
| ggabriel | anyway | 15:18 |
| ggabriel | i suppose it's fixable properly | 15:18 |
| ggabriel | by giving more priority to the renderer than the icon loader or whatever | 15:18 |
| faenil | only ok? at least what I saw on my friends' iphones is still unbeated today | 15:19 |
| ggabriel | faenil: well, i have an iphone 4 | 15:19 |
| faenil | (which makes me sad :( ) | 15:19 |
| ggabriel | with ios6, things are pretty bad in some places | 15:19 |
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| ggabriel | some IM applications for instance | 15:19 |
| ggabriel | web browsing is definitely not smooth | 15:19 |
| ggabriel | but they use the screenshot trick I read | 15:20 |
| faenil | web browsing not smooth? :/ | 15:20 |
| ggabriel | no | 15:20 |
| faenil | what happened... | 15:20 |
| ggabriel | faenil: you saw iphone 4 or iphone 4s? | 15:20 |
| ggabriel | (or 5/5s?) | 15:20 |
| faenil | no it was 4 | 15:20 |
| faenil | or 4s | 15:20 |
| faenil | but not 5 | 15:20 |
| ggabriel | there's a big diff between 4 and 4s speedwise | 15:20 |
| ggabriel | i was happy with ios4 | 15:21 |
| ggabriel | it was smooth and everything | 15:21 |
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| faenil | well that could be the one I saw | 15:21 |
| faenil | don't know which iOS it was | 15:21 |
| faenil | but it was so smooth and responsive :'( | 15:21 |
| faenil | haven't seen anything like that yet...got to admit | 15:22 |
| ggabriel | i bet if you actually use it for your needs you'll find lags | 15:22 |
| ggabriel | the email application | 15:22 |
| ggabriel | omg | 15:22 |
| faenil | sletta, do you have any update regarding the visual input lag instead? i.e. how fast the UI follows the finger, to be clear | 15:22 |
| ggabriel | that one's very bad | 15:22 |
| faenil | ggabriel, :) | 15:22 |
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| sletta | faenil: it is being worked on, but the UI needs to run at 60 for touch to be smooth too, so it kindof all fits together | 15:26 |
| sletta | There is also some work being done on the buffer sharing between the client and compositor which should result in improved latency for input as well | 15:27 |
| faenil | I see | 15:28 |
| faenil | sletta, is there any command to disable mtdev? | 15:28 |
| faenil | I wanted to test how it behaves without its smoothing algos :) | 15:29 |
| sletta | better :) | 15:29 |
| faenil | ehehe | 15:29 |
| faenil | is there any way to disable that stuff? | 15:30 |
| sletta | we use mtdev to feed input events into Qt in the compositor side, so you can start lipstick with a different input plugin, but evdev/mtdev is the only thing which is in the stack, atm | 15:30 |
| faenil | I see | 15:30 |
| sletta | you can compile your own of course | 15:31 |
| faenil | sure | 15:31 |
| faenil | and where does your "better" come from instead? :D | 15:31 |
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| sletta | faenil: I tried to patch mtdev to not do the fuzzing and that gave a more accurate touch sequence for certain finger speeds | 15:33 |
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| faenil | I see :) | 15:33 |
| faenil | sletta, I also think a simple change in ListView's maximumVelocity would make wonders | 15:34 |
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| faenil | it really feels a bit like it's not my finger which is controlling the UI atm | 15:35 |
| faenil | the accelerationg params are off, the max speed is way too low, the deceleration is off as well | 15:35 |
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| faenil | it doesn't help that you can't swipe left/right while the list is scrolling | 15:40 |
| faenil | that's a big drawback imho | 15:40 |
| faenil | i.e. I have to stop scrolling my conversation if I have to go back to conversations list | 15:40 |
| faenil | 1 (useless) extra tap | 15:41 |
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| faenil | the problem then is that all apps not using Silica's ListView would have different behaviour | 15:43 |
| Kiranos | no news about whats in the upcoming new update? | 15:44 |
| Kiranos | last time we got mms very early :) | 15:44 |
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| ggabriel | no may14 tag just yet :) | 15:46 |
| faenil | monthly updates cause addiction :D | 15:47 |
| ggabriel | they were going to skip summer tho | 15:48 |
| ggabriel | not sure what's summer | 15:48 |
| faenil | I guess july or august | 15:48 |
| ggabriel | technically 21st july -> 21st september in this hemisphere | 15:48 |
| faenil | yeah but wasn't it only 1 update that they're skipping? | 15:49 |
| ggabriel | my point exactly :) | 15:49 |
| faenil | so, I guess it's july or august | 15:49 |
| faenil | not sept :D | 15:49 |
| faenil | it's actually 21st June -> 21st sept btw :P | 15:49 |
| ggabriel | sorry, s/july/june/ | 15:50 |
| faenil | another thing, you can't go back in a page while the transition is ongoing | 15:51 |
| faenil | that's another annoying thing :D | 15:51 |
| javispedro | no july update??? I want my money back!! | 15:51 |
