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| ballock | how do I grep my SMS messages? | 08:36 |
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| Nicd- | I don't think they're in text files | 08:36 |
| ballock | (grepping -R ~ did not help) | 08:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ballock: indeed, there are in a db | 08:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ballock: one sec | 08:37 |
| ballock | sqlite? | 08:37 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and they are in a privileged thing | 08:37 |
| Nicd- | probably | 08:37 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | tracker store is a sqlite db | 08:37 |
| Yaniel | sqlite3 | 08:37 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | yep | 08:38 |
| ballock | so, which file is it? | 08:39 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | don't know | 08:39 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | searching for it | 08:39 |
| Yaniel | ~/.qmf/database/qmailstore.db? | 08:39 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | this is email | 08:40 |
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| Nicd- | hey, is this a known bug? if I get an email notification, the LED starts to blink. if I read the email with another device and Jolla syncs the read status, the notification is removed but the LED stays blinking | 08:58 |
| Nicd- | I'll try to reproduc | 08:58 |
| Nicd- | +e | 08:58 |
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| Hartzi | Nicd-: I have seen that too | 09:28 |
| Hartzi | sometimes the led doesn't stop blinking even if I open the email with Jolla. | 09:28 |
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| crazy_imp | are there some other teardown images around besides http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1402979&postcount=10 ? (i'm missing some from the rest of the frame / where the nfc antenna should be) | 10:08 |
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| ggabriel | those are the only ones i've seen... | 10:10 |
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| crazy_imp | also i would like to know if all of those antenna sockets are in use (and if not, what they are good for) :D | 10:14 |
| stephg | absolutely nothing! | 10:15 |
| stephg | er | 10:15 |
| crazy_imp | stephg: "they looked fancy, that's why they are on the board"? i don't believe you :P | 10:16 |
| Nicd- | stephg: hehehe | 10:16 |
| ggabriel | crazy_imp: i think pretty much everything is explained in that thread... | 10:18 |
| ggabriel | there are only a couple of connectors that are used in factory only | 10:18 |
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| ggabriel | you could ask the guy though in tmo tho ;-) | 10:19 |
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| crazy_imp | ggabriel: so they are testpoints for hf stuff? | 10:20 |
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| ggabriel | crazy_imp: can't remember... somebody from jolla responded in that thread iirc | 10:22 |
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| crazy_imp | ggabriel: then i'll find it later :) | 10:35 |
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| Nicd- | so, who's coming to the hack day tomorrow at tampere? :) | 10:49 |
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| jussi | Nicd-: I had planned on it, but looks like it wont happen this week :/ | 10:50 |
| jussi | when is the next helsinki one? | 10:50 |
| Nicd- | I don't know | 10:50 |
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| Ni-Cola | bye | 10:59 |
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| crazy_imp | ggabriel: nope, there's nothing in the thread about the connectors... it only derails into simcard issues | 11:51 |
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| ggabriel | crazy_imp: :( maybe it was somewhere else then | 11:53 |
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| Acce | hmm.. first random shutdown after update | 12:29 |
| jussi | Stskeeps: werent you following those? | 12:32 |
| jussi | ^^ | 12:32 |
| Acce | btw, what is this "Sailfish.Weather" lipstick tries to find? non-implemented integrated weather? | 12:32 |
| ggabriel | oh, no | 12:32 |
| ggabriel | i hope that's optional | 12:33 |
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| jussi | ggabriel: the random shutdowns or the weather thing? :P :P | 12:37 |
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| ggabriel | weather thing ofc | 12:38 |