| ggabriel | faenil: i assume you have tjc's for all this? :) | 15:51 |
| javispedro | ( ;) ) | 15:51 |
| ggabriel | javispedro: you want it in bitcoins? :) | 15:51 |
| faenil | javispedro, right!?!?!?!! :D | 15:51 |
| faenil | ggabriel, I don't as they're too small | 15:51 |
| javispedro | :) | 15:52 |
| javispedro | hi btw | 15:52 |
| faenil | javispedro, hi :) | 15:52 |
| faenil | how you doing | 15:52 |
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| javispedro | completely alone in the uni since it seems there's some bank holidays coming in | 15:52 |
| faenil | ehehe | 15:53 |
| stephg | faenil: you seem to be very backwards today | 15:54 |
| ggabriel | stephg: o/ | 15:54 |
| stephg | \o | 15:55 |
| ggabriel | stephg: did you manage to set the email sync frequency in a more peak/non peak fashion in the end? | 15:55 |
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| faenil | stephg, what do you mean :) | 15:55 |
| stephg | eek no it dropped off my radar sorry ggabriel | 15:55 |
| ggabriel | stephg: boo, ok, i'll try to remember tonight while having a beer | 15:55 |
| ggabriel | (unless the beer makes me forget) | 15:56 |
| stephg | ^ probably my problem | 15:56 |
| stephg | faenil all of your lol are backwards | 15:56 |
| stephg | ^ that one was too, just to make you feel at home ;) | 15:56 |
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| * faenil googles "to be backwards" | 15:57 | |
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| stephg | no this is what I mean: | 15:58 |
| stephg | 12:50 <@faenil> ahah | 15:58 |
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| stephg | 16:53 < faenil> ehehe | 15:58 |
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| faenil | ohhh I see :D | 15:58 |
| stephg | maybe you have hiccups :) | 15:58 |
| javispedro | s/ohhh/hhho/ | 15:58 |
| faenil | XDDX | 15:59 |
| ggabriel | use lol, can't get it wrong | 15:59 |
| javispedro | are you by any chance suggesting that we reduce the ample repertory of human emotions to "lol"? | 15:59 |
| ggabriel | javispedro: for sure, we should implement newspeak | 16:00 |
| stephg | javispedro: I said nothing of the sort! | 16:00 |
| ggabriel | (big brother's language) | 16:00 |
| stephg | although on an unrelated note we are currently only talking in the office in terms of clickbait | 16:00 |
| stephg | you won't believe what faenil is saying on irc these days | 16:00 |
| stephg | *click* | 16:00 |
| * javispedro is not talking in the office today :) | 16:01 | |
| faenil | I have to agree talking while being alone is not fun | 16:02 |
| ggabriel | soliloquys are fun | 16:02 |
| ggabriel | unless somebody hears you | 16:02 |
| ggabriel | in which case it ceass to be such | 16:03 |
| javispedro | lecturing without students is also fun | 16:03 |
| ggabriel | ceases even | 16:03 |
| ggabriel | javispedro: you lecturer? | 16:03 |
| javispedro | TA a bit | 16:03 |
| ggabriel | sounds like long break | 16:03 |
| javispedro | yeah :) | 16:04 |
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| javispedro | meh, so tired of the bluez fiasco... | 16:25 |
| javispedro | have to ponder how's jolla managing it | 16:25 |
| javispedro | s/jolla/mer/ | 16:26 |
| Stskeeps | well, i expect our bluetooth guy will have totally grey hair next time i see him | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | (we're doing bluez5 work atm) | 16:27 |
| javispedro | tbh I'd just delay everything until everyone makes up its mind | 16:28 |
| javispedro | at least you guys are already using connman+ofono which seems to be the preferred combination | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, that we have going for us .. | 16:29 |
| Kiranos | what is this bluez fiasco? a link | 16:29 |
| javispedro | I totally expect that by the fedora21 timeframe you'll have to choose between installing ofono for HFP support OR modemmanager for DUN/PAN support | 16:29 |
| javispedro | OR rip everything and replace networkmanager with connman, but then you'll lose gnome-shell.. | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | so, you're saying there's an opportunity to conquer desktop linux in one sweep? | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:30 |
| javispedro | totally | 16:30 |
| javispedro | but actually it may be a good time to bring up connman vs nm for desktop usecase. | 16:31 |
| javispedro | if you enjoy long flamefests, that is. | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | add a bit of systemd.. | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:31 |
| javispedro | ah yeah, forgot about networkd. | 16:32 |
| javispedro | gray hair is an understatement. | 16:32 |
| javispedro | BALDNESS!!! | 16:32 |
| jukkar_ | javispedro: I am using https://github.com/connectivity/gnome-extension-connman works quite ok, would need some fixes and integration into gnome | 16:32 |
| javispedro | jukkar_, nice to know | 16:33 |
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| javispedro | i might actually consider moving to connman.. | 16:35 |
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| jukkar_ | javispedro: currently the progress of connman/ofono gnome ui is stalled, current code can be seen at https://github.com/abarsode?tab=activity | 16:35 |
| javispedro | (I use Mate so I'd personally prefer a standalone applet) | 16:35 |
| javispedro | https://github.com/abarsode/connman-gnome/tree/master/applet | 16:36 |
| jukkar_ | javispedro: correct place is https://github.com/connectivity/connman-gnome | 16:36 |
| Stskeeps | which reminds me, i need to try out connman as a PAN client, not server.. | 16:36 |
| javispedro | jukkar_, ty! | 16:37 |
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| Stskeeps | javispedro: out of curiousity, would you happen to know how much power a open PAN connection, but idle, takes? maybe from nxxx days | 16:37 |
| tbr | javispedro: hey, didn't you have some sort of code for the metawatch that would run on a jolla? | 16:37 |
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| Stskeeps | i don't have handy measurement equipment in my home office, so | 16:38 |
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| javispedro | tbr, I had this https://gitorious.org/gato/test-mw/ | 16:39 |
| tbr | thanks | 16:39 |
| javispedro | tbr, does nothing other than set the time, albeit it does it by Low Energy | 16:39 |
| tbr | *nod* | 16:39 |
| tbr | you mentioned that | 16:39 |
| javispedro | the Gato stuff (same project on gitorious) is required | 16:39 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: I have a fake battery and can easily fashion a measurement shunt to see power consumption on a scope | 16:40 |
| tbr | I'd just need a second device that then acts as a PAN client | 16:40 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps, no raw numbers, but it should be a "considerable" amount. with n900 settings there was a transmission every 3sec more or less | 16:40 |
| javispedro | can be tuned, though | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i'm pondering about totally idle for some research purposes.. | 16:40 |
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| Stskeeps | tbr: n8xx/n900 should do the trick maybe.. | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | or a laptop pc | 16:41 |
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| Stskeeps | just if it makes sense to teardown connection when idle, reconnect when there's data to be sent, etc.. | 16:41 |
| tbr | *nod* | 16:42 |
| javispedro | possibly yes | 16:42 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: well, BT-LE... | 16:42 |
| javispedro | timeout should be ~minutes | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | if you do PAN between two BT4.0 LE devices, it'll be spending less power, than if between two non-LE devices? | 16:42 |
| javispedro | well, at least that's what my intuition says... | 16:42 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: I'm interested to see the actual BT4.1 stuff that should allow for networking over LE | 16:42 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: no PAN is not LE | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | oki | 16:42 |
| javispedro | the keywords for non-LE are park and sniff | 16:43 |
| javispedro | in n900 I remember had to change via raw hci commands.. | 16:43 |
| javispedro | *non-LE idle power savings, I mean. | 16:43 |
| jukkar_ | 3.14 has preliminary support for BT-LE 6lowpan, no need to do any PAN | 16:44 |
| tbr | neat | 16:44 |
| tbr | should try that | 16:44 |
| javispedro | I have seen many vendors backporting most of bluetooth/* to 3.4 | 16:45 |
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| javispedro | just dropping this in here :) | 16:45 |
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| tbr | no surprise there :) | 16:45 |
| jukkar_ | I have used BT 6lowpan to connect two PC devices and run ssh over 6lowpan, it was quite slow but usable | 16:46 |
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| javispedro | yeah, thanks for remembering me of that :) | 16:47 |
| javispedro | (slowness) | 16:47 |
| javispedro | maybe it is better to look into that timeout idea :) | 16:47 |
| javispedro | btw | 16:47 |
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| javispedro | I do remember that most Android devices showed lots of latency when communicating with metawatch | 16:48 |
| javispedro | so I suspect that the power saving defaults these days in android are way more aggressive than Bluez/Maemo defaults | 16:48 |
| javispedro | (and by power saving settings I basically mean the sniff delay) | 16:50 |
| tbr | the delay doesn't seem to drop though in case there is communication, so it's either super aggressive or something that is constant | 16:51 |
| Stskeeps | jukkar_: nice | 16:52 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: if you and others are interested, we can probably do a bluetooth session in the community meeting at some point | 16:52 |
| javispedro | adaptative sniff scheduling :) -- http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=2213070 | 16:54 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: I can attend, but no idea if there's much interest | 16:55 |