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| Acce | "shutdown request received from pid 769: /usr/bin/mce" | 12:38 |
| Acce | is this how the shutdown normally goes? | 12:39 |
| ballock | like it shuts down when the weather's too bad? | 12:39 |
| jussi | ballock: or maybe too good... ie. its sunshine outside, stop playing with your phone and go out! | 12:39 |
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| jussi | :D | 12:40 |
| ballock | that'd be an interesting (read: controversial) feature | 12:40 |
| ballock | in the too bad case it's just to "protect the phone from damage" | 12:41 |
| jussi | heh | 12:41 |
| Acce | well.. "localhost DSME[578]: Normal shutdown".. | 12:43 |
| Acce | maybe the power button was pressed in my pocket? | 12:43 |
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| Acce | I don't see how that would happen though, since it's the single item in that pocket.. | 12:44 |
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| Nicd- | hmm, my home view shows 3G data connected but I have no actual connectivity | 12:47 |
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| Nicd- | unable to ping 8.8.8.8 | 12:48 |
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| Nicd- | this used to happen with my N900 too | 12:48 |
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| ggabriel | Nicd-: that sounds like a network problem tbh | 12:50 |
| Gorith | seems like random shutdowns are back | 12:51 |
| ggabriel | try to ping the gateway | 12:51 |
| ggabriel | it happened to me in the past | 12:51 |
| Nicd- | ggabriel: I just went to airport mode and back and now it works | 12:51 |
| Gorith | one shutdown on every morning after tuesday | 12:51 |
| Gorith | sleepy phone | 12:51 |
| ggabriel | Nicd-: k, hard to say if it's the phone... i used to fix my issues roughly like that | 12:51 |
| ggabriel | although sometimes it just wouldn't work until i went elsewhere | 12:51 |
| aranea | Hi. Is there any way to actually use the about: pages (eg about:config, about:addons) in the browser? They are showed when you open them, but its impossible to click anything, to scroll or to zoom... | 12:52 |
| Gorith | two times it just died and started only after I took battery off | 12:52 |
| aranea | Or is that a bug on my device? | 12:52 |
| Gorith | tomorrow phone just booted | 12:52 |
| Gorith | and batter level was 4% | 12:52 |
| Gorith | then I rebooted and it was 42% | 12:52 |
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| Nicd- | I haven't had random shutdowns since 1.0.4.20 | 12:53 |
| Gorith | worked fine couple of weeks with latest | 12:54 |
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| Gorith | and I haven't installed or haven't done any confguration either | 12:55 |
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| clau2 | I keep wondering if the shutdowns aren't caused by hw issues. | 13:01 |
| clau2 | I only had a few reboots back in December. | 13:02 |
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| clau2 | since then all updates were fine so far | 13:03 |
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| clau2 | I also think that some of the btrfs corruptions are caused by people incorrectly turnig the phone off, but I might be wrong | 13:04 |
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| Nicd- | how do people incorrectly turn the phone off? | 13:05 |
| clau2 | what happens if you keep the button pressed too long? | 13:05 |
| clau2 | do you get a forced hw shutdown? | 13:05 |
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| Nicd- | I don't know, I haven't kept it pressed | 13:05 |
| clau2 | I am not going to risk trying it tbh | 13:06 |
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| Nicd- | but to be honest I don't think a phone should break if I press the button too long or remove the battery | 13:06 |
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| clau2 | but, if you leave the button as soon as the led goes red, it shuts down correctly. | 13:06 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/interceptor-gsm-A5-1-A5-2_126383443.html - fun | 13:06 |
| clau2 | sometimes it takes more time tho, and the battery should nit be disconnected until the led goes off | 13:06 |
| clau2 | Nicd-: I agree, and I'm just offering an explanation. | 13:07 |
| clau2 | in any case, this should be in the guide. | 13:08 |
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| aranea | whoops, lost connection... Has anyone answered my question in the meantime? | 13:10 |
| spiiroin | Acce: mce makes the shutdown request on long power key press -> normal | 13:11 |
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| netzvieh | aranea: they worked in 1.0.3.8 i think (at least some of them) but they don't work with 1.0.4.20, that's a known issue | 13:37 |
| aranea | thanks netzvieh. Anything that could be done about it? | 13:38 |
| netzvieh | aranea: about:config settings are stored somewhere in the .mozilla/mozembed folder, in a text file i think, so you could change things there | 13:38 |
| netzvieh | aranea: otherwise I'm not sure if it's a mozembed bug or a sailfish bug, but for now, besides fixing the code, there's not much you can do I'm afraid | 13:39 |
| aranea | Ahh, they're in a text file? That explains why I didn't find them, I only inspected the sqlite DBs. | 13:40 |
| netzvieh | .mozilla/mozembed/prefs.js | 13:40 |
| netzvieh | but you have to find out yourself what to put in there | 13:40 |
| aranea | Thanks, that's great! | 13:40 |
| netzvieh | if everythings default, the file is empty apart from the header | 13:41 |
| aranea | That's not a problem, I'll just have a look at a proper firefox installatîon for reference | 13:42 |
| aranea | But apart from changing some preferences, I'd also like to set AdblockPlus up. Any way to do that from the shell? | 13:43 |
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| aranea | Any way, thanks for the help. I'll have a look at the Adblock issue later... | 13:48 |
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| gabriel9|work | update? | 13:56 |
| gabriel9|work | :D | 13:56 |
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| ggabriel | gabriel9|work: got a nexus 4? :P | 13:57 |
| gabriel9|work | nah, but i bought one for my gf | 13:59 |
| ggabriel | step 1: steal device | 13:59 |
| ggabriel | step 2: follow this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/jolla-sailfish/general/sailfish-android-devices-release-t2696409/post51417864 | 13:59 |
| ggabriel | that should keep you enterntained :P | 13:59 |
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| jussi | How are people using Elisa Viihde on Jolla? I mean actually watching it - not just what is offered by goviihde | 14:03 |
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| ggabriel | wat | 14:05 |
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| jussi | ggabriel: elisa viihde is a "save your tv show" service here in finland. | 14:07 |
| ggabriel | right :) | 14:07 |
| ggabriel | great mind things alike, i was just checking the bbc iplayer on the jolla :P (doesn't work fwiw) | 14:07 |
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| Acce | spiiroin: ok, thanks | 14:08 |
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| jussi | If there is a equivalent to VLC plugin for the browser, that should be enough... is there one of those that people know about ? | 14:10 |
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| clau2 | can I see somehow the time of a failed transfer in the transfers list? I used to have the time there. | 14:25 |
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| gabriel9|work | ggabriel: why did i buy jolla then | 15:15 |
| gabriel9|work | :D | 15:15 |
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| ggabriel | gabriel9|work: not sure, but everybody's excited with this nexus 4 thing | 15:17 |
| gabriel9|work | nice for them | 15:18 |
| ggabriel | the nexus 4 or 5 don't have reception at home so *shrug* | 15:18 |
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| ggabriel | otoh, it'd do for a nice dev device as it's cheap | 15:22 |
| ggabriel | but i refuse to give money to google so i'd just use the n9 :P | 15:23 |
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| ShadowJK | They're probably losing money on the hw | 15:31 |
| ggabriel | good | 15:31 |
| ggabriel | crash and burn | 15:31 |
| ShadowJK | If you end up not buying stuff from google play | 15:31 |
| ggabriel | altho nexus 4 and 5 are lg | 15:32 |
| ggabriel | which make crappy phones anyway | 15:32 |
| ShadowJK | .. why N5 goes for $300-$400 in google play devices countries and $600-$800 elsewhere :P | 15:32 |
| ggabriel | true | 15:32 |
| ggabriel | google even pulled a leonardo di caprio argument when oracle was suing | 15:33 |
| ggabriel | "but we lose money with each phone, we love making this" | 15:33 |
| ggabriel | leonardo di caprio in the aviator i should say, wasn't irl | 15:33 |
| suosaaski | I still et it costs less than 300e to manufacture a n5 | 15:34 |
| ggabriel | unsurprisingly | 15:34 |
| ggabriel | low quality + bad rf + cheap/popular soc | 15:34 |