| javispedro | plenty of work left to do if you'll be migrating to bluez5. qtbluetooth, etc. | 16:55 |
| tbr | and Qt hasn't even started work on the linux side of bt-le | 16:56 |
| javispedro | there's some work using gatttool | 16:56 |
| javispedro | that should work for central (aka "client"), more or less | 16:57 |
| tbr | last time I talked to digia they were like qt? bt-le? nooo that's just i-devices | 16:57 |
| javispedro | well I saw that on git at least. | 16:57 |
| tbr | good if there is something :) | 16:57 |
| javispedro | I'd be more worried about the d-bus changes and the loss of the old sdptool protocol | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: i hear there's bluez5 work ongoing in qt | 16:58 |
| tbr | their priority will be classic bluetooth though | 16:58 |
| javispedro | at this time I'd agree with them. | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | i do hope to figure out what's up with our LE at some point.. | 16:59 |
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| javispedro | as of today there's no d-bus api for le yet, so.. | 17:01 |
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| javispedro | and the new D-Bus API for services is slightly saner, but it's also way more different to the current QtBluetooth class tree | 17:04 |
| javispedro | so more grey hair | 17:05 |
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| javispedro | ie http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qbluetoothserviceinfo.html#registerService maps nicely to old sdp protocol, but in bluez5 d-bus API this function should create a new d-bus object and use it to listen for connections instead of raw sockets, etc. | 17:10 |
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| keithzg | oh oops, forgot that the Jolla reboots when a SIM is inserted | 19:14 |
| keithzg | (why is the N9 seemingly the only phone ever that could switch/pop SIMs on the fly?) | 19:14 |
| Quu | toggle airplane mode, no need for reboot. | 19:16 |
| keithzg | Huh, really? 'cause when I popped the SIM in it immediately rebooted. | 19:16 |
| keithzg | Not sure what I could've done differently. | 19:16 |
| Quu | that should not happen | 19:16 |
| Quu | probably pushed too hard on the something's and it rebooted | 19:17 |
| chem|st | keithzg: my jolla does not reboot when I pull or plug the sim... | 19:17 |
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| chem|st | it asks/tells to reboot but waiting a few seconds brings the pin-code screen up | 19:18 |
| keithzg | Hmm I dunno, I was being really careful with it down on a flat surface. But since it now doesn't even try to check for networks (goes "Oops, no networks found." immediately when manually searching again) perhaps it just really doesn't like my SIM ;) | 19:18 |
| keithzg | Although I swear I had it see networks before, when I first got it and put this SIM in just for kicks. | 19:19 |
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| keithzg | But fair enough, one way or another rebooting wasn't supposed to happen I take it. | 19:19 |
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| TemeV | i switch sim to my Jolla all the time. Never had to reboot bacause of that | 19:33 |
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| TemeV | as chem|st said, waiting a while makes the sim work | 19:34 |
| TemeV | and of course choosing the "reboot later" option when it asks for rebooting | 19:34 |
| flux | I had this problem of Jolla asking me pin code quite often | 19:38 |
| flux | no problem, just clean the sim-card and put it back again | 19:39 |
| flux | today it has asked maybe 5 times for the pin code | 19:39 |
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| tigeli | flux: do you also get "sim card was removed"-error? | 20:54 |
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| yac | What do youo have for foursquare? | 21:00 |
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| Yaniel | does the android app work? | 21:04 |
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| tigeli | Yaniel: iirc, it requires that you have google services framework installed | 21:06 |
| Yaniel | ship it | 21:07 |
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| flux | tigeli, rarely | 21:30 |
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| keithzg | http://www.theverge.com/2014/4/30/5666628/your-corporate-internet-nightmare-starts-now is pretty good IMHO. Although I imagine many folks on channels such as this will have already read it, heh. | 21:54 |
| Yaniel | yay for net neutrality | 21:55 |
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| Yaniel | may it get its well deserverd rest | 21:56 |
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| * keithzg imagines, decades from now, chanting in a secret illegal cult: "oh great Net Neutrality, which will someday return. For that is not dead which does eternal lie, and with strange aeons even death may die . . ." | 22:02 | |
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