| * ggabriel doesn't like phones that can't work as, well, phones :P | 15:35 | |
| suosaaski | It costs around 200 dollars to make an iphone, for example. If you forget the cost that goes in to development / software / etc. | 15:36 |
| ggabriel | it probably costs 400 usd | 15:36 |
| ggabriel | they just don't pay to 50% of the workforce ;) | 15:36 |
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| ggabriel | in fairness, iphones are always slower than other high end devices | 15:37 |
| ggabriel | but because the os runs smoothly | 15:37 |
| suosaaski | of course it is not that straight forward if you start counting all the services, salaries, buildings and whatnot. | 15:37 |
| ggabriel | my experience: n9 made in china 50e cheaper than n9 made in finland a few years ago | 15:38 |
| ggabriel | i paid the 50e extra | 15:38 |
| suosaaski | Just as is the case with Jolla (well, at least often stated), it is not the hardware specs that count, it's the end result. And the end results for an iphone usually put it at the top of performance charts at the time of launch. | 15:39 |
| ggabriel | yup | 15:39 |
| ggabriel | i tried a few website loads in jolla vs sony xperia sp (dual core 1.7ghz) | 15:39 |
| ggabriel | and the jolla is faster or equal | 15:39 |
| ggabriel | ofc engines are different etc | 15:39 |
| ggabriel | but there you go | 15:39 |
| ggabriel | as a final user, the jolla feels faster with slower hw | 15:40 |
| suosaaski | it is kinda funny, though, that an iphone with 1.3GHz dualcore beats a galaxy s4 with a 2GHz quadcore in many tests, or in average about equal in performance. | 15:41 |
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| ggabriel | yeah, well, tell me about it | 15:41 |
| ggabriel | i've had my first android phone (for business) for under a month and am already regretting it | 15:41 |
| suosaaski | Would be fun to see how Sailfish would perform on an iphone 5S (fully optimized, of course) | 15:42 |
| ggabriel | don't get me wrong, ios sucks, it's slow at times and the ui is clunky | 15:42 |
| ggabriel | but it's still better than android | 15:42 |
| ggabriel | suosaaski: too much effort imho | 15:42 |
| ggabriel | i'd rather see it in a nokia | 15:42 |
| suosaaski | ggabriel: of course too much effort, but would be fun to see. | 15:42 |
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| suosaaski | with the 64bit A7 crunching numbers. | 15:43 |
| ggabriel | i wouldn't know what to do with that button tho :) | 15:43 |
| ggabriel | ugh | 15:43 |
| ggabriel | 64bit is another wasted effort atm | 15:43 |
| ggabriel | on mobiles anyway | 15:43 |
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| suosaaski | I don't think it is. Better to have things ready when it is needed instead of ending up in a situation where you would need 64-bit and not having it in anything but the newest model, and that new model would be able to use it in like 3 apps. | 15:45 |
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| ggabriel | the main reason for 64bit is memory | 15:47 |
| ggabriel | i don't envision >4gb ram any time soon | 15:47 |
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| suosaaski | you might find this an interesting read http://www.anandtech.com/show/7335/the-iphone-5s-review/4 | 15:48 |
| ggabriel | not sure it's a movement that has to be initiated from orgs that make mobile os's | 15:48 |
| ggabriel | yeah, i had a skim through | 15:49 |
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| ggabriel | in the past | 15:49 |
| ggabriel | and i think all that should be implemented from a linux kernel perspective | 15:49 |
| ggabriel | not from an android/sailfish/tizen/mer perspective | 15:49 |
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| ggabriel | even more: we may have proper x86 mobile cpu's soon, and linux runs pretty well in 64bit there, even in the current kernel that sailfish uses | 15:50 |
| suosaaski | ggabriel: well, that quite clearly states the benefit of arm 64bit vs 32bit, even without 4+GB or RAM | 15:50 |
| ggabriel | suosaaski: well, yeah, i consider most of them minor things tbh | 15:50 |
| ggabriel | pure processor features | 15:50 |
| ggabriel | that need to be applied to kernel, compilers etc | 15:51 |
| ggabriel | too much work | 15:51 |
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| ggabriel | [for a mobile os org] | 15:51 |
| suosaaski | well, you really should check the 64-bit performance gains, at least. | 15:51 |
| ggabriel | are you talking from a purist perspective or end user? | 15:51 |
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| ggabriel | i mean, i now why 64bit performs better than 32bit | 15:52 |
| ggabriel | s/now/know/ | 15:52 |
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| ggabriel | suosaaski: I know what you're up to now! you want to mine bitcoins with your phone! :D | 15:52 |
| suosaaski | I am talking about simply the fact that it would be nice to see, how well sailfish would perform on iphone 5s hardware (not the pain of trying to make it happen) | 15:52 |
| ggabriel | yeah, agree there | 15:53 |
| ggabriel | my argument is this: 32 vs 64bit won't give you a significant step up in performance from a user perspective | 15:53 |
| ggabriel | in fairness, the only program i can say i noticed a little bit of difference was firefox | 15:53 |
| suosaaski | ggabriel: well, depends, some of those performance gain percentages on the anandtech site are quite significant. | 15:54 |
| ggabriel | you mean like aes - 825% increase? | 15:55 |
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| suosaaski | no, as that measurement was not for something that a user might notice | 15:55 |
| suosaaski | apart from better batterylife, perhaps. | 15:56 |
| suosaaski | ray trace might be if playing games (?), and that is quite a big improvement. | 15:57 |
| ggabriel | yeah, not familiar with those benchmarks | 15:57 |
| suosaaski | also those photo decompressions and stuff. | 15:57 |
| ggabriel | and yes, video related stuff, albeit that's generally the gpu's responsibility | 15:57 |
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| ggabriel | well, photo decompression, yeah, but how often do you do it? | 15:58 |
| ShadowJK | The only reason 64bit gives speed boost on x86 is that 64bit mode has more registers :) | 15:58 |
| ggabriel | and more importantly: how quickly do you get a photo? often the cpu is just waiting for it | 15:58 |
| suosaaski | But iPhone 5S has about twice the performance of an iPhone 5, both at the same clock speed, so there has to be some significant advances in architecture. | 15:58 |
| ggabriel | i haven't tried them myself, so i wouldn't know... i'll believe you for now ;) | 15:58 |
| suosaaski | (not all because of 64bit, of course) | 15:58 |
| ggabriel | ShadowJK: wasn't that for a different reason? (# of registers) | 15:59 |
| suosaaski | number of registers is mentioned in the anandtech article, too. | 15:59 |
| ggabriel | ShadowJK: also, isn't that the case in x86 mostly? :) | 15:59 |
| ggabriel | suosaaski: yeah, diff arch normally means you have diff registers | 16:00 |
| ggabriel | a bit of a pain | 16:00 |
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| suosaaski | and no, I am no hardware guy, so I might be off a bit, but I have been trying to read reviews and stuff, and twice the performance is actually there. | 16:00 |
| ggabriel | the only thing I challenge is whether that 100% jump is noticeable by the user | 16:00 |
| ShadowJK | There's quite a lot of performance difference between, say, a 64 bit pentium4, and a 64bit Haswell corei7 too :P | 16:01 |
| ggabriel | I can tell you my 4 core i5 is much much faster than a slower amd 2 core, but only when compressing raw images for instance | 16:01 |
| ggabriel | ShadowJK: well, one of the things about the pentium4 was the registry complexity/cooling req's/no turbo boost | 16:01 |
| ggabriel | one section of the die was getting hot always | 16:01 |
| ggabriel | then they added more registers and removed the dynamic ones and all is well, or better at least | 16:02 |
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| suosaaski | ggabriel: and yes, that 100% gain might not be noticeable at some places, and not 100% in every situation. | 16:03 |
| ggabriel | i say io is always the killer :) | 16:03 |
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| suosaaski | http://www.anandtech.com/show/7335/the-iphone-5s-review/5 there are some more usual benchmarks, and comparisons to the usual devices. | 16:04 |
| ggabriel | not a single nokia there | 16:05 |
| ggabriel | what's happened with the world? :) | 16:05 |
| suosaaski | and gpu performance: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7335/the-iphone-5s-review/7 | 16:05 |
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| ShadowJK | ggabriel; well, the benchmarks dont run on them :) | 18:33 |
| ShadowJK | I agree, IO is biig bottleneck | 18:34 |
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| aranea | Hi. Is there any way to change the start page of the Sailfish Browser? I already tried setting it in .mozilla/mozembed/prefs.js, but that didn't work, the browser still uses jolla.com as start page (which is ~1MB in size and therefore uses up quite a bit of the maximum transfer volume for mobile internet which most contracts have) | 19:19 |
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| ottulo | aranea: I added about:blank as a favourite and always open that before closing the browser | 19:23 |
| ottulo | that way it always loads up about:blank at first, since that was open | 19:24 |
| aranea | ottulo: Yes, that has also been my workaround so far. I was jsut thinking if that could be done more elegantly... | 19:27 |
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| ottulo | aranea: I do hope there is a way or one will be made, but I haven't gone through the trouble to look into it too much | 19:28 |
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| aranea | okay, thanks | 19:30 |
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| aranea | hmm, looks like they don't use the homepage setting | 19:33 |
| aranea | jolla.com is hardcoded at two places in the source code | 19:34 |
| aranea | err, at one place, the other's a unit test | 19:35 |
| aranea | so, apart from patching & recompiling, there's currently no possibility... | 19:36 |
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| Pnuu | post it to together.jolla.com | 19:37 |
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| tronicum | hi there | 21:37 |
| Waitee | hi | 21:37 |
| tronicum | i read some rumors about the samsung images | 21:37 |
| tronicum | can somebody explain for what devices images exist? | 21:37 |
| tronicum | i would try to get one to run sailfish os on it | 21:38 |
| Waitee | nexus 4 i heard | 21:38 |
| tronicum | s3 too, maybe also s5 | 21:38 |
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| ln- | what about K9 Thunder: http://www.samsungtechwin.com/product/product_05_01_01.asp | 21:39 |
| tronicum | i plan to organise a jolla convention in berlin btw | 21:39 |
| tronicum | ln-: sounds great for a joll plattform | 21:39 |
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| cvp | s3 LTE, but think it will wworks on s3 standard too | 21:43 |
| tronicum | well one day the vanilla sailfish for the jolla phone will enable lte too | 21:44 |
| tronicum | hope they will make those images downloadable soon | 21:45 |
| cvp | hope there will invest more time for jolla phone and not porting sailfish to other device ;) | 21:45 |
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| tronicum | yeah browser and email need some improvements | 21:50 |
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| virtuald | would it be impossible to make a mobile device without funding companies that also produce killing machines, or the use them? | 21:52 |
| cvp | if i receive newsletter from o2 (html) i get ony one line with crypted infomation :( | 21:52 |
| cvp | (email) | 21:52 |
| tronicum | took me days to find out how to get out of html emails | 21:55 |
| tronicum | did not figure out how to copy & paste yet ;| | 21:56 |
| tronicum | works great in alien-dalvik though | 21:56 |
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| M4rtinK | cvp: +1 on supporting the Jolla phone | 21:59 |
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| cvp | its true M4rtinK ;) | 21:59 |
| M4rtinK | I don't mind Sailfish running on everything, but the only compatible phone I have is the Jolla anyway | 22:00 |
| M4rtinK | and it is also the only "full" Sailfish device anyway (TOH interface, etc.) | 22:00 |
| cvp | there is so many to do | 22:00 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, and also platforms stuff | 22:00 |
| M4rtinK | like proper Qt 5.2+ | 22:01 |
| M4rtinK | and more harbor able libraries so that people can publish non-trivial applications to the official Jolla store | 22:02 |
| Acce | yes, we still lack a fart application though :( | 22:02 |
| Waitee | oh man | 22:03 |
| Waitee | why hasnt anyone done it already? | 22:03 |
| M4rtinK | IIRC, there are some issues with the QtQuick Audio element :) | 22:04 |
| M4rtinK | on the other hand, none of them should be a show-stopper for this use-case | 22:04 |
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| tronicum | would anyone come to berlin for a jollacon event i would organize in october? | 22:26 |
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| Waitee | if i could afford it, why not | 22:52 |
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